D.A. to seek THE DEATH PENALTY for Samantha's killer

[WDWHound]

Originally posted by EROS
It's clear that many here just don't want to understand/recognize their OWN capacity for BLOODLUST AND VENGEANCE . That's OK.............keep up the DENIAL if it helps you truly believe that you're really a kind and decent person .

Eros: I would address the unbeleivably arrogant and judgemental nature of your post, but I don't want to get banned. Suffice it to say that there are other valid opinions on this topic besides your own. To label motives of people who disagree with on this subject as bloodlust and vegence and denial simply shows that you are still not worth debating. If you had something worthwhile to say, you would say it with more respect for your audience.

Its a pity, there are some valid arguments for your points. Too bad you yell too loud to and insult too freely make them.

 

[EROS]

Originally posted by aahmom1

Get this man as far away from society as humanly possible, and to me that means the death penalty.

Ummmmmmm,er, aahmom1, virtually ALL of the CIVILIZED nations of the world have come to a different conclusion than yourself. They feel that they can adequately protect their people from despicable murderers by locking them away. Perhaps the countries of Western Europe are RIGHT, and nations like the USA, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia, and the like are WRONG.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

When is someone who is anti-death penalty going to answer aahmoms question about war? Hmmmmmm????

 

[aahmom1]

Hey Eros, how about you step down from that cross you have yourself on and answer one of my questions. Please save the ranting for somebody who gives a crap about a child murderer, I'm not her.

 

[janette]

Not sure of all the reasons but I know my father and his brothers were medics in WWII because they requested not to be put into combat positions.

 

[EROS]

Originally posted by aahmom1


If you are staring down the barrel of a gun and it's you or him is it ok to take that person's life. .

aahmom1, in the days of the Selective Service Draft, from approx. 1941-75(?), one could apply to become a CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR if able to answer NO to the question which you posed above. I know of people who did "alternative service " for 2 years after convincing their draft board of their true religious sincerity.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

So, you think all the soldiers who went to war and fought for this country are bloodthirsty and vengeful since they chose to fight instead of being a conscientious objector? Ouch.

 

[aahmom1]

That's a BIG OUCH!!!! Don't you think you're reaching here Eros. Do you honestly believe that every person who has killed in the line of duty is blood thristy? All the 18 year old boys who's lives were lost so that you could sit at your desk and spew what you spew? Do you believe them to be all blood thirsty/ I wonder if when the Army. Navy, Air Force, Marines sent out those telegrams to those poor Moms and wives that lost their men in wars would agree with you. You know what I think? I think it takes a stronger man to stand up and be counted and do what has to be done than one that sits and complains because he doesn't like the way it's done.

 

[JohnTBap]

Originally posted by aahmom1
You know what I think?

Yes, we do.

 

[EROS]

Originally posted by 6_Time_Momma
So, you think all the soldiers who went to war and fought for this country are bloodthirsty and vengeful since they chose to fight instead of being a conscientious objector? Ouch.

LOL . I'm the LAST person who would have ever filed to be a Conscientious Objector. If I had been subjected to the DRAFT, I would have gone and fought like HELL. I'd gladly surrender my life to PROTECT my country. However, I would NEVER kill an incarcerated man just because the STATE says that he must die..........I'm sure that there are MANY here who would just salivate over becoming an executioner .........

 

[aahmom1]

Originally posted by JohnTBap


Yes, we do.

Good, then I'm making myself perfectly clear, I'd hate to sound wishy washy.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

HELL. I'd gladly surrender my life to PROTECT my country. However, I would NEVER kill an incarcerated man just because the STATE says that he must die..........

Ahhh.....but you said "killing is killing" so how is state sanctioned killing in war any different than state sanctioned killing of a murderer?

 

[minnieandmickey]

The state executes people to protect the people of this country. This man is the enemy and we as a country need to protect ourselves from him, and others like him. The sad thing is that this monster is going to sit on death row alot longer than that little girl was alive, and at the citizens expense, and he will not suffer during this time because he will be put into protective custody to protect rights that he shouldn't have. And feel free to quote this DECENT person.

 

[WDWHound]

Originally posted by EROS
It's clear that many here just don't want to understand/recognize their OWN capacity for BLOODLUST AND VENGEANCE . That's OK.............keep up the DENIAL if it helps you truly believe that you're really a kind and decent person

Its clear that someone here just doesn't want to recognize their spinelessnes and lack of courage to stand up and do the hard but right thing when its called for... keep up the DENIAL if it helps you truly believe that you're really a kind and decent person. Of course others may get hurt, the victoms family may suffer more and the murderer will ultimately suffer the rest of his life, but at least you will feel soooo good and superior about yourself.

Ah, I see why you argue this way now. That was so much easier than actually thinking.

And before anyone one complains about not allowing a differing point of view, let me be clear. Its not your opinion I object to, Its the arraogance and total disregard for others I find offensive.

JTB: Thanks for some interesting thoughts.

 

[janette]

I believe in my father's case it wasn't that he felt anyone was blood thirsty or wrong, just that he personally could not bring himself to take a life. Even in war.

I'm against the death penalty and would never vote for it and would vote against it if the opportunity came up. It is part of why I didn't vote for George in the last election (although in TX I knew it didn't matter).

I would not take part in a jury deciding a death penalty case, I would have to excuse myself because even knowing the law I won't be part of putting anyone to death.

I'm not active in any movement to help get rid of the death penalty, I realize that I have a minority opinion on this but can't see that it would change. Only with a perfect justice system would it be okay and as long as humans are administering the justice it won't happen.

I don't care it this monster is put to death, but if I had to chose between his death and no more death penalty I'd chose no death penalty.

 

[ripleysmom]

"I had been subjected to the DRAFT, I would have gone and fought like HELL. I'd gladly surrender my life to PROTECT my country."


But Eros.....


"KILLING IS KILLING IS KILLING"


War is state sponsored killing right?

So what are your feelings about the terrorists that took down the WTC? Obviously if you met up with them in the field of battle you wopuld take their life. Why is it okay to do it there but not in a courtroom or prison?

And, if you really want to get technical, couldn't executing a prisoner be considered a casualty of war? After all, we are fighting a war on crime in this country. Sometimes there are casualties in war......


And please do not take this post to mean that I am denying my bloodlust or thirst for vengeance. I do not deny it nor do I apologize for it.

 

[EROS]

Hey, if someone broke into my house and tried to hurt my family, I'd put a bullet between his eyes with my .45; if I was attacked in a foxhole on the battlefield, I'd use my bayonet or barehands in an instant. I'm no pacifist. We call it..........SELF-DEFENSE .

However, for all the "wannabe" executioners out there, how is it "self-defense" to kill a man who is locked away in a maximum security 6' x 8' cell????? . You can rationalize it in any way that you like, but it's NOT self-defense.................it's BLOODLUST AND VENGEANCE ........

 

[Big Dude]

Let's go back one step, if we may. I still believe that the burden of proof lies in your court my brother. The burden to prove that evil actually exists in the world. So let me ask you: by what criteria do you judge some things to be evil and other things not to be evil? By what process do you distinguish evil from good?

Hey, if someone broke into my house and tried to hurt my family, I'd put a bullet between his eyes with my .45

On what basis do you determine that the person entering your house is doing something wrong? Perhaps he was just coming in to check the expiration date on your ACLU card! Since you find it necessary to repeat yourself in many posts, I'd like to repeat myself also: Where did morality find its beginning? Did one ape finally decide that killing another ape was wrong? Did one decide that it was wrong to steal another ape's supper? No such things have occurred! Morality finds it origin in the existence of God.

I just have trouble trying to comprehend views from a person who cannot answer the question of "Where did morality find it's origin?"

EROS, you know that you are one of my favorite "non-believers" on the boards and I have not given up hope for you yet. I will continue to pray for you and wish you peace.

Adam aka Big Dude

 

[DixieDreamer]

Eros if you call me a name one more time - I am going to take that sharp stick you are poking me in the eye with... and beat you up with it.

I have had it.

 

[babar]

First of all, did anyone really think that people against the death penalty would suddenly feel different about this case? As I stated before, when you believe in something strongly, it won't (not never) change from case to case. I don't believe in the death penalty, and most likely never will. (I never say never!)

And secondly, try not to get so angry at the "bloodlust" comments. You've heard them before, and you'll probably hear them again. Try not to take it so personally. I think it's for dramatic effect, and it certainly creates drama here!

andrea