Diminishing Value of Renting Points?

PamOKW said:
...Disney constantly warns not to count on renting as a way to make money...
Constantly? You mean like non-stop? I guess that's sort-of true for those in the habit of reading the fine-print in a contract over and over.

On the other hand, certain DISers will remind you ad nauseam.
 
bom_noite said:
If there were more buyers then sellers - then - the price would increase. I honestly believe that the $10 to $12 will hold constant for a few more years!

ITA. The fact is DVC is growing and growing, the best kept secret is not such a secret anymore. More and more people buy, there are going to be more owners renting out points occasionally and regularly. Meanwhile, I think the amount of people looking to rent points has remained relatively flat. We all see the referrals on the Disboards--- Try renting points! But how many of those people actually do it? Many look into it and don't do it because they don't care for the risks/policies involved with renting... and I see it recommended all the time for people looking for 2 or 3 bedrooms for large groups but I'm betting most of those people end up offsite, because even at $10 a point, the cost of a renting points for a 2-3 bedroom is incredibly high compared to renting a vacation house offsite. I know when we visited with a large party this year we couldn't begin to justify the price of say, renting points for a 3 bedroom Grand Villa versus the price of a 5 bedroom vacation home. (Early February: one week at GV at OKW @ $10/point-- $4390. We booked an All Star Vacation Home, five minutes from WDW, 5 bedrooms, five baths, luxury features throughout property, private pool, etc, for $1800. Yeah, I love onsite too, but come on.)

But I digress. The fact is I think it is just a buyer's market for rentals, there are just tons more sellers out there and as long as that is the case the market will remain flat, unless you can get a bigger pool of willing renters who are willing to bypass booking through Disney. The reason so many people take that leap of faith and give up the security of booking through CRO is because of the lower price. At a higher price, the pool of willing renters may shrink even more.

It would be nice to see the $10 per point creep up as maintenance fees etc. have crept up, but frankly I wouldn't bet on it anytime soon.
 
funny part is the homes for rent offsite are a dime a dozen..............and always available...............the demand just aint there.............and the people who own them (insert me here) know it as well............that is why i sold it and own a ton of DVC points..............and funny thing there is I rent out about 500 points a yr and never and i mean never have trouble renting them.................so I think if you want to spend 1800 a week and your happy with you do it................
 
10 $$ a point is crazy. I rent by the night and I have 3 reservations for people at 150 per night in oct and I think that is an awesome price for the BWV stan studio .I didn't figure the price per point I rent it by the night and will not go less than 11 but do 12 for week nights and 11 for weekends everyone should price it by the night
maria
 

2 years ago I was renting OKW for over $12 and happy about it on ebay. $14 at BC and also happy to pay it. But going so offen convince me to purchase in. I did and now own at BWV.
 
The price is guided by supply and demand. There are relatively few people who know about renting points. There are a much larger number of members who rent points. What's more, points are a perishable good - they expire after so long. That makes the sellers more motivated and perpetuates a buyers' market.

It's easy to see when people would rent for such low prices - anything is better than nothing! Let's say you absolutely can't afford to take time of to go anywhere the DVC would send you. You know you just can't use your points. If you don't use them, you get nothing. Worse yet, you still have to pay your dues on those points.

So getting something for them is much better than nothing. It's like selling milk. You can't wait a month and see if the prices go up. If you don't sell it, it could go bad and be worthless.
 
As others have stated, this is an extremely simple situation:

There are more sellers than buyers ... someday IF there are more buyers than sellers, then sellers will be commanding higher prices.
 
DizWacko said:
As others have stated, this is an extremely simple situation:

There are more sellers than buyers ....

BINGO! And, DVC adds something like 30 new members a day! As I said before: The $10 per point ain't going anywhere anytime soon!
 
bongo59 said:
funny part is the homes for rent offsite are a dime a dozen..............and always available...............the demand just aint there.............and the people who own them (insert me here) know it as well............that is why i sold it and own a ton of DVC points..............and funny thing there is I rent out about 500 points a yr and never and i mean never have trouble renting them.................so I think if you want to spend 1800 a week and your happy with you do it................


Tis true. We stayed 7 nights in a 3 bedroom, 2.5 bath townhome at Emerald Isle in 2003 during the Northeast's February school break for $500. That's $500 total! It's just a 5-10 minute drive to the parks (in regular traffic). Beautiful place-no complaints. It was great for us at the time, but now we are a bit more spoiled and want a kitchen, separate bedrooms AND to not to have to drive back and forth. :teeth:

But, if we decided on relatively short notice that we wanted to visit WDW and stay in a DVC unit during a peak time, we'd probably pay up to $14 a point for a Sun-Fri ressie at ANY of the DVC properties.
 
well I rented OKW 40 points 5 nights studio oct 22, 15.00 a point by the night $120.00 now you can't beat 120 a night at a 5 star resort
maria
 
Maria395712 said:
well I rented OKW 40 points 5 nights studio oct 22, 15.00 a point by the night $120.00 now you can't beat 120 a night at a 5 star resort
maria

Yes, that's a good price. However, OKW is not a five star resort!
 
pouncingpluto said:
Yes, that's a good price. However, OKW is not a five star resort!

rateings are based on the opinion of the person doing the rateing
 
Ok, let me clarify. Under most (all?) professional rating systems, OKW would not qualify as a five star resort.

This is not a slam on OKW... this is a reflection of services and amenities.
 
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well OKW is higher up than a value or a moderate and 120 a night at OKW is a great price without a discount you can pay that at a value
maria
 
LOL @ simpilotswife :rotfl2:

"1 week at BCV will cost you 3 strips of gold-pressed latinum!"
 
simpilotswife said:


OMG. You owe me a new monitor. :lmao:

(BTW, my husband just bought the first season of STNG on DVD. What a geek! ;))
 
DISPOP said:
We did rent ours last year for $10...we had a ton of responses. Maybe we should have gone to $11. As to why we would rent points: here was our scenario.

Priced a DCL 7 day cruise for $3100.
Same cabin level/date thru DVC was 430 points.
Rented 300 points for $10.
Got the same cruise and "saved" 130 points.

We have been members since 2000 and have only rented our points once. We love the one and two bedroom condos and use them yearly. However, if you consider DCL or the other resorts, you are better off financially to rent the points and pay cash rather than book using points.

:wizard: Another main advatage with "actively renting points" especially if you bought more points than you intend to use is the "tax" advantage of being in the business of renting points. Your intention is not to break you agreement from Diney in renting for a profit but a quick bit of math (sans maintenance fees over the life of contract!) gives insight into the 10 per point rental fee bside the excellent expample DISPOP gave.
a 45 year contract at current rate of 92 PP = out to a little over 2 dollars a point invest over that span - so clearly selling your points for any particular year at 10PP is a profit. this is however to your advantage because this is exactly how the IRS views this transaction which leads intothe second hidden advantage of renting your extra points.
If you actively pursue seeking rentals for extra points in any given year then you are using your points for the purposes of making a profit and by doing so you meet the minimum guideline for the IRS to consider this a "business" now that being said there are two other advantages in this business:
1. Most of your annual dues, taxes and excahnge memberships fees are covered as full write offs against any rental fees you obtain in any particular year. This is a direct advantage and essential reiburses you for most of the annual cost for maintenance fees - it's not a 100% re-imbursement but it is close.
2. Anytrips you make to the resorsts can be considered for "business" purposes as long as you are there for a "legitimate" business purpose - Well staying at the resort to "greater increase" your knowledge of the resort to better service your rental clients would certainly qualify would it not? also you just have to attend those pesky "condiminium meetings in November or December don't you! this nets you a 50% discount on your travel realted expenses INC. Food especially if you tell your waitress about the great benefits of renting DVC points from you ; . ) wink wink nudge nudge!!

so in summary, you can recoup most if not all of your annual maintenance fees - wirte off those fees on your taxes, travel to WDW and other "tradeable" locations as basically "familirization" trips and you can do this year after year.

Now let's also say that some years you intend to use most of those points! so why not hold a small percentage in reserve with the active intent to sell them at $15 a point? you know this will not net you an offer and if you do get an offer - well what a bonus for that year - you make a loss for the year - write everthing off and hope to make a profit the next year. and according tho the IRS you only are required to ahow a "profit" every three years.

I can rent 200 Points at $10 PP generate 2K in cash to cover almost 2 years of maintenance fees still go to WDW on my other block of points and otherwise maximize my enjoyment, and I am not seen as goughing any one for the points renting or seemingly making an intent to make a profit because I am seeking only to rent my points at what the "market wil bear" at any particular time.

Thanks,
whiles :wizard:
 
Sounds like the same logic I used to claim the differnece in my wifes Catholic High School salary versus teaching at a public high school. The accountant didn't buy it as a charitable contribution to the church. At least I tried.

Yo
 
Anthony1971 said:
I do not think most members are renting to make money they are renting because they can not use the points. as an owner you are under contract to not make money.......or you have no intentions of... even at 9-10 you are making money and your points do not go to waste.
There are lots of people (EBAY) who do sell points or rentals to make money in that case they are getting more then 10 a point :smokin:
I bought my points to use... I will rent to people I know first if it came down to it I would rent here but this is not why I bought the points :thumbsup2

I was on another thread yesterday talking about Renting vs. Buying DVC and have been looking at a lot of other timeshare options out there too. Besides the Tax advantages to renting out some of your time share points each year which is another advantage to purchasing more than you needed for your own vacation. I was prompted to do some calculating on what actually a point costs for a time share at SSR right now over the life span of the contract which ends in 2051 (45 years)?

400 points will cost you 40,101 if you want to use all your points right now (we will leave the other incentives out for now.)
400 Points will cost aout 2K average per year over the lifetime of the contract per year = 90K

Total cost of ownership over 45 years is 131K divide by 45 years and then by 400 points and you get = $7.27 per point cost for the lifetime of the contract.

If you rent out at 10 dollars a point you are still making a profit - paying for your entire maintenance fee each year and since you only rent "a portion of your points" you get to vacation for free more or less for 45 year (At least for you Hotel stay).

I think besides the ever growing demand for more DVC members the rental market is being watched and "tolerated" by Disney and you just know someone i nthe company has made calculations just like this to gauge if the "Property" is appreciating in value and how quickly it is doing so.
There's room to make a profit still right now but as Disney keeps escalating the purchase prices of the time shares the rental market will have to adjust upwards.

I also remember many moons ago when you could rent DVC stays for the 6 - 8 dollar range so the rental market has gone up it is just a lot slower to acclimate upwards. We can also guarantee the WDW Hotel rates will continue to rise which makes the justification to raise the rental rate up accordingly.

Most of the people who sell below 10 PP are just desperate to get a recoup of money for points they are about to lose.

whiles
 





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