D.A. to seek THE DEATH PENALTY for Samantha's killer

[JohnTBap]

I think that there is a difference between statements such as these:

"I think that, in the interest of societal safety, he should be humanely put to death."

and

"Do horrible things and then kill him."


I think that one shows compassion, and the other does not.


Is one murder different from another? If you murder him, are you any different than he??? Murder is murder. The commandment is "Thou shall not kill" PERIOD. There is no qualifier such as "unless he is a child predator." You shall not kill - PERIOD.

Do you not think that I am also outraged by this???? I, too, have children. I cannot even imagine the living hell that her parents must be going through. I won't even pretend to know AT ALL even a fraction of their pain. I just know that more killing will not bring her back.

I wish I had the answers for this epidemic our nation seems to be having. I don't. All I can do is hug my children a little tighter and pray more fervently.

I just don't think that continued violence is the answer.

 

[aahmom1]

Yes, same story different day.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

I do have to jump in and say...what makes you think the prison population depises molesters and "takes care of them"??
That is the old days my friends. In fact I do believe the molesters are the ones that get treated the best because they tend to be "everyone's friend".
I do believe that is the reality of today and to trick yourself into believing they will "be taken care of" is just not the norm.

 

[SuiteDisney]

The sooner the better.

 

[aahmom1]

The Mystery Machine, actually I tend to disagree. Even robbers, rapists and murderers hate a child molester/killer. They are the lowest nothings to walk the Earth, which is why I find it so laughable that there are actually people who feel compassion for this lower than low piece of crap.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Wow. This is very disappointing. I expected to see at least a facade of Christian compassion

What? Your Christian God never endorsed killing another human being? Must be a different Bible than the one I read.

The commandment is "Thou shall not kill" PERIOD.

Actually, it is "Thou shall not <B>murder</B>". If you are going with the "Thou shall not kill" then I hope you have never squashed a bug, ate any type of meat, caught a mouse in a trap, etc. because that would all fall under the "not kill" thing.

 

[JohnTBap]

My Christian God says - judge not lest ye be judged.

I was paraphrasing. I didn't expect you to argue semantics.

 

[Blondie]

I no longer am in favor of the death penalty. Let the prison population take care of him.

Yeah, like they did to Jeffrey Dahmer, beat his head in with mop!

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Uhhh.....JTB aren't you judging those who are in favor of the death penalty??

 

[JohnTBap]

I don't think so. I'm just saying that for me, a Christian, I cannot support the death penalty. I feel that I have no right to sanction the taking of a life.

 

[Goofyposter]

if WE kill him, WE allow ourselves to be taken down to HIS level of immorality

sounds ok to me....but I think your intrepretation is incorrect.

JTB...I agree that violence shouldn't be continued unnecessarily...but history has shown many times...that sometimes...violence is needed to prevent further violence.
jmho

 

[6_Time_Momma]

I don't think so.

Oh? I guess I found the following statement to be quite judgemental.

Wow. This is very disappointing. I expected to see at least a facade of Christian compassion.

I apologize if that wasn't judging.

 

[JohnTBap]

If I said something like "YOU'RE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL" then I would consider that judgemental.

I simply stated my feelings. I was even careful to use my "I" messages. Didn't you notice?

 

[JohnTBap]

Originally posted by Goofyposter


sounds ok to me....but I think your intrepretation is incorrect.

JTB...I agree that violence shouldn't be continued unnecessarily...but history has shown many times...that sometimes...violence is needed to prevent further violence.
jmho

No need to JMHO me, Goof. I'd never flame you.

 

[ead79]

I am a Christian and I support the death penalty. I support it for Biblical reasons.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

I believe you said "I expected to see some facade of Christian compassion" which would imply we had no compassion......a judgement about us. And unless I missed it, I don't think anyone said that the criminal in question was going to burn in Hell, so how are we judging?

I realize I should not pick on you, but it really bothers me when someone comes off as passing judgement on those who disagree with your opinion.


Edited to add----that occurs not only in this thread,but in others I have seen as well. (not only you, JTB)

 

[bsnyder]

We all make judgements all the time. We may not speak them out loud, or write them in a thread, but that doesn't mean we aren't making them.

The thing that gets me is when someone is judgemental of people being judgemental. That just doesn't make much sense to me!

JTB, this is not directed at your or your posts. Just a general observation.

 

[JohnTBap]

I would think that even you could agree that some of that statements about deserving penalties were unduly harsh and therefore not compassionate - not a judgement but rather observation.

Determining a punishment, such a death, for someone is judging, IMHO.

BTW, perhaps he is mentally ill. Would that make a difference in your condemnation?

 

[DixieDreamer]

I believe the death penalty is appropriate if guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, if the full extent of appeal and due process are afforded to the individual... and if the crime is sufficiently horrific that life in prison or death are the only appropriate punishments.


As a Christian, I hope this man truly repents and finds God's forgiveness before he faces the consequences of his actions. It does not change however, the fact that he should be held accountable for his actions. We all should be.

The compassion I have is that it should be done humanely, and I hope he truly seeks God's forgiveness before it is too late. That is between him and God.


Now... having said how I feel about this specific issue ... I am also going to say how statements that I am "blood thirsty" and "morally just as awful as this man for approving of the death penalty" anger me. Those kinds of statements are outright attacks on my person. I don't care if they are said "generally". It is a generalized attack on my person because I fall into the group that is being pidgeon holed and labeled. It is a form of bigotry and prejudice to behave that way. It is completely UNACCEPTABLE.

You may certainly state how you feel on the issue - but please do not presume to know what motivates my position on ANY issue. You cannot speak for me. Only I may do that.

Just for the record, I am probably one of the most NON BLOOD THIRSTY persons you may ever meet.

 

[JohnTBap]

Originally posted by bsnyder
We all make judgements all the time. We may not speak them out loud, or write them in a thread, but that doesn't mean we aren't making them.

The thing that gets me is when someone is judgemental of people being judgemental. That just doesn't make much sense to me!

JTB, this is not directed at your or your posts. Just a general observation.

I can agree with you. To me, though, judging whether or not someone should live or die is the ultimate and something I am not prepared to decide.