Covid And The Rest of Us

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I need to vent for a second and maybe this isn't the place for it, but since it's a covid thread..... Here goes..

We own a few restaurants. My husband started this business 15 years or so ago. He's busted his behind working upwards of 80 hrs a week most of the time. As a family we've made sacrifices and adjustments working towards his goal of being able to have everything stable enough that he could me home most of the time and have a general manager that oversaw everything. We were sooo close. Like in December we took the final step in a series of moves that I won't bore you with, but it was a significant layout of cash. Which would have been fine, because in a year, with normal sales, we would have recouped that, and normal cash flow would have allowed us to still pay bills. Then Covid. Only one of our restaurants has been able to reopen due to local restrictions. Sales are down there about 30%. We've literally put everything we have towards trying to survive this, and it's just not going to happen. Banks still want their money. Utilities and taxes and rent still have to be paid. the $ from the PPP act and stuff only went so far with 300 employees. We simply can't recover from this. And then I see friends on FB who really haven't suffered at all financially from this talking about the ppl who want businesses to stay open are selfish and awful people. Thats all well and good and I completely understand where they are coming from. But on the other side of that, there are millions of people watching their dreams and entire livelihoods go down the drain right now. And those people aren't selfish awful people for wanting to find a way to survive this. They aren't horrible for wanting to find a way to safely remain open. First world problem, I know. But I think sometimes its easy for people to only focus on the big companies like walmart or whatever, and how they can totally financially make it through this, without ever taking into account how this affects small business owners.

I am so very sorry dez. Please don't think that everyone who supports tough strategies doesn't see or think of the other side of those decisions. We do. I do. Daily. I know thinking about the repercussions does very little for your situation, but just wanted you to know that it is not clear cut for many.
 
Well I landed on this crazy visual tonight. I am in lockdown, have been a couple of times throughout Covid. But areas surrounding Toronto proper are not.

I needed to see my sister for some pretty crucial reasons, plus some selfish ones.

I am so used to lockdown I literally saw a mall parking lot packed and went "What are all those cars doing there? :scratchin What? What's going on? Oh wait, you're not in lockdown".

It literally took me a minute for my brain to compute. Unreal.

Anyway, the roads were full of cars, like a perpetual rush hour. Every parking lot was full of cars. Cars, cars and more cars.

It was almost like Daddy says you're grounded and they all snuck out.

I guess this is why our numbers are up. Sigh.

My sister thought it was a "just in case we are going to be put in lockdown too" free-for-all.

(And yes I added to the nonsense by travelling out there! But I still couldn't believe it.)
 
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Saw a news story this week that highlighted my death versus death from Covid/isolation comparison.

A hospital had created a larger lounge for Covid patients, so it had the space to social distance -for those that are still mobile.

Why?

Because the doctor was convinced that some patients were literally dying from isolation/loneliness.

A scientific rational mind thinks isolation/loneliness while ill is that big of a factor against possible recovery from Covid.

And in other news - I saw a story tonight about man who had lost four of his siblings to Covid. I just can't. :sad1:
 
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I am so very sorry dez. Please don't think that everyone who supports tough strategies doesn't see or think of the other side of those decisions. We do. I do. Daily. I know thinking about the repercussions does very little for your situation, but just wanted you to know that it is not clear cut for many.
They don’t see or think of the other side enough to personally help out with others bills. I haven’t seen it.
 

They don’t see or think of the other side enough to personally help out with others bills. I haven’t seen it.
:sad1: As I've said before, there simply isn't enough money, public or private, to stop the personal devastation to countless families and their livelihoods. It's a tragedy of epic scale that is yet just another part of this Covid nightmare. That doesn't mean that those of us who are fortunate enough to still be employed aren't doing what we can to help - many of us are.
 
Well I landed on this crazy visual tonight. I am in lockdown, have been a couple of times throughout Covid. But areas surrounding Toronto proper are not.

I needed to see my sister for some pretty crucial reasons, plus some selfish ones.

I am so used to lockdown I literally saw a mall parking lot packed and went "What are all those cars doing there? :scratchin What? What's going on? Oh wait, you're not in lockdown".

It literally took me a minute for my brain to compute. Unreal.

Anyway, the roads were full of cars, like a perpetual rush hour. Every parking lot was full of cars. Cars, cars and more cars.

It was almost like Daddy says you're grounded and they all snuck out.

I guess this is why our numbers are up. Sigh.

My sister thought it was a "just in case we are going to be put in lockdown too" free-for-all.

(And yes I added to the nonsense by travelling out there! But I still couldn't believe it.)
:hug: Am I correct that you live alone? Here our restrictions completely prohibit social contact with anyone outside our immediate household either indoors or out, in public or private settings. BUT people who live alone are permitted to designate two others as "essential personal contacts" and are able to meet with them (i.e. your sister). Is it the same in Ontario? I'm also curious about your comment regarding "travelling nonsense". What exactly did you mean? Is there a curfew or limited distances you can be away from your home? Did you do anything wrong?
 
:sad1: As I've said before, there simply isn't enough money, public or private, to stop the personal devastation to countless families and their livelihoods. It's a tragedy of epic scale that is yet just another part of this Covid nightmare. That doesn't mean that those of us who are fortunate enough to still be employed aren't doing what we can to help - many of us are.
Which is why government shouldn't just go around closing stuff "out of an abundance of caution". If the science isn't there to close outdoor dining, for example, the cost is just too high to move forward with it. There needs to be compelling evidence to justify it.
 
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Which is why government shouldn't just go around closing stuff "out of an abundance of caution". If the science isn't there to close outdoor dining, for example, the cost is just too high to move forward with it. There needs to be compelling evidence to justify it.
:sad1: It's beyond true logic at this point. In Alberta for instance, we're just basically throwing every restriction at it and hoping something helps, while we look with trepidation to our countrymen in the large eastern provinces and see that nothing really does. One specific thing here that stands out is that at midnight tonight all hair salons will close indefinitely. Pure nonsense on the face of it - they reopened in July with extremely strict measures in place and by the government's own information not one single transmission in Alberta has been traced to a hair salon.

I'm off today to get my last trim for god-knows-how-long and will be taking my stylist a huge cash tip, a bottle of wine and a little hamper of Christmas stuff. What a horrible way to head into the holidays. :sad1:
 
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:sad1: It's beyond true logic at this point. In Alberta for instance, we're just basically throwing every restriction at it and hoping something helps, while we look with trepidation to our countrymen in the large eastern provinces and see that basically nothing really does. One specific thing here that stands out is that at midnight tonight all hair salons will close indefinitely. Pure nonsense on the face of it - they reopened in July with extremely strict measures in place and by the government's own information not one single transmission in Alberta has been traced to a hair salon.

I'm off today to get my last trim for god-knows-how-long and will be taking my stylist a huge cash tip, a bottle of wine and a little hamper of Christmas stuff. What a horrible way to head into the holidays. :sad1:
I know it's horrible and from everything being said Niagara where I am will be going into lockdown again soon. Yes it feels like they are throwing things at the wall and see what sticks. What they should be focusing on is getting people to stop having gatherings of any kind at home. That's where the majority of cases come from but I don't know how to enforce that.
 
I know it's horrible and from everything being said Niagara where I am will be going into lockdown again soon. Yes it feels like they are throwing things at the wall and see what sticks. What they should be focusing on is getting people to stop having gatherings of any kind at home. That's where the majority of cases come from.
We're doing that too - since two weeks ago we are under full prohibition of any in-home contact with anybody with an exception for essential/emergency services. And they are not playing - we've got snitch lines and daily news reports of people being ticketed (enforcement is under municipal by-law so not a criminal offence as of yet).
 
We're doing that too - since two weeks ago we are under full prohibition of any in-home contact with anybody with an exception for essential/emergency services. And they are not playing - we've got snitch lines and daily news reports of people being ticketed (enforcement is under municipal by-law so not a criminal offence as of yet).
Its happening here too. People in Toronto and Peel, who are in lockdown, are still traveling to other parts of the province. The number of people from the GTA coming to Niagara on weekends is ridiculous. Then you have people in York and Windsor who start lockdown on Monday doing a bunch of non essential shopping before then.
 
We're doing that too - since two weeks ago we are under full prohibition of any in-home contact with anybody with an exception for essential/emergency services. And they are not playing - we've got snitch lines and daily news reports of people being ticketed (enforcement is under municipal by-law so not a criminal offence as of yet).
Cuba has ways of snitching on it’s people to the government. It’s really not a good thing to start or have.
 
Its happening here too. People in Toronto and Peel, who are in lockdown, are still traveling to other parts of the province. The number of people from the GTA coming to Niagara on weekends is ridiculous. Then you have people in York and Windsor who start lockdown on Monday doing a bunch of non essential shopping before then.

YES! FRUSTRATING!!

Hamilton my hometown should have gone into Grey Lockdown in MHO, but because the hospitals still have beds!?
 
:sad1: It's beyond true logic at this point. In Alberta for instance, we're just basically throwing every restriction at it and hoping something helps, while we look with trepidation to our countrymen in the large eastern provinces and see that nothing really does. One specific thing here that stands out is that at midnight tonight all hair salons will close indefinitely. Pure nonsense on the face of it - they reopened in July with extremely strict measures in place and by the government's own information not one single transmission in Alberta has been traced to a hair salon.

I'm off today to get my last trim for god-knows-how-long and will be taking my stylist a huge cash tip, a bottle of wine and a little hamper of Christmas stuff. What a horrible way to head into the holidays. :sad1:
It's almost like these measures are punishment now for the whole for the actions of a minority that will never follow any rule.
 
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It's almost like these measures are punishment now for whole the actions of a minority that will never follow any rule.
If they could find a way to get people to limit their gatherings it would make things better.
 
YES! FRUSTRATING!!

Hamilton my hometown should have gone into Grey Lockdown in MHO, but because the hospitals still have beds!?
I can see them going into lockdown soon. Niagara is probably going into red next week. Our numbers keep rising.
 
Oh we are doing so bad in NL.... Next Tuesday extra measures, no doubt. Our numbers have gone up and up and we have Belgians coming over to shop or go to the hairdressers here...


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If they could find a way to get people to limit their gatherings it would make things better.
If the gatherings are in people's homes that becomes an issue of how to do something. The general rule followers will likely follow the rules that say you can only have X amount of people in your bubble, etc. And to someone's observation how do you know that so and so isn't in your bubble (it comes out later after something has happened).

I mentioned on another thread that's why it would be IMO good for psychologists, sociologists and medical professionals with knowledge about adjusting people's behavior to come together for many of the places struggling with private gatherings;it's just restriction after restriction that seemingly go in just a big wide circle. The method and the message TBH don't really seem to be conducive to curb those reluctant to follow all rules as set forth. Not only that but the method and the message about said rules don't appeal to people beyond "I want to follow the rules even if they don't make sense to be because that's just what I do" type of people.

It sorta reminds me of when the protests were happening in May in my area. One of the doctors for the main hospital system spoke about them. He said he can only give his opinion on the health and safety aspects of a protest NOT the legal rights about protests and not the societal reasons for a protest.
 
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