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So, Disney is taking a bath to keep you as a subscriber. Lol.
Yes, they really are.... I don't think I mentioned, the small amount I pay per month for Hulu & Disney+ is reimbursed through an Amex Platinum Card Credit - which is strongly suspected to be subsidized by Disney....

These streamers will eventually have to charge more, and when that happens, no way will I keep them all!
 
Advertising will pay for it. LOTS of advertising. Anyone ever take note of how often ads pop up on YouTube videos? Every 5 minutes or so.
 
As individual prices escalate, the Live Bundle will likely become good value proposition.
That is a good point that will probably happen sooner than later - especially if all the legacy streamers throw in their streaming subscription for free or near free (like in the good old days, when Hulu with ads was free if you had a cable sign on). So the new value proposition will be - sign up for a cable or streaming live TV package and, in addition to all the usual basic channels, get Hulu, D+, ESPN+, Peacock, Paramount +, AMC+, Max (if you have HBO), etc, and a cloud DVR, for one low price. At least that price will seem low after the streamers are done raising prices to get to a profit.

The more we dig into this the more it looks like we will come full circle...meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
 
Simplifying the Disney Genie+ experience: We have heard from guests that they would like ways to plan with Disney Genie+ service and individual Lightning Lane selections before the day of their park visit, and we want you to know we are working on ways guests may do this for visits in 2024. Our goal is to give you the opportunity to spend less time planning in the park and more time enjoying your visit with friends and family. While we are not yet able to share specific details, we look forward to sharing more information at a later date.

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...vation-updates-and-more-at-walt-disney-world/

Here's the survey in the Disney Dish show notes:

https://disneydish.bandcamp.com/tra...disney-world-reportedly-considering-for-genie
Thanks. I do remember that note from Disney but didn't read it as making really big changes to it. If it is more what Disney Dish is thinking, that would help greatly. Of course, junking the whole thing and going pack to FP would win many hearts...just blame it on the other Bob.
 
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Thanks. I do remember that note from Disney but didn't read it as making really big changes to it. If it is more what Disney Dish is thinking, that would help greatly. Of course, junking the whole thing and going pack to FP would win many hearts...just blame on the other Bob.

Makes too much $$$.

Chapek and other Disney management was wanting to charge for FastPass all the way back in early 2019.

https://wdwnt.com/2019/02/disney-le...galaxys-edge-at-disneyland-walt-disney-world/
 
The Disney Dish pod (Len Testa and Jim Hill) brought it up on their podcast a week or 2 ago. I guess there have been some Disney survey's out asking about pre-planning Lightning Lane attractions similar to the old Fast Pass+.

It pretty much sounds exactly like pre-Covid except you pay for the 3 LL's per day and they will bring back having A, B, C tiers for attractions at each park. Even questions about paying for more than 3.
Let's just go back to ticket books and have done with it!
 
Production costs have already occurred. It may delay some marketing costs, but the bulk of the costs have already occurred for those films.

Yea was kinda kidding (kinda) but at least they wont have to actually announce the losses for a while.

Plus they won't have to "start" investing in any new losses for a while.
 
https://seekingalpha.com/news/39905...ntic-equities-downgrades-on-tv-disney-worries

Disney falls as Atlantic Equities downgrades on TV, Disney+ worries
Jul. 25, 2023 8:55 AM EDThttps://seekingalpha.com/symbol/DIS...on_asset:meta|first_level_url:news|symbol:DIS
By: Chris Ciaccia, SA News Editor

Walt Disney (NYSE:DIS) shares fell more than 1% in pre-market trading on Tuesday as investment firm Atlantic Equities downgraded the media giant on worries over linear TV advertising and direct-to-consumer subscriber growth.

Analyst Hamilton Faber, who cut his rating on Walt Disney (DIS) shares to underweight from neutral and cut his per-share price target to $76 from $113, said it's possible that advertising pricing coming out of the current upfront could fall as much as 5%.

"With linear TV ratings continuing to decline fast across general entertainment, and without the usual price gains that have been seen over the past 15 years, it is clear advertising is set to fall far faster than we have seen previously," Faber wrote in an investor note.

Most "quality" scripted productions are now on streaming platforms, leaving linear TV with unscripted content, though the "relatively resilient" pricing for sports should help temper declines, Faber added.

In addition, Disney's (DIS) key franchises - Marvel, Star Wars and Pixar - have been "disappointing" when looking at critics and audience scores, box office performance and TV series ratings data.

Concerning Marvel, Faber said early indications are not "encouraging" that the company can build to another Avengers climax, similar to 2019's Avengers: Endgame. Both Star Wars and Marvel are seeing declining viewing and critics scores (pointing to the Rotten Tomatoes score for Secret Invasion).

He added that Pixar's critical reviews have held up better, but consumers are now trained to wait six months to see the movies on Disney+, as evidenced by the last three global box office performances - Turning Red, Lightyear and Elemental - which have been among the lowest for the studio.

Faber also lowered expectations for Disney+ subscriber growth (to 4M, down from 8 to 10M) and now expects the service to reach break-even in 2026, longer than the 2024 the company has stated publicly.

Analysts are largely bullish on Walt Disney (DIS). It has a BUY rating from Seeking Alpha authors, while Wall Street analysts rate it a BUY. Conversely, Seeking Alpha's quant system, which consistently beats the market, rates DIS a HOLD.
 
Disney people honestly don't understand Apple or Amazon at all. They're in a completely different boat than Disney and Netflix.


“We don’t make purely financial decisions about the content [on Apple TV Plus]. We try to find great content that has a reason for being,” he said on Apple’s quarterly earnings call Thursday. Cook was responding to an analyst’s question about whether the service’s “socially responsible” programming lens might be causing Apple to be hesitant about acquiring a studio."

“Each one is a tremendous credit to all the storytellers in front of the cameras and behind them who touched audiences all over the world,” Cook said.

https://variety.com/2022/digital/ne...-financial-decisions-ceo-tim-cook-1235165656/

Translation: Apple could give a crap if Apple TV+ ever turns a profit separately. The company has one P&L. Apple TV+ exists solely to sell more iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple TV and AirPod devices.

Disney wishes it was in that position.
 
Advertising will pay for it. LOTS of advertising. Anyone ever take note of how often ads pop up on YouTube videos? Every 5 minutes or so.
FY22 averages (based on estimated average subscribers of 207.5million):

Advertising revenue per user per month: $1.50/sub
Subscription Revenue per user per month: $6.14/sub
SVOD revenue per user per month: $0.21/sub
Total: $7.85/sub

Avg total cost per user per month: $9.47/mo

Loss per DTC subscriber per month: -$1.62/mo
 
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Production costs have already occurred. It may delay some marketing costs, but the bulk of the costs have already occurred for those films.
Please understand I'm saying this as a recovering bean counter who also does not have any actual experience in accounting for movie costs. With that caveat, wouldn't the productions costs have been deferred until the release of the movie? It would seem to make good sense that the expense gets matched with the revenue generated by the movie.

For example, a movie goes into pre-production in year one, then actually begins shooting in year 2, but the movie itself doesn't get released until year 4 because of post production and marketing considerations. Would the costs hit the bottom line in years 1 and 2? Or would they be accumulated and then hit the bottom line in year 4?
 
Please understand I'm saying this as a recovering bean counter who also does not have any actual experience in accounting for movie costs. With that caveat, wouldn't the productions costs have been deferred until the release of the movie? It would seem to make good sense that the expense gets matched with the revenue generated by the movie.

For example, a movie goes into pre-production in year one, then actually begins shooting in year 2, but the movie itself doesn't get released until year 4 because of post production and marketing considerations. Would the costs hit the bottom line in years 1 and 2? Or would they be accumulated and then hit the bottom line in year 4?

I don't know how movie accounting works either, but costs still occurred. The studio space was rented. The contractors (set design, props, etc) were already paid once their jobs were done. The craft services people were paid. There's no way these people just wait around until a film releases to get paid. They wouldn't survive. If you are in a profit-sharing role (actors, writers, etc.), you wouldn't receive that portion until all costs (including marketing and distribution costs) are settled.

Here's an article about it:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/19/busi...he most basic version,, set design, props etc.
 
I don't know how movie accounting works either, but costs still occurred. The studio space was rented. The contractors (set design, props, etc) were already paid once their jobs were done. The craft services people were paid. There's no way these people just wait around until a film releases to get paid.
Yes, I understand the costs were incurred. And I don't expect people to wait two years to get paid. I'm looking at when these costs hit the company's bottom line.
 
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/unpacking-bob-igers-bad-pr-week-1235544279/

Unpacking Bob Iger’s Terrible, Horrible, No Good PR Week

Many in Hollywood hoped the re-upped Disney CEO, long considered the corporate leader most in tune with talent, would emerge as a levelheaded mediator who could end the labor impasse. And then he spoke his mind.
July 25, 2023 6:30am EDT
by Kim Masters

Why did he do it?

That’s the question many in Hollywood have asked in the wake of Bob Iger’s now-infamous July 13 interview with CNBC in bucolic Sun Valley.

What possessed Iger to pick such a place and time to express his “disappointment” with the demands of the striking talent guilds? Not only was he at the gathering known as “billionaires’ camp,” but just the day before, Disney announced that his contract was being extended to 2026, meaning his estimated net worth ($690 million in 2019, according to Forbes) was going to go up millions.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...ists-sag-aftra-set-to-meet-strike-1235544170/
A question about the strike was completely predictable, and so easy to deflect: “I won’t discuss an ongoing labor dispute, but I hope we reach a fair settlement soon and get back to making top-notch entertainment.” Something like that.

Instead Iger expressed frustration that the guilds were not, in his view, grasping the problems facing the industry. “There’s a level of expectation that they have that is just not realistic,” he said. “And they are adding to the set of the challenges that this business is already facing that is, quite frankly, very disruptive.”

It’s possible Iger believed he could play the role of an affectionate, well-regarded paterfamilias whose words might chasten the guilds. “Bob no doubt thought through when to speak and what to say,” says a Disney veteran. “Maybe he felt he had to put it out there.” Yet this person concedes that Iger wound up choosing a poor backdrop.
A few days later, SAG-AFTRA’s Fran Drescher struck back using the kind of disparaging language that Iger can hardly have heard before. “There he is sitting in his designer clothes, just got off his private jet at the billionaires’ camp, telling us we’re unrealistic,” she said. “How do you deal with someone like that who’s so tone-deaf? Are you an ignoramus?”

By then, the waters had already gotten rough for Iger, who acknowledged in the CNBC interview that the many challenges facing Disney were greater than he had anticipated when he returned as CEO in November. Says a longtime associate: “He has never felt this level of stress in his career.”

Even before Iger sat down in front of the cameras, there was a wave of negative press the likes of which he has never faced before. The day his contract extension was announced, positioning him to bask in the congratulations of the billionaire campers, the Wall Street Journal ran an article that not only highlighted the daunting troubles that Disney faces but stated ominously that Iger’s “grace period” with investors was “clearly over.” Just eight months into Iger’s second tenure, that must have seemed like a very unwelcome dose of Wall Street impatience.

By then, Iger had to also be aware of a longer piece coming in the Journal the next day. Noting that the Disney CEO was “straining to put out fire after fire,” the piece said Iger privately blamed Bob Chapek for some of the company’s problems. But the article traced some of Disney’s biggest challenges to “decisions Iger made during his first stint in the top job, from 2005 to early 2020, including the 2019 acquisition of Fox entertainment assets and his decision to enter an arms race over streaming.” Now Iger’s hero phase was being re-examined in the paper that literally has Wall Street in its name.

And it didn’t stop there. The article used the phrase “tone deaf” in reference to Iger a full four days before Drescher got there. It mentioned that Iger had been criticized in some quarters for showing up at the Met Gala and courtside at NBA games while Disney was slashing staff by the thousands. The report even noted the Marie Antoinette detail that he had been showing off a model of the new, bigger yacht that he has in the works.

No one would like this kind of coverage. Given Iger’s thin skin, he might be the person who would like it least. One source who knows Iger well saw his comments about the guilds in the CNBC interview as “angry and self-pitying.”

Iger built Disney into greatness in large part through a series of acquisitions: Pixar, Marvel, Lucasfilm and Fox (which may have been a bridge too far). Now he has had to put a possibly-for-sale sign on certain Disney assets, including ABC, the place that launched his career. Then he had to scramble to explain to the people who work in those divisions that he really values their contributions. (CNN reported on Iger’s awkward attempt at making amends at a July 18 offsite meeting.)

“These are raw, highly emotional times,” says a longtime Iger associate. “He has just laid off 7,000 people. He’s not a cold, callous, cruel guy. That’s hard. He’s gotten forced by [dissident shareholders] Nelson Peltz and Ike Perlmutter to do this deep-cleaning of people. He’s been forced to cut content. None of these things is fun.”

Acknowledging recent missteps, this person isn’t ready to declare Iger, the sequel, hopelessly off track. “Never underestimate Bob Iger,” he says. “He could still have a transformational move. Bob is a master. While some may wonder if he’s lost a step, others may think he’s six moves ahead.”
 
Yes, I understand the costs were incurred. And I don't expect people to wait two years to get paid. I'm looking at when these costs hit the company's bottom line.
I'm not an accountant, don't play one on TV, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn.

But I do know personal finance quite intimately as I have practiced it on a daily basis for fifty years. It is the vehicle that has allowed us the means to travel extensively and go to DLR/DCA and WDW when we want to.

When you spend money, (expenses) it is gone. Book it and account for it AT THE TIME IT IS INCURRED, EVERY TIME!! It ain't never coming back. You need to record the transaction so as to forecast how much income (revenue) to cover the expense and to tell you if you are spending more than you have coming in. It's that simple.

If you lie to yourself - or your stockholders - it WILL catch up to you every time.
 
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/espn-considers-adding-sports-leagues-023325057.html

ESPN considers adding sports leagues as partners as it transitions from cable to digital
JOE REEDY
Tue, July 25, 2023 at 9:33 PM CDT

SANTA MONICA, Calif. (AP) — ESPN chairman Jimmy Pitaro said the network could take on a sports league as a minority partner as the network continues its transition from a cable channel to a digital company.

“I will emphasize that we believe there are parties out there that can help us on the content side. So you can draw whatever conclusions you want from that,” Pitaro said Tuesday during a seminar sponsored by CNBC and Boardroom, a sports media company founded by Kevin Durant.

Pitaro declined to say which leagues have been in talks with him and Walt Disney Co. CEO Bob Iger, but he said there has “been a healthy level of interest” from leagues as well as technology, marketing and distribution companies.
Pitaro also said it is not a question of if but when ESPN will roll out a direct-to-consumer product to view its offerings.

A league having an equity stake in a network like ESPN would be groundbreaking and would pose some questions about fairness and objectivity in coverage. It would mark another step in sports’ relationship with its broadcast partners.

Some teams have equity stakes in regional sports networks, while all four major U.S. professional leagues have their own channels.

Some have also wondered about ESPN’s future within the framework of Disney, which Pitaro tried to address by saying, “Bob (Iger) has been clear about the power of live sports and power of the ESPN brand, how important it is to the future of the Walt Disney Company.”

With cable audiences continuing to shrink, a direct-to-consumer option would help recoup some financial losses. According to its most recent filing, ESPN has 72.5 million cable subscribers and 25.3 million for its ESPN+ streaming service.

There is no timetable for ESPN releasing a direct-to-consumer product, which would give consumers a way to view programming from ESPN's channels without a cable subscription. ESPN+ subscribers currently still need a cable subscription to access that content.

LionTree Chairman and CEO Aryeh Bourkoff said it would be tough for ESPN to go it alone as it transitions from linear to digital and that partnerships have become as crucial for businesses as much as mergers and acquisitions.
Bourkoff compared ESPN’s transition to Netflix's move from a DVD-by-mail service to streaming, and Amazon expanding from online book sales into Prime Video and its own branded products.

“You are shifting from a linear model that has existed for a long time to a model where digital and technology companies are all competing against each other,” Bourkoff said. “You have to be properly aligned. I think there’s a way to bring all that together that preserves the upside but also cash flow. I think people have to come together to make this happen.”
 
Yes, I understand the costs were incurred. And I don't expect people to wait two years to get paid. I'm looking at when these costs hit the company's bottom line.
Some costs are expensed right away and some that are capitalized and than expensed when the movie is released. This is no different than most pre paid expenses or revenue that get booked using GAAP rules and are intended to, as you say, match revenue and corresponding expenses. Obviously, accounting for a movie is a lot more intricate and complex than a company buying a years worth of pens and making a corresponding entry every month to deplete that expense.

Doing a quick google search we get this formula when a movie is released for how a studio will recognize capitalized expenses from a film.

"Current period actual revenue / Estimated remaining unrecognized ultimate revenue"

From PWC, here is an FAQ that had about film expense recognition.

Which film costs can be capitalized?

Examples of ‘directly attributable’ film costs that can be capitalized could include:
• Direct labor: e.g. actors, film crew, security
• Production costs: e.g. editing, visual effects
• Production overhead costs: e.g. studio rent, costumes, catering
• Production-related administrative costs: e.g. insurance
• Interest costs: if directly attributable(see scenario 3 below)

The following film activities and costs are generally not considered capitalizable:
• Corporate senior management costs e.g. finance director and other non-production-related senior management costs, because such costs are considered general and administrative
• Central costs e.g. human resources
• Marketing expenses, selling expenditures, and distribution costs
• Costs associated with overall deals(see scenario 2 below)
 
Some costs are expensed right away and some that are capitalized and than expensed when the movie is released. This is no different than most pre paid expenses or revenue that get booked using GAAP rules and are intended to, as you say, match revenue and corresponding expenses. Obviously, accounting for a movie is a lot more intricate and complex than a company buying a years worth of pens and making a corresponding entry every month to deplete that expense.

Doing a quick google search we get this formula when a movie is released for how a studio will recognize capitalized expenses from a film.

"Current period actual revenue / Estimated remaining unrecognized ultimate revenue"

From PWC, here is an FAQ that had about film expense recognition.

Which film costs can be capitalized?

Examples of ‘directly attributable’ film costs that can be capitalized could include:
• Direct labor: e.g. actors, film crew, security
• Production costs: e.g. editing, visual effects
• Production overhead costs: e.g. studio rent, costumes, catering
• Production-related administrative costs: e.g. insurance
• Interest costs: if directly attributable(see scenario 3 below)

The following film activities and costs are generally not considered capitalizable:
• Corporate senior management costs e.g. finance director and other non-production-related senior management costs, because such costs are considered general and administrative
• Central costs e.g. human resources
• Marketing expenses, selling expenditures, and distribution costs
• Costs associated with overall deals(see scenario 2 below)
Thank you for this. This is pretty much what my now atrophying bean counter education expected would happen. It results in a bit of a mis-match of costs incurred as far as overheads and marketing goes. But what I expect to be the direct costs involved in actually making the movie gets deferred until the movie gets released.

The movie studios are not on a "cash basis" for accounting. They follow GAAP (Generally Acceptable Accounting Principles) procedures for recording and recognizing costs.

Disclaimer, I've got a master's degree in Accounting, but that was many, many years ago. I've been retired for over 10 years now and when I was working it was in a very different regulatory environment, public utilities. So my perspective of movie accounting is limited. The PWC statement quoted above sounds reasonable to me.
 
Some costs are expensed right away and some that are capitalized and than expensed when the movie is released. This is no different than most pre paid expenses or revenue that get booked using GAAP rules and are intended to, as you say, match revenue and corresponding expenses. Obviously, accounting for a movie is a lot more intricate and complex than a company buying a years worth of pens and making a corresponding entry every month to deplete that expense.

Doing a quick google search we get this formula when a movie is released for how a studio will recognize capitalized expenses from a film.

"Current period actual revenue / Estimated remaining unrecognized ultimate revenue"

From PWC, here is an FAQ that had about film expense recognition.

Which film costs can be capitalized?

Examples of ‘directly attributable’ film costs that can be capitalized could include:
• Direct labor: e.g. actors, film crew, security
• Production costs: e.g. editing, visual effects
• Production overhead costs: e.g. studio rent, costumes, catering
• Production-related administrative costs: e.g. insurance
• Interest costs: if directly attributable(see scenario 3 below)

The following film activities and costs are generally not considered capitalizable:
• Corporate senior management costs e.g. finance director and other non-production-related senior management costs, because such costs are considered general and administrative
• Central costs e.g. human resources
• Marketing expenses, selling expenditures, and distribution costs
• Costs associated with overall deals(see scenario 2 below)
That's a great overview, thanks!

To summarize:

Most individual tax payers are on a cash basis so they show expenses and income as they are incurred.

Public companies must use GAAP methods which align expenses (which usually happen first) with revenue that will come later (through the capitalization method). This would also include accrual accounting (for non-capital expenses), where you must report a cost for supplies or services in the month of delivery not the month you pay it. So if window washing was done in July, you must report that expense in July even if you don't have to pay it for 90 days.

These methods actually allow more visibility into the profitability of individual projects because you will have cost and revenue hitting at the same time. Without this, you would have had $300M in cost hit for Indiana Jones over the last couple years with zero revenue and then in a future period $300 million of revenue would hit with zero cost. It makes for a very lumpy picture that would be very hard to analyze.

There's nothing deceitful about these methods, in fact they are required by law/rule. That being said, many a company has tried to stretch what they might capitalize or accrue but that will catch up to them eventually and every time.

And thankfully we have another way to view things - the Cash Flow Statement. That will be a true account of cash in and out without regard to timing adjustments. That's the first thing I look at and is arguably more important than reported earnings.
 
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