Covid And The Rest of Us

[NFLDERS]

It's beyond true logic at this point. In Alberta for instance, we're just basically throwing every restriction at it and hoping something helps, while we look with trepidation to our countrymen in the large eastern provinces and see that nothing really does. One specific thing here that stands out is that at midnight tonight all hair salons will close indefinitely. Pure nonsense on the face of it - they reopened in July with extremely strict measures in place and by the government's own information not one single transmission in Alberta has been traced to a hair salon.

I'm off today to get my last trim for god-knows-how-long and will be taking my stylist a huge cash tip, a bottle of wine and a little hamper of Christmas stuff. What a horrible way to head into the holidays.

IMHO Tracing does not work... sigh.

 

[Planogirl]

The impact on individuals and businesses is very sad. I do wonder if business would have been down enough to still cause harm without restrictions though. It's also possible that COVID numbers would have been even higher. I guess that there is no way to know.

Nothing seems to work except being an island.

 

[ronandannette]

YES! FRUSTRATING!!

Hamilton my hometown should have gone into Grey Lockdown in MHO, but because the hospitals still have beds!?

But to what good end? Is it helping in the GTA or Peel? It's so heartbreaking - those of us that are compliant are continuing to comply with every new thing that comes down the line but the reductions in cases and deaths have not diminished.

And with every new restriction without a positive outcome we inch closer to more and more people who have been "doing the right thing" beginning to draw their own lines in the sand. Further "public" restrictions at this point will only lead to more "private" non-compliance. Example: three weeks ago small groups (up to 6) could meet for meals in restaurants where strict measures were in place, or meet outside for recreation or visits. Both things are completely prohibited now and some of those people will just continue to meet privately, in far more precarious settings.

Not to mention the reality of +45,000 Albertans in the restaurant sector alone being unemployed tomorrow morning, two weeks before Christmas. And max EI at 55% before tax is hardly a comfort, and it tops out at $573/week which is a pittance for higher wage earners.

 

[ronandannette]

The impact on individuals and businesses is very sad. I do wonder if business would have been down enough to still cause harm without restrictions though. It's also possible that COVID numbers would have been even higher. I guess that there is no way to know.

Nothing seems to work except being an island.

Lots of businesses in different sectors have closed voluntarily (if you could call it that) even when they were allowed to be open for those very reasons. There has been some federal and provincial government relief but it hasn't covered all the bases for everybody by a long-shot.

 

[ronandannette]

IMHO Tracing does not work... sigh.

An acronym you use frequently. How do you personally pick and choose which part of what the "officials" tell you that you willing to accept? While contact tracing everywhere has gotten quite overwhelmed, both the provincial and local municipal governments here have not entirely thrown in the towel. When they make a statement I take it at face value.

 

[jlwhitney]

IMHO Tracing does not work... sigh.

You can’t trace something that overlaps so many other illnesses like allergies and the cold let alone no symptoms. It’s not distinct like measles or small pox.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

The infection rate across Wales now stands at 430.1 per 100,000 people based on the seven days up to December 9.

 

[ronandannette]

Oh we are doing so bad in NL.... Next Tuesday extra measures, no doubt. Our numbers have gone up and up and we have Belgians coming over to shop or go to the hairdressers here...

Video entitled "Dutch Cat Sees a Belgian Coming"

Seriously though - what is up with Belgium?!? According to Worldometer, they have the highest rate of deaths/per million of any country on earth. Can you give us any insight? I don't think we've got any Belgian friends participating here.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

[mom2rtk]

But to what good end? Is it helping in the GTA or Peel? It's so heartbreaking - those of us that are compliant are continuing to comply with every new thing that comes down the line but the reductions in cases and deaths have not diminished.

And with every new restriction without a positive outcome we inch closer to more and more people who have been "doing the right thing" beginning to draw their own lines in the sand. Further "public" restrictions at this point will only lead to more "private" non-compliance. Example: three weeks ago small groups (up to 6) could meet for meals in restaurants where strict measures were in place, or meet outside for recreation or visits. Both things are completely prohibited now and some of those people will just continue to meet privately, in far more precarious settings.

Not to mention the reality of +45,000 Albertans in the restaurant sector alone being unemployed tomorrow morning, two weeks before Christmas. And max EI at 55% before tax is hardly a comfort, and it tops out at $573/week which is a pittance for higher wage earners.

Max unemployment here is $320/week.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The infection rate across Wales now stands at 430.1 per 100,000 people based on the seven days up to December 9.

I'm sorry say what!?

 

[Jrb1979]

You can’t trace something that overlaps so many other illnesses like allergies and the cold let alone no symptoms. It’s not distinct like measles or small pox.

You can trace it. Here at least when someone tests positive they ask them who they have been in contact with in the last 2 weeks. Where I work we had 5 cases in the last 2 weeks. With help from public health they trace who that person has worked with and those people get sent home and have to get tested.

 

[ronandannette]

Max unemployment here is $320/week.

For a while this spring we had a flat-rate federal Covid benefit of $2,000/month which was not scaled to previous income. It was a little better for some but in Canada the median household income is over $90,000 and $4,000 (taxable, by the way) for a two-earner household certainly didn't replace it. Now we are back to regular EI and lower-income earners (let's base it on a minimum wage of $15/hour) will only be getting $330/week before taxes. That's on par with yours and certainly not enough to survive on.

 

[NFLDERS]

Where does that leave the Territories? Granted, their cases are few compared to the south, but to exclude them just feels alarming somehow.

My cousin in Nunavut has said they are to receive Moderna once it is available, because of storage issues with the first out the gate vaccine.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/nunavut-officials-give-update-on-covid-19-situation-1.5836425

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Max unemployment here is $320/week.

KS is $488/week....if you can you know get your claim to be looked at and consistent money sent to you

However, the Extended Benefits Program they decided to not give a full extension to 20 weeks and instead stopped it at 13 weeks--today is actually the end date. BUT people who were eligible under the Extended Benefits Program can see if they are eligible under the Pandemic Unemployment Assistance Program. The conversation we had on that other thread about getting the claims and the money owed...it's like a nightmare circle here; how many programs and how many chasing of the funds do people have to do here

 

[ronandannette]

I'm sorry say what!?

What part of that shocks you? The US is at 4,924 per 100,000.

 

[NFLDERS]

^Updated my last post to include Nunavut Territory's vaccination information.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

What part of that shocks you? The US is at 4,924 per 100,000.

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That Wales is so high. The poster said their infection rate/100K in the last 7 days not total. I was remembering the conversation we had with their restriction such as no alcohol at cafes, restaurants, etc and 6pm closure times.

But to that point this is what the CDC (take it for what you will) reflects:

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

I was remembering the conversation we had with their restriction such as no alcohol at cafes, restaurants, etc and 6pm closure times.

True. How can this be?!!!

 

[Karin1984]

Video entitled "Dutch Cat Sees a Belgian Coming"

Seriously though - what is up with Belgium?!? According to Worldometer, they have the highest rate of deaths/per million of any country on earth. Can you give us any insight? I don't think we've got any Belgian friends participating here.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Belgium is counting different, at least they did in the beginning of the pandemic, when it came to their deaths. If there was a small suspicion that the person might have had covid at the time of dying, it was counted in the overall figures. So their death figures are very different from ours. I think if we counted the same, we probably be equal. NL probably doing a bit worse, as NL is slightly bigger than BE.

I've read of one superspreader in a Belgian nursing home. They had a Sinterklaas celebration, and the son of one of the people living in the nursing home went by all the rooms to give a gift. No celebration in a common room, just one guy who turned out to be extremely contagious afterwards.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

True. How can this be?!!!

It's been just under 2 weeks right? Maybe you'll see a reduction in cases in another week or two. It takes time for them to see a trend if going downwards after a restriction is put in to place. But.....the more time drags on the more the more you gotta wonder about the restriction. Hopefully your rate is 'peaking' if you will and will go back down Please keep us updated because I've been wondering about y'all on that.