Creation or Evolution - Which side are you on?

[Barbossa]

As a Christian, I believe the message is as Jesus Christ, (who was not "another mortal") said it was; "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, No man cometh unto the Father, except by Me".

By "mortal" I didn't mean Jesus himself, but other humans in our time who take it upon themselves to represent Him. Your beliefs are your own and that is a good thing for you. For myself, I take what I have heard spoken by mortals and read from books interpreted by mortals, and then form my own beliefs as to what Jesus is to me and what he wants from me and from mankind.

 

[kendodd]

Well, I have to say creation. I don't believe we evolved from a rock or a pile of goo. Our minds, brains, thinking processes, the way our eyes see and basically everything our bodies do couldn't possibly be done if we started as a rock. The way our bodies work and the way men and women are made to fit together so well....someone had to have created that!

If you follow that line of thinking, then you must accept that someone created the creator.

That's what gets me about creationism. People cannot accept the possibilty that life has evolved very slowly, over billions of years, that's too outrageous to be true. But thay can accept that it was all created by some supernatural being that apparently wasn't created by anything itself!

 

[mickeyfan2]

Where is the both option in the poll?

I believe in both.

 

[claudia]

If you follow that line of thinking, then you must accept that someone created the creator.

That's what gets me about creationism. People cannot accept the possibilty that life has evolved very slowly, over billions of years, that's too outrageous to be true. But thay can accept that it was all created by some supernatural being that apparently wasn't created by anything itself!

People who believe in creationism are faith based. They choose to believe that the Bible says that God created man. Not that God created something that eventually evolved into the beings that we are today. They also choose to believe that God was, is and will always be. Which means they do not believe someone created the creator. It's about faith, nothing more, nothing less.
It isn't that they "can't" accept ideas that evolutionist believe in, it is that they "choose" to believe in the faith they follow.
Everyone wants everyone else to think and feel as they do. Fortunately for all of us we are free to believe what we want. Be true to yourself...the rest really doesn't matter.

 

[Pigeon]

If you follow that line of thinking, then you must accept that someone created the creator.

That's what gets me about creationism. People cannot accept the possibilty that life has evolved very slowly, over billions of years, that's too outrageous to be true. But thay can accept that it was all created by some supernatural being that apparently wasn't created by anything itself!

Yup.

 

[Laura]

I voted evolution. But it's not a belief system. I don't believe in evolution in the same way that I don't believe in gravity. I know they are scientific facts and we're learning more about them and how they work.

 

[jsmith]

I didnt vote-partly because i dont think the person posting the poll really understands the complexity of the question they are asking. The short answer is i believe in both-what someone-Dawn i believe -cited as intelligent design. But-one of the things that never comes up in Creation vs Evolution discussions is that Man Created God-and that relgion was the beginning of science. Religon-whether it is Goddess worship-the monothestic followers of the One (God, G_d, Allah) or any relgious belief is the effort of the human mind to explain that which is unexplainable-Humans as a species have the need to understand rather than just accept. Does that mean there is no surpreme being-no it does not-what it does mean is that Science-whether it is evolutionary Theory, Theoretical Physics, chemistry, biology, geology and so on and religion of any kind are all efforts to reach the same goal-to understand and explain that which is. So there is no evolution vs creation-there is only that which is-and how we individually understand it.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

Science over fairy tales here!

I am Catholic if that matters, taught that the bible was full of stories not intended for literal translation.

 

[JoyG]

I believe in the Biblical account of creation. I take literally the story of Adam & Eve, etc. However, the Bible says:

2 Peter 3:7-9

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Exactly. I tend to believe in a literal Adam and Eve. However, before they were created thousands (millions?) of years could have passed in God's creation.

I would have voted for "both".

 

[Bust*A*Stitch]

So this all seeing, all knowing God, would sooner accept a liar who pretends to believe in him, than an honest skeptic?

No, and No.

As taught in the New Testament,
If you've had an honest teaching of him, and in my honest understanding of this it means you've read the word, and or been read the word, you have actually been taught it, you have a decision to make, its yes or no, no grey area.

If you believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, you’re getting in, if you don’t, your not.

Pretty stinking simple.

On the other hand, if you've only heard of him, have had no teachings, you haven't had a chance to make the decision, its an automatic pass to the best place to be, as long as you haven't publicly denounced him. (Yes it’s almost as bad as going to New York, yelling the YANKEES SUCK! but you've never seen a game.)

Basically most of the teachings in the bible are there to make you realize that
1. You’re not alone
2. You don't have to have the weight of the world on your shoulders,
3. If you’re big enough to have a little faith you can get through most of the crud that’s going on in your life.

It’s a good read as long as you realize most of Genesis is a record of bloodlines.

Yes Cain and Able married their sisters. But the Garden of Eden is not in Arkansas.

And look it up, most of the lands of the world, meaning those that have distinct physical features in the populace, at one time in all lands used to be called by the name of one of the multiple sons or grandsons of Noah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Noah

later.

Busta



The above was written at about 4am CST this morning. The DIS was not wanting to work when I wrote it up.

 

[claudia]

So this all seeing, all knowing God, would sooner accept a liar who pretends to believe in him, than an honest sceptic?

uh....NO. since He is all knowing, he knows your heart. If you don't believe in God, why would you pretend to?
From all of your posts, this concept is a hot issue for you.....that's fine, but constantly trying to "out logic" someone that has chosen to believe in God is ludacris. It's about personal choice. No one truly has to justify their choice to anyone else.

 

[claudia]

Science over fairy tales here!

I am Catholic if that matters, taught that the bible was full of stories not intended for literal translation.

I find that very interesting as I was raised Catholic, attended parochial school from K-12 and went to Mass every Sunday and never once was I taught that the Bible was full of stories....quite the opposite.

 

[helenabear]

I find that very interesting as I was raised Catholic, attended parochial school from K-12 and went to Mass every Sunday and never once was I taught that the Bible was full of stories....quite the opposite.

I think I have heard only a few people like you say that. I left Catholic school after 5th grade, but I was taught evolution in school and that most of the old testament were allegories/parables/stories (whatever you want to call them), not meant to be taken 100% literally. I thought that was standard Catholic dogma now.

 

[claudia]

I think I have heard only a few people like you say that. I left Catholic school after 5th grade, but I was taught evolution in school and that most of the old testament were allegories/parables/stories (whatever you want to call them), not meant to be taken 100% literally. I thought that was standard Catholic dogma now.

I graduated in 1973, and no longer have young children in school, so possibly it is an age thing. I have seen so many changes in the Catholic church over all these years and because I have not been in agreement with them I have been out of the church for quite some time now. But, it doesn't surprise me that the church would be teaching that these are just stories...so many other things have been changed in the church since I was young. Gosh, I used to listen to mass in Latin!!

 

[helenabear]

I graduated in 1973, and no longer have young children in school, so possibly it is an age thing. I have seen so many changes in the Catholic church over all these years and because I have not been in agreement with them I have been out of the church for quite some time now. But, it doesn't surprise me that the church would be teaching that these are just stories...so many other things have been changed in the church since I was young. Gosh, I used to listen to mass in Latin!!

Not sure it was an age thing. I know people in their retirement age who also were taught the way I was about not taking the OT literally (my parents told me as much as well). I've never been one to believe that Catholics were meant to take it literally ever. All the priests I have known have used the OT as a way to teach the desired "lesson" Not much more than that. I wonder if it was more regional or had to do with whomever was running the diocese at the time. This is one of the reasons why I like being Catholic. I couldn't deal if everything I read was an absolute with no way to interpret.

As another poster said, it is odd to say that evolution is a theory in the same sense as creationism or big bang or whatever. Mostly because it is a fact in my book, and not an explanation on how the world began anyway. Creationism only deals with how a world did begin, nothing else IMO.

 

[cats7494]

I believe in both creationism and limited evolution - I do not believe we came from ooze
Intelligent design is my belief - God created the world and let it evolve.

 

[toto2]

I have a few questions ( I answered evolution by the way):

The first one would be: Why ?

Why would a God creat the earth , and the Universe , and man , and stars , etc ?
Really.

The second one is , if God is perfect , why is his creation is soo imperfect. There are imperfections everywhere. We could alway say that at least our personnalty flaws are dur due to ourself , but our physical flaws , with are we so imperfect: Our mean or reproduction is far from perfect , you have to try often, it can be painfull , it sometimes work , all kind of defect can happen that makes reproduction impossible between two people, and we are only here talking about the physical aspect of it ! Why did he gave man nipples ? only to make women feel sorry that they cannot show theirs on the beach ? Why invent ( or design) viruses and microbs that can in a few days destroy is "perfect creation". Why is our prostate placed in such a way that , when male gets old he almost alway get prostate problems. Why is our skin soo thin that you can pierce it so easly ? Why did he create a sun that burn the skin of man ?

It is supposed to be perfect no ? Some people said that mean an women were such a perfect fit when procreation comes , so why is more complicated for woman to have sexual pleasure and so easy for the man ? And why so many difference in size in both sexes ( I wont give anymore details about what I mean her , I will be banned ! )

 

[BCDisneyFanatic]

Creationist - I've been touched by his noodley appendage (FSM).

Although I was raised catholic, as a former geologist I fully believe that the Earth is approximately 6 billion years old, and find it easier to accept the primordial ooze premise than any alternatives (short of flying spaghetti monsters, of course ).

 

[Bust*A*Stitch]

I have a few questions ( I answered evolution by the way):

The first one would be: Why ? Somthing to tinker with, think about the guy and his old car.

Why would a God creat the earth , and the Universe , and man , and stars , etc ?
Really.

The second one is , if God is perfect , why is his creation is soo imperfect. There are imperfections everywhere. We could alway say that at least our personnalty flaws are dur due to ourself , but our physical flaws , with are we so imperfect: Our mean or reproduction is far from perfect , you have to try often, it can be painfull , it sometimes work , all kind of defect can happen that makes reproduction impossible between two people, and we are only here talking about the physical aspect of it ! Why did he gave man nipples ? only to make women feel sorry that they cannot show theirs on the beach ? Why invent ( or design) viruses and microbs that can in a few days destroy is "perfect creation". Why is our prostate placed in such a way that , when male gets old he almost alway get prostate problems. Why is our skin soo thin that you can pierce it so easly ? Why did he create a sun that burn the skin of man ?

It is supposed to be perfect no ? Some people said that mean an women were such a perfect fit when procreation comes , so why is more complicated for woman to have sexual pleasure and so easy for the man ? And why so many difference in size in both sexes ( I wont give anymore details about what I mean her , I will be banned ! )

Theres a pretty good size of creationist scientist that think we as a planet are biologicaly de-evolving.

meaning that the perfect plan was at the begining, and is now unraveling, this hleps explain why some of the earliest people in the Bible were 500 yrs old and we are lucky to hit 90.

Think of it this way. Adam and Eve were PERFECT. Everytime they had a child, a copy of themselves hapened, but not a perfect copy. God made Adam and Eve, Adam and Eve made Cain and Able.
Take that thinking over the Thousands of years since this hapened, and lets just say there are now some serious issues in the blueprints that the bodies in question are using to make babies.

But most of your question can be answered do to enviroment.

A large populace with cancers grew up during WWII, they were either using large amounts of metals and chemicals to fight the war or to build the equipment for the guys to fight the war.

Those Americans had a baby boom, they were usualy living in an area somewhat near these factories and bases or geting water that flowed through these areas.

What do you think hapened to all the oils and lubes for the equipment to make the airplanes and tanks and stuff? Europe got to keep the bombs, but most of the other equipment came home, and either was destroyed, buried or put in storage.

Human involvement caused most of the problems you've mentioned, as for God, he's letting us live in the world we've remade with the decisions we've made.

And as a side note, as for the male/female pleasure issue, practice makes perfect. =D

 

[toto2]

So creation is not perfect if things like enviromnet can caus eit to deteriorate so much.

Are nipples on man a product of devolution ?

Viruses and microbs have alway been there. They were part of the "perfect plan" Why create someting that destroyes your perfect creation ?