D.A. to seek THE DEATH PENALTY for Samantha's killer

[DixieDreamer]

Babar - I know. But it does not make it acceptable.

 

[AF Brenda]

Perhaps EROS is right...perhaps state sponsored killing is wrong...instead, let's put Avila out on the sidewalk in the neighborhood from which he stole that precious little girl...after giving the family and the neighbors advanced notice, of course...no state sponsored killing there...just self defense.

 

[WDWHound]

Originally posted by babar
First of all, did anyone really think that people against the death penalty would suddenly feel different about this case? As I stated before, when you believe in something strongly, it won't (not never) change from case to case. I don't believe in the death penalty, and most likely never will. (I never say never!)

And secondly, try not to get so angry at the "bloodlust" comments. You've heard them before, and you'll probably hear them again. Try not to take it so personally. I think it's for dramatic effect, and it certainly creates drama here!

andrea

Barbar. I appreciate you calmly considered thoughts on this topic. However, I have a hard time allowing someone a license to be openly rude, insulting and arrogant in the name of dramatic effect. I just don't understand why Eros is granted special priviledge to openly violate DIS policy in this way.

 

[Mamu]

The brazen abduction, rape and torture of this 5 year old girl and the chain of events that have followed has sent fear and horror through our society.

A horror that every parent is feeling. We will never understand the evil that lurk inside of some people and how they can prey on innocent children.

There is a deep sadness inside of me, a sadness that we cannot trust anyone. A sadness that we need to execute our fellow humans to feel safe.

I am a very compassionate person, but I find no compassion for this man. I will not rejoice in his execution, but I do feel the right decision was made.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Don't faint now, EROS, but I TOTALLY agree with you on this one!! We are one of the few barbaric countries left who embrace the death penalty. It is a requirement of the new "united European " states that members NOT allow the death penalty.

Besides, the death penalty is a cop out. It is no penalty for this scuz bag to get the easy way out of his rotten life. A far more fitting penalty is to subject him to the wrath of the other inmates for the rest of his misearable life! The death penalty solves NOTHING! Sorry, EROS, but you wont agree with this part. I think when we give the death penalty, we are acting Godless.

 

[EROS]

DIXIE, I haven't called YOU by any name . In fact, the ONLY member whom I've mentioned has been JTB. Actually, the personal attacks on this thread are primarily directed at ME .

Big Dude, we got little response from others here to your thoughtful thread about morality. That doesnt' surprise me. Most are here for the fluff. I'm at work now, so my response will be brief. In essence, I feel that "morality" evolved NOT from GOD but from the necessity of man to live in social environments to SURVIVE. I'm sure that the cavemen (and women) realized that they had a GREATER chance of survival IF they could band into groups. It probably became recognized quite early that such groupings could NOT exist if man was to wantonly kill his fellow man. Sooooooooooo, social constructs, such as sanctions against murder,arose to allow man to establish "communities".

WDWHound, your comments are appreciated. I may indeed by rude, arrogant, and insulting. However, unlike certain other parties, I never attack specific DISers.

 

[AF Brenda]

The death penalty solves NOTHING!

Actually, it does. It solves the dilemma of how to guarantee, beyond any doubt, that this guy won't rape, torture and murder again.

 

[DixieDreamer]

Eros - I disagree. You have classed anyone who believes differently than you as "blood thirsty murders". I believe differently than you. So therefore you are calling me names. In fact, you are shouting them at me in color no less.

That is no different than calling a group of people who believe in a certain religion, or who are a different race.... a foul name.

Please don't act like a martyr about it either. You provoke purposefully and then act abused when you get the response you seem to be so desperately seeking.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Believe me, if he is left in prison, he will have no chance to repeat either! In fact, I doubt he would continue to be "intact" if left near other inmates.

 

[Goofyposter]

eros writes:

However, I would NEVER kill an incarcerated man just because the STATE says that he must die

So if you're willing to go to war and kill...are you not doing that out of the defense of the people of your country? and acting as an agent of 'the state'?

eros writes:

if someone broke into my house and tried to hurt my family, I'd put a bullet between his eyes

And you appear at ease with killing for "self defense"

So...how is it that you are unwilling to understand that the "state sponsored murder" is a form of the people of the country practicing self defense by killing others who kill to prevent them from killing more?

Further, why do you not seem to understand, that in America..."the state" is "we the people"....???

You may not like the common prevailing opinion....but that IS the terriority of the DEBATE board is it not? A place to air differences in opinions which a reasonable person could expect would raise passions? So why is it eros that you do not confine these types of posts to that domaine?

eros...I sincerely hope, for your sake, that your RL environment lends itself to a more understanding way to these concerns of yours....otherwise, I fear you're a very unhappy camper.

 

[AF Brenda]

Believe me, if he is left in prison, he will have no chance to repeat either!

Perhaps we should tell that to family members of those murdered by escaped prisoners. And yes, that does happen.

 

[Big Dude]

In essence, I feel that "morality" evolved NOT from GOD but from the necessity of man to live in social environments to SURVIVE.

A "man-made" evolutionary process?

Was Hitler not part of this "man-made" evolutionary process? I'm sure he realized that " they had a GREATER chance of survival IF they could band into groups."

It is impossible to distinguish evil from good unless one has an infinite reference point which is absolutely good (Read as God). Otherwise, you would be like a boat out at sea on a cloudy night without a compass (there would be no way to distinguish north from south without the absolute reference point of the compass needle).

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying the "evolutionary" process of morality. It just has toooooooooooooo many holes in it!

Adam aka Big Dude

 

[luvwinnie]

that I am all for the death penalty in this case. I don't see it as an "easy out" because I believe where he will be going will be much tougher than prison.

 

[EROS]

Originally posted by Goofyposter

So if you're willing to go to war and kill...are you not doing that out of the defense of the people of your country? and acting as an agent of 'the state'?

GOOFY, if I was serving my country at war and was ORDERED to shoot an enemy prisoner who was in handcuffs, I would REFUSE.
Of course, most of the Nazis did kill deathcamp prisoners and offered that, "I was only following orders".

Executing an incarcerated felon gives a "bad name" to the concept of SELF-DEFENSE ..........

 

[Disney Doll]

Without having read any of EROS' posts on this thread...the "ignore" feature is a wonderful thing ...I would question why so many of you are responding to HIM rather than stating your opinions about the death penalty.

EROS' joy in life is getting folks all worked up, and he has succeeded with some of you. I for one, no longer allow the rantings of a "gentleman" who lives many miles away from me and has no bearing on my life disturb me.

As to the question of the death penalty in this case, the man deserves to die. It will solve the problems of the possibility of parole, him being tortured/killed in prison by guards or other inmates(I hear they don't take kindly to child molesters there), and the unkindness of him having to live in the hell that is prison for the rest of his life. Plus, he'll have all of eternity existing in wherever he will be existing to think about what he did.

Have a lovely day, all.

 

[AF Brenda]

I sincerely doubt we would ever have to worry about you serving your country EROS.

 

[WDWHound]

Originally posted by DixieDreamer
Eros - I disagree. You have classed anyone who believes differently than you as "blood thirsty murders". I believe differently than you. So therefore you are calling me names. In fact, you are shouting them at me in color no less.

That is no different than calling a group of people who believe in a certain religion, or who are a different race.... a foul name.

Please don't act like a martyr about it either. You provoke purposefully and then act abused when you get the response you seem to be so desperately seeking.

WDWHound stands and applauds DixieDreamer.

 

[EROS]

Disneydoll, you won't see this post , but I just want to say that you MADE MY DAY by stating that I'm on your IGNORE list .

Cheers ......

 

[Goofyposter]

Further, why do you not seem to understand, that in America..."the state" is "we the people"....???

You may not like the common prevailing opinion....but that IS the terriority of the DEBATE board is it not?

Care to take a crack at these eros?

 

[CyranoJones]

THE Ten Commandments of Artless Argument

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1) Regardless of the issue ---- make sure you bring up your views on abortion, capital punishment, Christianity, and the political party you least like, regularly. Make sure your use the terms "wrong", "evil", "sinful" and "false" in describing views that differ from your particular beliefs. Try to work in the terms "blinded" or "deluded".

2) Depending on YOUR orientation refer to your opponents in arguments (or debates that hold the promise of becoming arguments) as facists or communists as often as possible. Suggest that their views parallel those held in Nazi Germany or of Stalinist USSR at least once.

3) Point out the shortcomings of the opposite gender. Using tasteless jokes that you ascribe to others is a favorite ploy. If your opponent is of the same sex ---- cast doubt on their sexual orientation.

4) When you've managed to get a good heated exchange going try to score points by using a word that will drive your opponent to the dictionary. Mock any attempts on their part to do the same. If possible humiliate them and react to attacks on your arguments with ironic references to misspellings, ill-conceived sentence construction, or inappropriate word usage.

5) If you make an error, never apologize. Blame it on a technical difficulty or on your opponent's mischaracterization of your argument.

6) When inspired, make sure you word your attacks and counterattacks so that you leave no opening for your adversary to capitulate to your view except in disgrace. Try to make certain that every avenue of response is a path of shame. Phrases like "only a idiot or a scumbag would argue that ..." are very helpful.

7) If you start to slip in an argument attack the person. It's most helpful to know something personal about them so that your ad hominems point out both academic/professional defects and their deficiencies as a human.

8) If someone levels an attack upon you, respond that in their reliance on ad hominem attacks the argument has deteriorated to a level that no longer warrants your participation. This can be a winning blow if played properly. Be subtle here, and clever; try to convey the sense of your opponent as dim-witted, ethically degenerate, desperate, and outmanuevered by your overwhelming intellectual superiority. The real joy here is that you can neatly do away with any respect due your opponent, slander his character, lacerate his pride, and, if done properly and with elan, simultaneously represent yourself as a man or woman whose ethics and moral sensitivity make it impossible for you to do what you just did. This one is a real gem -- and when executed gracefully -- really an art form.

8) When you face a loss, construct a "straw man" argument either by taking your opponets words out of context or by changing the issue. Never lose ---- change the issue. If your opponent has the facts on thier side, argue that facts don't constitute scholarship and understanding, and might even be a sign that one has not yet come to the level of understanding at all. Claim that computers store facts and that real scholarship is the sign of being able to understand and seeing the deeper connections.

9) Remember that you are always right. No matter what forces are marshalled against you, no matter how reasonable, humble, or generous, don't give an inch, don't be swayed. You are always right. It's the other side that caused this ruckus and keeps it going.

10) Always insist on the last word. The only honorable finish is unconditional capitulation by your adversaries or their defeated silence.

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