Disney Adventure

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Bigger ships have more exit points. I'm sure its designed to get people on and off efficiently.

We like DCL but they are consistently the worst for disembarkation day experience and embarkation isn’t amazing either. I assume you are correct that they will have more exit points, but it would still require more labor (crew time) to get everyone off and on and screened for security at each port.

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

I get that those traveling from afar are not going to be the "bread and butter" but I think in addition to losing American customers with these itineraries, they also completely lose Europeans, and even closer to Singapore, I think they largely lose Chinese and Japanese cruisers.

I've been on the MSC Bellissima out of Taipei, and our two port stops in the Okinawa Prefecture seemed very popular, with a high proportion of passengers seemingly taking MSC excursions. Even with a cruise that largely catered to passengers from nearby countries, for whom language wasn't a high barrier, for whom there wasn't a high cultural barrier... I still saw tons of passengers with booked excursions, telling me that many travelers there still liked the comfort and ease that a cruise excursion provided.

You probably wouldn't be able to tell those passengers, hey, come visit Singapore, take a cruise, and then if you actually want to get out and about in the region, take a short regional flight, figure out transportation in a new strange town, change your currency, find a hotel, etc. Basically, the people that are already opting in to cruises are doing so because they feel this is one of the best ways to see the world, via a floating hotel that takes you to your next destination. You can't convince these people to prioritize a cruise to nowhere, because then they'll never see more than the port city. China, Korea, and Japan have rapidly aging populations. These cruise passengers still want to see the world, but they prefer a cruise ship for the ease of travel. I think Disney is going to take a big ol' swing and a miss on this demographic.

So Disney is going to lose some percent of Americans, Europeans, as well as mobility-limited Chinese, Korean, and Japanese customers. That starts to become a lot of segments that they're not going to appeal to IMO.

I wouldn't be surprised if they change their itinerary strategy pretty.

There are a few other facts to take into account:

1) Disney signed an exclusive deal with Singapore and the Singapore Tourism Board (STB) for five years home based out of Singapore with shorter cruises (specifically short so Disney couldn't visit Hong Kong). This was considered to be a black eye to Hong Kong who wanted a deal of their own, but the competition between the two is fierce and well known. Exclusivity is the battle field. I don't see Disney changing their itinerary soon.
2) It's being marketed as a Disney Adventure (pun sort of intended) for those that want the Disney theme park experience but don't want to go to Hong Kong (see above). It is the ONLY Disney ship that has such rides as a roller coaster, Marvel Landing, Pym Quantum Racers, and Groot Galaxy Spin. It will be the only Disney experience in town. It will do well.
3) Continuing in the Disney Theme Park at Sea concept it has Disney themed resteraunts, themed restaurants including Enchanted Summer Restaurant, Maximus, Olaf, and Pixar Market Restaurant.
4) Most Singapore cruises that include other stops are much longer, some a week, a lot are 11 and 12 days. Disney rarely does much longer. They know their audience and market and gear towards families, not retirees.
5) It is one ship. I don't think they are worried about losing a few percentages from groups that this isn't marketed to to begin with.
6) I disagree regarding Americans, anyone that was going to Singapore to cruise to other islands was never going to choose Disney anyway. Those Americans that like to cruise Disney for Disney and work to try all the boats, are going to go regardless.

 

[peder]

twst

It is the ONLY Disney ship that has such rides as a roller coaster, Marvel Landing, Pym Quantum Racers, and Groot Galaxy Spin.

Nobody going to book this just for Pym’s ride. This isn’t some feat of Imagineering, it’s a cheap ride for a cruise ship that won’t be close to the level of anything at Hong Kong Disney. One and done.

And it’s not fair to say this is “one ship”. It’s a *massive* ship. It’s nearly like launching 2 Wish-size ships and this is before Triton 3 and 4 are launched as well as the Triton+ ships. Massive increase in inventory.

They ultimately will need more than a cruise to nowhere unless Singapore foots the bill indefinitely.

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

twst

Nobody going to book this just for Pym’s ride. This isn’t some feat of Imagineering, it’s a cheap ride for a cruise ship that won’t be close to the level of anything at Hong Kong Disney. One and done.

And it’s not fair to say this is “one ship”. It’s a *massive* ship. It’s nearly like launching 2 Wish-size ships and this is before Triton 3 and 4 are launched as well as the Triton+ ships. Massive increase in inventory.

They ultimately will need more than a cruise to nowhere unless Singapore foots the bill indefinitely.

Define ‘ultimately.’ Because of course Disney ‘ultimately’ plans to expand, but if you mean less than 3 years, then we disagree. And, of course it’s fair to say it’s one ship because IT IS ONE SHIP. By definition, that’s called factual versus speculation. Btw, yes it’s big, but Disney got it cheap, combine that with the deal Disney made with Singapore the profit margins Disney will make on this almost guarantee Disney isn’t going to give YOU what YOU want, which apparently is a longer cruise with multiple destinations, but is going to optimize exposure in the new market to the Disney experience.

 

[AquaDame]

They ultimately will need more than a cruise to nowhere unless Singapore foots the bill indefinitely.

Supposedly the agreement for short cruises to nowhere is only for five years; I don't think many are arguing they will never change their itineraries, just that it will be awhile and by then the "new! must be first!" will have worn off.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Are there any ships anywhere close to the Adventure’s size that routinely do long itineraries? My guess is that they aren’t designed to be. I assume they occasionally do a repositioning sailing, but do they do more than 7 night itineraries aside from that?

 

[jwalk03]

Are there any ships anywhere close to the Adventure’s size that routinely do long itineraries? My guess is that they aren’t designed to be. I assume they occasionally do a repositioning sailing, but do they do more than 7 night itineraries aside from that?

Royal has the 7 largest cruise ships in the world and the majority of them do 6/7/8 night cruises. Utopia of the Seas being the exception since it only does 3 & 4 night ones.

The only other ship currently operating that is bigger than Adventure is MSC World Europa and its doing mainly 7-nights in the Mediterranean with some shorter ones mixed in as well

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[asgur5]

Short cruises are just more profitable than longer cruises. Hopefully as the fleet continues to grow they do add some more variety- but Disney’s bread and butter is always going to be 3/4/5 night Bahamas. That’s where they make the most $$$

Only if you can fill them

 

[Agent 86]

Does anyone have any tips for selecting rooms, perhaps based on their experience sailing on similarly large ships?

We're considering booking an interior stateroom (Category 10B, 10C or 10D), but I'm at a bit of a loss about where to start in choosing a good deck and location. I'm somewhat randomly considering 12752, 12738, 12766 or 12763? There is an "open / unmarked" space in that general area, which I'm concerned could house something noisy, but who knows?

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Does anyone have any tips for selecting rooms, perhaps based on their experience sailing on similarly large ships?

We're considering booking an interior stateroom (Category 10B, 10C or 10D), but I'm at a bit of a loss about where to start in choosing a good deck and location. I'm somewhat randomly considering 12752, 12738, 12766 or 12763? There is an "open / unmarked" space in that general area, which I'm concerned could house something noisy, but who knows?

In general, I prefer to be wedged between two decks of state rooms so you’re not hearing a lot of noise during sleeping hours. Being under the pool and buffet are usually the worst options. On that I think it does make sense to avoid on marked spaces in the early days before people report back what they’re used for and how much noise/traffic they generate. If you have never sailed before, I’d try for midship for minimal motion.

Finally, my Disney specific advice is try to be closer to the decks you think you will use often, especially the dining decks (pre dinner as post dinner have huge waits for elevators). Disney cruises often have a lot of people with strollers or scooter and the bigger ships do not have enough elevators so they get very crowded at peak times. We used to like to be close to the kids club so we could take the stairs to drop kids off and pick them up— one of the only places we generally go 4x a day.

 

[Agent 86]

In general, I prefer to be wedged between two decks of state rooms so you’re not hearing a lot of noise during sleeping hours. Being under the pool and buffet are usually the worst options. On that I think it does make sense to avoid on marked spaces in the early days before people report back what they’re used for and how much noise/traffic they generate. If you have never sailed before, I’d try for midship for minimal motion.

Finally, my Disney specific advice is try to be closer to the decks you think you will use often, especially the dining decks (pre dinner as post dinner have huge waits for elevators). Disney cruises often have a lot of people with strollers or scooter and the bigger ships do not have enough elevators so they get very crowded at peak times. We used to like to be close to the kids club so we could take the stairs to drop kids off and pick them up— one of the only places we generally go 4x a day.

Thanks! Yes, we chose level 11 to be between staterooms on 10 and 12. And we went closest to midship as our budget allowed.

I couldn't find any deck plans which indicated what all the large expanses of "grey" were, so I have no idea where the restaurants, kids club, etc are in relation to our room.

Heck, I still don't know what's actually included. I couldn't find any information about whether the three "theme park" rides, the Big Hero 6 experience, etc are an extra cost or included.

The reviews in December 2025 will be enlightening!

 

[scroogie]

I couldn't find any deck plans which indicated what all the large expanses of "grey" were, so I have no idea where the restaurants, kids club, etc are in relation to our room.

Heck, I still don't know what's actually included. I couldn't find any information about whether the three "theme park" rides, the Big Hero 6 experience, etc are an extra cost or included.

Don't worry, we're all in the dark on this! Disney hasn't disclosed any of this information. The most we know is what most of the dining options will be, but not where they will be.