Cutting in line..

[fan1080]

If it was forbidden it would be enforced.

See my previous post.

 

[Luvchefmic]

I don't think it's so much your child was considered the "troublemaker" but does anyone really want to teach their children that they should get bothered and cause issues over something so small? Shouldn't the general idea be "Don't Sweat the Small Stuff?" I'd hate to get bothered and upset over every tiny thing that happened, it would be a nightmare!

Sorry these parents are.raising a child that is confident assertive NOT agressive and standingup for himself, someone with a moral code of values and ethics, a sense of fairness I have no doubt he will grow up and give something to this world
Parents should be proud of his behavior


The other 2 oh yes this is how it begins the give me or I'll take it mindset
Their parents should be especially proud, maybe values.com could help na the guilty never think its aimed at them

 

[Granny square]

Values, morals and ethics include compassion and forgiveness. I'm not raising my kids to be self righteous jerks. I figure we all do something rude or stupid in life on occasion and I treat people the way I would like to be treated. A pretty basic lesson in values morals and ethics in our home.

I figure most people have saved a seat or place in line for someone at some time or another in life. And most people just don't think it is a big deal to let someone in and out of a line. Luckily. I could not care less as long as my ties aren't smushed. It has never affected a line time for me.

Lol, and as far as my dad and daughter story, when my mom had her colon removed she coul have easily fit the whole story including running to the nearest rr, and frantically taking care I business and been back to the line in 10 minutes. Otoh, I'd never stand for an hour in line for any ride, lol!

 

[mfd25wife]

No. Stargazertechie was correct. There is no such thing as a medical fastpass. Nor is there anything that allows a person to do what you are describing. If you wish to educate yourself on this matter, please spend a little time over on the disAbilities board where all of these things are explained at length.

The closest thing to what you describe are the very special accommodations that are made for Make A Wish children.

There are a few (please note the emphasis on this) attractions where someone with a GAC or a wheelchair/ECV skips the regular standby line. This only occurs on some of the older attractions where the line cannot accommodate a chair or scooter OR if the person with the GAC cannot tolerate the conditions of the standby line. In those situations there will be an alternate route for them to take, or there will be an alternate place for the guest to wait their turn. In these situations the guest will usually wait as long as guests in the regular line. Sometimes they will wait longer.

Does GAC abuse happen? Without doubt. You will always have those who will try to milk any system, and current ADA laws prevent Disney from requiring proof of disability. Hopefully most of the cheaters quickly learn that the GACs aren't quite the superfastpass that they thought they were.

You are wrong and you really shouldn't lecture people about "educating" themselves when you don't have the facts straight yourself.

Please don't tell me that I don't know what I am talking about since I have used a GAC for my son many times at both WDW and DL.



This is not GAC "abuse." WDW offers GAC for children with some issues related to autism, ADHD, sensory issues and other disabilities. They do this to be ADA compliant AND to reap the benefit of families who show their loyalty to Disney because of these disability-friendly policies. Taking advantage of the benefits freely offered is not abuse, not an attempt to milk the system and not cheating.



Your experience using it differs greatly from my family's experience. My guess is you have different issues than my son does. And we were not "told" verbally by Disney to use it the way we did...we were instructed in how to use the GAC in writing and it included FP line usage.

I know many on here try to make it a full-time job to undercut the benefits of the GAC. But I don't like to see fellow posters being called liars, cheats or abusers for simply using what Disney offers.

We were given a GAC when we had been in a wreck and I had broken my neck and 10 ribs. Then again, DH was talking to WDW people from the trauma center. We never were put in a "holding area". We used an alternate entrance for me and the entire party. I know they mark the cards differently for different issues. Since I was in a neck brace and a wheelchair, there was no one who questioned us on anything other than a few who asked what had happened.

As for the original question, I don't care if someone needs to leave the line for any reason and rejoin their group, whether it is for the restroom or a medical issue. There is a difference in that and a group jumping ahead.

 

[Kellykins1218]

As for the original question, I don't care if someone needs to leave the line for any reason and rejoin their group, whether it is for the restroom or a medical issue. There is a difference in that and a group jumping ahead.

Exactly!!

 

[Superspectral]

I think people seem to still be talking about a number of different things and somehow considering them all "line cutting". So let's take WDW out of it entirely and put the examples into a different setting.

1. I go into the grocery store to pick up a few things. There is a 45 minute wait to be served at a check out. I leave my "husband" (or whoever) to wait in line while I pick up my few things. I return to the line and wait to get served. This is NOT line cutting.

2. I go to the grocery store to pick up a few things. There is a 45 minute wait to be served at a check out. I pick up the things and get into the line. After I've been waiting for 25 minutes, I realise that I've forgotten to pick up the milk. I leave my "husband" (or whoever) in the queue and go and pick up the milk. I return to the queue and get served. Again, this is NOT line cutting. Would someone actually leave the line entirely and wait another 45 minutes, after they've already been waiting a substantial amount of time?

Respectfully, I disagree that examples 1 and 2 are analogous to being in a Disney line in the most meaningful way.

When you are in a supermarket checkout line, it is your grocery cart that is being checked out. Effectively, it is your grocery cart and your items in the line. The people are just accompanying the cart. It takes no longer for the cashier to ring up and bag the items in the cart if only DH is in line in comparison if DH is accompanied by DW, DD and DS. In fact, if it is a self serve line, it might actually go faster if DH bagged while DW scanned. In all cases, DW, DD, and DS can join DH in line at any time without changing the order in which carts are processed, and without adding any extra carts, or denying a previous cart its spot.

Now, the poster did imply she was adding items to the cart. Extra items going into the cart is going to increase the time it takes to check out the cart. Adding one item to 100 is a small imposition, and again, most people attending their carts in the checkout line will give the benefit of the doubt in supposing that this imposition is rare and unusual. Now if your DH enters the line with an empty cart and you enter with 40 items in a basket and dump it into the cart, that is going to disgruntle your fellow shoppers. *Everyone* I've ever known tries to join the checkout line with the least number of items in the carts ahead of them. Which again illustrates the fact that the poster drew an invalid comparison. Its the carts and the number of items in the carts that count for "how long the line is" in a supermarket checkout - not the number of shoppers.

 

[Peter Fan]

Dumbest analogy ever - thanks for the interesting mental picture though

Wasn't my analogy!

 

[Peter Fan]

No it wouldn't. Smoking outside of the designated areas is a perfect example. You see a lot of people doing so, and yet don't often see a CM make them stop. Just because someone gets away with doing something, that doesn't mean it is fine with Disney.

I always see cm telling people they can't smoke there.

 

[tlkgt76]

And as I read this thread I think why cant people learn to stand in line like they learned in K, and why cant they learn to use the potty they get in line before like my parents always said before long car trips

And where all these CMs to get "involved" from either side of the argument. I dont see these CMs in the middle of the lines

Technically, I've seen Kindergarteners leave a line to go to the bathroom and return to their original spot when they're done. I've seen teachers take those kids out of the line to take them to the bathroom then they place the kid back in their original spot. Just a thought.

I believe most people do go to the bathroom before they get in line, but expecting anybody especially a child to hold it for another possibly 90+ minutes and NEVER have to go is unrealistic. It happens, and just like many other situations as parents we fix the issue and move on. Also, as with my original example, I didn't know when I entered the line that my blood sugar would drop or rise and I'd need to exit. That's the whole point. If I did know, I wouldn't be in that situation to begin with.

 

[Mkrop]

Technically, I've seen Kindergarteners leave a line to go to the bathroom and return to their original spot when they're done. I've seen teachers take those kids out of the line to take them to the bathroom then they place the kid back in their original spot. Just a thought.I believe most people do go to the bathroom before they get in line, but expecting anybody especially a child to hold it for another possibly 90+ minutes and NEVER have to go is unrealistic. It happens, and just like many other situations as parents we fix the issue and move on. Also, as with my original example, I didn't know when I entered the line that my blood sugar would drop or rise and I'd need to exit. That's the whole point. If I did know, I wouldn't be in that situation to begin with.

Then I dont want my kids to go to K where you see this happen, I want them to learn about fairness and properly standing in line and waiting their turn. I want them to learn to be courteous by waiting their turn. I have never seen a teacher (and I volunteered alot when my kids were in K) ever put a kid back in line. And wouldnt the line be for the bathroom

Also we dont stand in 90 minute lines even in summer time, so maybe this is why I dont get the need to get out for a bathroom break. And if I was entering a line with a 90 minute wait (which no ride is worth that) I would have everyone hit the bathroom prior.

You are blood sugar issue is a great reason that you may need to excuse from the line and reentering, if only those folks were doing it than this most likely would not be an issue. But I also know us, and if one of needed to take care of a medical need, one would leave and skipt riding or we would all leave and comeback later and ride togehter if that was important to us. I am sorry you have to deal with the shots, doesnt sound fun at all.

 

[nuge67]

What if we all just cut, wouldn't it just make things easier?

 

[Brian_WDW74]

Just a reminder, gang. It is against DISboards posting guidelines to post sarcastic and/or argumentative messages on the boards. I have deleted several messages that were nothing but back and forth arguments between members. Please keep the conversation in this thread civil and ON TOPIC. Thanks.

 

[Ds4angels]

Sorry these parents are.raising a child that is confident assertive NOT agressive and standingup for himself, someone with a moral code of values and ethics, a sense of fairness I have no doubt he will grow up and give something to this world
Parents should be proud of his behavior


The other 2 oh yes this is how it begins the give me or I'll take it mindset
Their parents should be especially proud, maybe values.com could help na the guilty never think its aimed at them

Thank you. I have twin boys who are 20, they are polite, kind and will help whoever needs it, but they will also call out people on poor behavior.
Little ones who have to use the bathroom, not line jumpers. IMHO

 

[ttintagel]

What if we all just cut, wouldn't it just make things easier?

Exactly! Then EVERYONE would be at the front of the line!

 

[Sam81]

I'm just shocked. Because I am considered Disney Elite, I have never actually waited in a line for more than 10 minutes. Who are these people waiting hours? So no, I have never experienced line cutting. And if you toured smart you would not either.

 

[Peter Fan]

Then I dont want my kids to go to K where you see this happen, I want them to learn about fairness and properly standing in line and waiting their turn. I want them to learn to be courteous by waiting their turn. I have never seen a teacher (and I volunteered alot when my kids were in K) ever put a kid back in line. And wouldnt the line be for the bathroom

Also we dont stand in 90 minute lines even in summer time, so maybe this is why I dont get the need to get out for a bathroom break. And if I was entering a line with a 90 minute wait (which no ride is worth that) I would have everyone hit the bathroom prior.

You are blood sugar issue is a great reason that you may need to excuse from the line and reentering, if only those folks were doing it than this most likely would not be an issue. But I also know us, and if one of needed to take care of a medical need, one would leave and skipt riding or we would all leave and comeback later and ride togehter if that was important to us. I am sorry you have to deal with the shots, doesnt sound fun at all.

So are you going to say "excuse me did you leave the line to pee or a blood sugar low?"

 

[Mkrop]

So are you going to say "excuse me did you leave the line to pee or a blood sugar low?"

Ummm no.. I usually dont question anyone.

My hope would be that they would take the lessons they learned in K and apply them in real life. That the person themselves would make a fair decision about removing themselves from the line. Is it a medical emergency or did the ability not to plan before getting in the line constiute getting out?

If something is not fair to all in the line, then I dont think it should be a general practice.

I will say it again bc no one seems to want to address this issue, how is this line "holding" fair to those who do not have the person to hold the space in line. Until it is fair to have everyone be able to leave and then rejoin the line,than barring a true medical emergency this practice should be curtailed.

Maybe Disney should have CMs hold the spot for the solo travelor or the single parent whose child needs to pee, like the do at the Academy Awards

 

[dadddio]

Not in my experience.

Teenagers in front of us at RnRC a couple years ago called in a few friends to join them in line. We were about 15 minutes into the line at that point, and a lady behind us told them she was going to report them if they didn't leave the line. Shouting ensued, with very unflattering words being thrown at the lady. She finally had enough and went out to get a CM.

I hope that you didn't let her back in line. Once she left, she should have gone to the back.

 

[#1DopeyFan]

I hope that you didn't let her back in line. Once she left, she should have gone to the back.

PP said the lady was BEHIND them.

 

[princessallegra]

I personally can't imagine waiting on line for a ride and having to leave to go to the bathroom, and then "scuze me-ing" the whole way back to my party. That's just me. (Not talking about kiddos here). And I have an intestinal disorder that when I gotta go, I gotta go. It hasn't happened yet where I've had to leave the line, luckily. All the attacks I've had have happened while touring more. I'll never forget one MVMCP year :-( If it did happen (would be a first in over 8 trips) I suppose I would go to guest services and explain what happened and hope for maybe a FP so we could get to ride. If not, oh well.