Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[xuxa777]

No, not true. Places like Disney and football games infect TONS more people then gently opening a little at a time. We need to have gatherings of 10, then 50, then 100 with no big spikes. If there is a spike, back off a little. So Disney would be irresponsible and liable for suits if they spread it.

That has not been proven with this virus and only is an assumption at this point, long sustained exposure appears to be the primary vector of transmission according to the data.

and as a data point Denmark is opening schools and day care centers on the 15th, they peaked about the same time it appears Florida did early April, and have had more deaths per capita than Florida , be interesting to see how that plays out

 

[jlwhitney]

Some businesses will reopen soon but places with mass gatherings won't be opening soon. The economy will come back.

I guess what is hard to say is what is considered a mass gathering , like how many? There is a big difference between say a kids soccer game, or dance recital vs a Full arena packed for a concert. Same thing with a local town festival vs a theme park.

 

[jade1]

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

I can't imagine how counter service will work.

If we all stand 6 feet apart the lines will be in the parking lot!

Pre-ordering via MDE app only is one idea that's been floated here to reduce the lines at QS. The problem with that is how do those without a smartphone order their food? A touchscreen kiosk as an alternative is problematic since everyone has to touch it. Perhaps install drive-thru like speaker/menu? But then you'll still have lines backed up behind that.

There's no simple answer... except limit attendance to me and NPH!

 

[xuxa777]

I would LOVE to see proof of this, because this is contrary to everything everyone has said. I mean, obviously common sense says the greatest risk is long sustained exposure. An elementary school child could tell you that. But, that doesn't mean that mass gatherings are safe, because the majority of cases are being contracted through public exposure. Better yet, show me data that says mass gatherings and being in public is safe, and not a risk factor for transmission. I expect I'll be waiting a long time...

It was said in the Presidential briefing last Tuesday or Wednesday as the new CDC guidance coming out.

Deborah Birx explained why the White House and CDC considered the change.
“It looks at degree of exposure and really making it clear that exposure occurs within 6 feet for more than 15 minutes, so really understanding where you shouldn’t be within 6 feet of people right now," Birx told.

As for mass gatherings, no one officially will say that but now of course, we have to get the small business back open first , but from what the data looks like it doesn't look like that is going to be the case, again opinion.

 

[rteetz]

Changing the subject a bit - I wonder what the impact will be on with investment in the parks. I guess pretty much everything already being worked on will be completed as planned.

But with however many million hole in the budget I guess future investments in the parks will be under review. No new monorail for a few more years? No replacements for all the parades we have lost over the years?

Lots of discussion on this taking place already. I have posted updates to that in this thread but tends to get buried. I also have posted about it in other threads.

Lots of changes are in the works with projects. Nothing is official yet I believe.

 

[b2k1121]

I agree that some form of social distancing should remain in place for "a while" (I'm sure we all have different ideas on how long that is). But what form "social distancing" takes has to also adapt from the current situation.

In it's current form, "social distancing" is putting millions of people out of work. I'm all in favor of saving lives, but is it an acceptable trade-off for millions to lose their homes and be out on the street? What becomes of those homeless families?

We have to find a middle ground that mitigates the risks without making the cure worse than the disease. I'm not suggesting that the economy is more important than people's lives... but in many ways the economy IS lives. All of the potentially homeless families on the street because they lost their jobs as a result of social distancing measures deserve some care and compassion too! People need to get back to work. We have to accept some level of risk for that to happen.

Aren't we doing the 'middle ground' right now? Most people are getting a stimulus check with likely more on the way. Almost everyone with a mortgage can defer payments or be granted forbearance. Foreclosures and evictions are being paused. Small businesses can get forgivable PPP loans and EIDL grants/loans that don't have to be paid back at all. Unemployment is getting started and paying everyone on unemployment $600/week on top of the normal state unemployment so most unemployed people are making more than they did when they were working. This is expanded to independent contractors and self employed individuals.

Obviously this isn't sustainable forever, but I believe this is the middle ground you are suggesting.

People are creating a false choice between a good economy and stay at home orders. Simply proclaiming 'Everything is open now!' isn't going to help the economy much when half the people are still too scared to go out in public and hospitals are now not able to handle the influx of patients. It's not as simple as just 'getting back to work'.

 

[mshanson3121]

It was said in the Presidential briefing last Tuesday or Wednesday as the new CDC guidance coming out.

Deborah Birx explained why the White House and CDC considered the change.
“It looks at degree of exposure and really making it clear that exposure occurs within 6 feet for more than 15 minutes, so really understanding where you shouldn’t be within 6 feet of people right now," Birx told.

Oh that's a huge relief then because nobody is ever within 6' of someone else for more than 15 minutes at Disney, arenas, dance recitals, movie theatres, sporting events.... So they're definitely low risk.

 

[gottalovepluto]

Pre-ordering via MDE app only is one idea that's been floated here to reduce the lines at QS. The problem with that is how do those without a smartphone order their food? A touchscreen kiosk as an alternative is problematic since everyone has to touch it. Perhaps install drive-thru like speaker/menu? But then you'll still have lines backed up behind that.

There's no simple answer... except limit attendance to me and NPH!

...Disney can’t even figure out how to accept gift cards or charge to the room from the app. I don’t think they’re ready for big league mobile ordering.

 

[xuxa777]

Oh that's a huge relief then because nobody is ever within 6' of someone else for more than 15 minutes at Disney, arenas, dance recitals, movie theatres, sporting events.... So they're definitely low risk.

Realistically outside the queues, and waiting for fireworks in the masses there generally aren't that many places in the parks where you are next to the same person for 15 minutes or more. Yes I didn't name all the places, but overall it is not that many. In places that you are adjustments can be made. No fireworks or parades for the time being, spacing on transportation, etc. Also keep in mind CDC's guidance is very conservative, I expect it to loosen even more as we learn more.

 

[Runnsally]

you know there is a lot of bickering going on back and forth on this thread. 90% of this thread is all opinionated. Everyone has the right to have their own opinion but don't bash other people if their opinion is different than yours.

Things will start to open up pretty soon. Some states will open sooner than others. Parts of some states will open sooner than others.

ALWAYS do what's best for you and your family. If you feel its not safe to go out THEN DO NOT GO OUT. If someone else feels it is safe to go, it's their right to go and you really have no say in that just as they shouldn't bash you for staying home.

If Disney does open sooner than people think (or want it to for that point) NO ONE is forcing you to go. If you don't want to go then don't go. If you want to go and you think its safe then have fun and enjoy your vacation.

It’s also nice to think about public health and the effect you and your family’s decisions may have on public health. It’s also why there is rule of law...folks can’t always exercise their individual freedoms if it creates an immediate danger to others.

 

[anthony2k7]

Realistically outside the queues, and waiting for fireworks in the masses there generally aren't that many places in the parks where you are next to the same person for 15 minutes or more. Yes I didn't name all the places, but overall it is not that many. In places that you are adjustments can be made. No fireworks or parades for the time being, spacing on transportation, etc. Also keep in mind CDC's guidance is very conservative, I expect it to loosen even more as we learn more.

Oh be serious. Disney is full of people stood/sat almost still. Trams/monorail/boats/buses/bag check queue/park entrance queue. And that's just before you get into the parks!!!!

Also, the 15 minutes just increases the odds. The more minutes you're near someone with it the more likely they will cough etc near you. That's not to say that someone wont cough near you within a few seconds of being near you.

 

[xuxa777]

Oh be serious. Disney is full of people stood/sat almost still. Trams/monorail/boats/buses/bag check queue/park entrance queue. And that's just before you get into the parks!!!!

Also, the 15 minutes just increases the odds. The more minutes you're near someone with it the more likely they will cough etc near you. That's not to say that someone wont cough near you within a few seconds of being near you.

Yes, as I said above outside the queues and transportation, not many and those situations can be mitigated.

 

[mshanson3121]

Yes, as I said above outside the queues and transportation, not many and those situations can be mitigated.

Festival of Lion King
Nemo
Bird show
Rivers of Light
Fantasmic
For the First Time in Forever
Voyage of the Little Mermaid
Indiana Jones
Carousel of Progress

Shall I continue? Because there's a lot more...

 

[lovethesun12]

Yes, as I said above outside the queues and transportation, not many and those situations can be mitigated.

How would you do disney without queues, fireworks or transportation?

I'm having trouble thinking of a time I'm not within 6' of someone at a Disney park.

 

[b2k1121]

Yes, as I said above outside the queues and transportation, not many and those situations can be mitigated.

So what you're saying is the only thing that is 'safe' is the time you spend walking between waiting in queues and taking some type of transportation. So about 30 minutes of your total Disney day is safe.

 

[mhautz]

I don't think Disney will have to be closed for 12-18 months. They just need to....<list of mitigation that for all intents and purposes would make it impossible for Disney to open>

 

[xuxa777]

As always, I understand and respect everyone's different opinion.

edited this post, no need to get into a debate over this, just rehashing the same things/opinions.

 

[xuxa777]

as far as a normal Disney at Christmas, Dr. Fauci just said this morning

"I would hope that by November we would have things under such control that we could have a real degree of normality."

 

[PetePanMan]

That’s crazy talk 50% capacity sounds great to me. I’ve been going since the 70s and I long for those times when the park was completely dead.

I like lower crowds too but won’t they also significantly reduce staff levels and ride capacity which impacts wait time and other guest experiences