Covid And The Rest of Us

[Jrb1979]

You continue to miss her point. It’s your privilege that allows you to say that. Just like I can handle the restrictions I’m under here. We haven’t lost our jobs and are still able to pay our bills. We still have access to our medical care, including routine vaccinations. That is not true of many in the world, especially in 3rd world countries and countries that survive because of tourism. @bavaria clearly laid out the many ways people around the globe are being affected and you either are choosing to ignore it or will never get it.

I'm not ignoring it and I do get it. Yes it's sad what's happening around the globe. Why should we just let people come and go as they please? If you really believe that the quarantine rules should just go away then what's the answer to stop people from bringing Covid in. I'm sorry but that's how this crap started to begin with.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I'm not ignoring it and I do get it. Yes it's sad what's happening around the globe. Why should we just let people come and go as they please? If you really believe that the quarantine rules should just go away then what's the answer to stop people from bringing Covid in. I'm sorry but that's how this crap started to begin with.

There’s no COVID where you live? I think we should use precautions and proceed carefully. It’s unrealistic to lock everything down until the virus is eradicated. Not likely to happen. You are making the “cure” worse than the illness. JMO

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm not ignoring it and I do get it. Yes it's sad what's happening around the globe. Why should we just let people come and go as they please? If you really believe that the quarantine rules should just go away then what's the answer to stop people from bringing Covid in. I'm sorry but that's how this crap started to begin with.

That's at least one reason I think you're on the other side of the sand so to speak. There was at least a portion of us that called for a balance many many months ago when this was all starting. You can only swing one side or the other before something gives. So is the answer to let COVID run rampant in any given country? No. But is the answer to let any given country fall, the citizens of any given country suffer unimaginably just in other ways other than COVID? No.

Ironically, and I say this respectfully, at least of few of us posters are discussing quite horrifying things, like extreme poverty, economic disparities, regions of the world of which decades of improvement virtually obliterates in all but what 7,8 months?, child marriage as a band-aid to economic ruin, immunization reduction (if a country can even get the vaccines they used to get or as many), hunger, cancer research and treatment setbacks, and so much more, but because it's not COVID you say "yes it's sad what's happening around the globe".

COVID is a very real, can be very devastating (yes even if one lives there are health issues that stick around) and the death toll on a level of which it's hard to even grasp but that does not make other things only worth a virtual shrug because we'll be darned if we let any cases with COVID into a country. FWIW countries have struggled with balancing their medical vulnerabilities and COVID but we've all seen when they have had to make concessions because of other ramifications that having them making COVID take a backseat.

 

[Jrb1979]

There’s no COVID where you live? I think we should use precautions and proceed carefully. It’s unrealistic to lock everything down until the virus is eradicated. Not likely to happen. You are making the “cure” worse than the illness. JMO

That is what's happening here. Outside of mandatory quarantine when you come into the country everything is proceeding with caution. They did close things again in Toronto area but that's cause of the high level of cases. I really don't see the big deal is with the quarantine issue. I think too many are making too big a deal about it. IMO for the quarantine to go away they need better contact tracing system and screening at the airports. I don't expect the virus to be able eradicated but I do expect systems in place to slow any spread from people coming into Canada. I get people are tired of this whole thing but it doesn't mean we should just drop everything and go back to normal.

 

[amylevan]

I'm not ignoring it and I do get it. Yes it's sad what's happening around the globe. Why should we just let people come and go as they please? If you really believe that the quarantine rules should just go away then what's the answer to stop people from bringing Covid in. I'm sorry but that's how this crap started to begin with.

Isnt Covid already in? Preventing it from initially entering a country is fine, but once it’s already there, what’s the point of restricting travel? You already have it. Last I checked Covid has long since left the gate.

 

[ronandannette]

Let's all do what Sweden did for their older population so the rest of us can go back to normal. They pretty much locked up their seniors and you have to have special permission to visit them. Is that what you want? Cause it sure sounds like it. I frankly have no problem with how Canada and Ontario has handled this.

Where in Ontario weren’t the care homes locked down? Here, for months and months they were. Residents were not even allowed out of their rooms let alone allowed outside. Absolutely zero visitors even at end-of-life which was a hideous tragedy. Care workers travelled from facility to facility taking the virus with them and eventually decimating their own numbers to the point that adequate staffing became a crisis. It’s better now by far that restrictions have eased.

And are you forgetting the military being deployed into facilities in Quebec and the nightmareish conditions they found there?

 

[Jrb1979]

Isnt Covid already in? Preventing it from initially entering a country is fine, but once it’s already there, what’s the point of restricting travel? You already have it. Last I checked Covid has long since left the gate.

I look at it as that up til the last week cases were somewhat under control and low. Travel isn't restricted just you have to quarantine when you enter Canada. IMO to get rid of the quarantine other systems have to been put in place. I would be ok in dropping the mandatory quarantine but a screening system has to be in place. Otherwise cases will skyrocket again.

 

[Jrb1979]

Where in Ontario weren’t the care homes locked down? Here, for months and months they were. Residents were not even allowed out of their rooms let alone allowed outside. Absolutely zero visitors even at end-of-life which was a hideous tragedy. Care workers travelled from facility to facility taking the virus with them and eventually decimating their own numbers to the point that adequate staffing became a crisis. It’s better now by far that restrictions have eased.

And are you forgetting the military being deployed into facilities in Quebec and the nightmareish conditions they found there?

They are locked down now. You have to have a Covid test before you can visit a care home. What I was responding to is @bavaria and how we should put something in place to protect the older population and let the rest of us go back to normal life.

 

[DisneyDebbie]

I wish I could say that my life is almost back to normal, that everything is open with limited capacity. But the fact is even in our privileged world in the US, there are complete industries that are decimated - Arts and Entertainment along with travel. So many people out of work and scrambling to survive. NYC (Broadway) isn't coming back until June 2021, I'm sure Vegas isn't doing that great, or LA, or Toronto, even Niagara on the Lake...

 

[NFLDERS]

https://nationalpost.com/health/new...-herd-immunity-critics-say-it-would-be-deadly

 

[TLSnell1981]

I wish I could say that my life is almost back to normal, that everything is open with limited capacity. But the fact is even in our privileged world in the US, there are complete industries that are decimated - Arts and Entertainment along with travel. So many people out of work and scrambling to survive. NYC (Broadway) isn't coming back until June 2021, I'm sure Vegas isn't doing that great, or LA, or Toronto, even Niagara on the Lake...

The repercussions are just beginning. The lockdowns will have devastating long term effects.

 

[Jrb1979]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-19-restrictions-1.5758025
This article here is why the border shouldn't open and restrictions dropped. In the last 3 weeks hospitalizations have increased 250% in Ontario due to Covid and now the older population are getting sick again.

 

[trvlgirlmq]

In the US many places just can't open because the people value their "freedom" to not wear a mask more than they value the economy. Except Florida where the governor thinks packing 60,000 non-mask wearing people into a stadium for football or a concert is a great idea. The US is a lost cause at this point and I fear we will be banned from travel to most countries or have it be very difficult to get in for a long time.

@bavaria I do FEAR this disease. It kills. If it doesn't kill it can leave you with weak lungs, vascular issues and other medical problems for the rest of your life. I think the fact you live in a country that had a better reaction is coloring your views. You preach to the rest of us but you have no idea what it's like to live in a country where political rhetoric is more important than science and saving lives.

 

[MommyinHonduras]

Well this thread took a turn in the past few days. I already had a few hidden so the conversation was weird just reading responses but not likely to hang out much long. But I am going to echo Mike Rowe, “Safety is never really first. No company, no nation, and no individual exist for the primary purpose of being safe. Sensible people understand that risk is a part of life, and that no amount of compliance will ever eliminate the inherent dangers that come from being alive. That’s not to say we should behave carelessly or live recklessly. We should always be prudent. But prudence and compliance are not the same thing, and we should look with deep suspicion upon self-proclaimed experts and professionals who tell us that safety is first, or worse, that ‘our safety is their responsibility.’” Those people are either selling something or running for office.”

 

[ronandannette]

Well this thread took a turn in the past few days. I already had a few hidden so the conversation was weird just reading responses but not likely to hang out much long. But I am going to echo Mike Rowe, “Safety is never really first. No company, no nation, and no individual exist for the primary purpose of being safe. Sensible people understand that risk is a part of life, and that no amount of compliance will ever eliminate the inherent dangers that come from being alive. That’s not to say we should behave carelessly or live recklessly. We should always be prudent. But prudence and compliance are not the same thing, and we should look with deep suspicion upon self-proclaimed experts and professionals who tell us that safety is first, or worse, that ‘our safety is their responsibility.’” Those people are either selling something or running for office.”

I’m not exactly sure what the bolded means but I hope you will continue to contribute. You have a unique regional perspective and we all really appreciate you bringing the plight of your country to our attention.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I was just about the say the same thing @ronandannette . Definitely don't want you @MommyinHonduras to leave the thread

 

[mommasita]

Well this thread took a turn in the past few days. I already had a few hidden so the conversation was weird just reading responses but not likely to hang out much long. But I am going to echo Mike Rowe, “Safety is never really first. No company, no nation, and no individual exist for the primary purpose of being safe. Sensible people understand that risk is a part of life, and that no amount of compliance will ever eliminate the inherent dangers that come from being alive. That’s not to say we should behave carelessly or live recklessly. We should always be prudent. But prudence and compliance are not the same thing, and we should look with deep suspicion upon self-proclaimed experts and professionals who tell us that safety is first, or worse, that ‘our safety is their responsibility.’” Those people are either selling something or running for office.”

i wanted to tell you that your family photos warmed my heart. I thought it was SO nice to see children playing and enjoying themselves,

I personally realize that I do have privileges living where I do, I don’t take them lightly. i have lost many things that I once honestly took for granted, so nothing, simply nothing to me is taken for granted, not even one day. I wish I had the answers, the resources to help more than I do in other areas not so fortunate. I think about it daily, and in my bed at night, where I never sleep anyway. Please know, I think of you and your family often as well as Honduras.

i fear I think more than your Average person, and that is on me. But, I think it’ll take awhile to break that. I fear that right now we are doing so poorly, deaths rising daily, cases as well. Our hospitals are apparently not supposed to be able to handle the influx by November. If my husband catches it agsin, not sure we will be so lucky.

I don’t think it’s prudent To open the borders here, it.s not safe for our own citizens who live here. Why can’t we do something like when we did “we are the world” to at least raise funds and get them to the countries most in need” the world needs more of this IMHO IN MAJOR WAYS.

It is also being reported @ronandannette that Quebec is reporting outbreaks, some major, at long term homes once again. It is Déjà-vu, because that does not go well.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

In the US many places just can't open because the people value their "freedom" to not wear a mask more than they value the economy. Except Florida where the governor thinks packing 60,000 non-mask wearing people into a stadium for football or a concert is a great idea. The US is a lost cause at this point and I fear we will be banned from travel to most countries or have it be very difficult to get in for a long time.

@bavaria I do FEAR this disease. It kills. If it doesn't kill it can leave you with weak lungs, vascular issues and other medical problems for the rest of your life. I think the fact you live in a country that had a better reaction is coloring your views. You preach to the rest of us but you have no idea what it's like to live in a country where political rhetoric is more important than science and saving lives.

I think what has been said repeatedly in this thread is that other countries want US travelers back, which, in a big way, supports their tourism industries.

 

[MommyinHonduras]

I think what has been said repeatedly in this thread is that other countries want US travelers back, which, in a big way, supports their tourism industries.

What some of are saying is that lockdowns hurt the poorest of the poor and add to the number of those counted as poorest. Yes the tourism industry is one way it is seen right away, but it's just a visual of a deeper reality. The most vulnerable were just told by most of the world they are non essential to the planet (nursing home residents and essential workers of the working class in the US who could not work from home included). We who can still function at home and in lockdown are declaring ourselves essential to the future. It's an old game that has not been played at this world wide level before and it's absolutely heartbreaking for those of us who see and understand this early what this means both currently and it the future. I know this is a DIS board, I am thankful to find a little place to vent, chat, hear from others that understand and seek to understand. It's so hard to wrap my mind around so many thinges in 2020. It started (for me) with so much hatred many Americans seem to have for their own country, the disregard for learning and history and facts, the amplification of difference for virtue points to spew condemnation and cancel anyone they deem irrelevant and then to the way the lockdowns have unfolded.

 

[Karin1984]

Happy Halloween from Disneyland Paris! The world might be on fire, but the villains do not care!