Conspiracy theory's

[rie'smom]

I remember watching the coverage of this event-there were about 7 of us in the room and we all said "LOOK AT THAT MISSILE" before the plane exploded. It was said that something fell "off" the plane and that accounted for the streak of light coming from the ground to the airplane--it isn't even a PLAUSIBLE theory for this one.




There was a lot of talk afterwards about the instability of the ground because the towers were pretty much built on quicksand contributing to the collapse as well. Honestly, this thread is the first time I have heard, in any seriousness anyway, that there was any doubt about what happened with these buildings .



I think you are mixing up your conspiracy theories--the conspiracy with the dropping of the bombs was not related to Pearl Harbor but the ending of the war and many people feeling that the war would have ended shortly even without dropping the bombs. The conspiracy around Pearl Harbor is that we knew the attack was coming and didn't do anything to prevent it--basically as a way for the US to get into the war to help relieve the depression.


I am 100% confident that our government doesn't tell us everything and may very well create some consipiricies--however I also think that it is done for the greater good or to protect innocent lives-or the lives of those involved (CIA, military, etc.). That doesn't mean that there aren't corrupt people in the government but I don't think that the majority of those in government are there to stick it to the people.

No, there has been speculation that Roosevelt wanted us in the war. He knew that Pearl harbor was going to be bombed, intelligence gathered showed it was coming but he did not warn the base. One of the reasons given has been the economy. War was great for getting us out of the Depression.

 

[maelstrom]

There was a lot of talk afterwards about the instability of the ground because the towers were pretty much built on quicksand contributing to the collapse as well. Honestly, this thread is the first time I have heard, in any seriousness anyway, that there was any doubt about what happened with these buildings .

Then you haven't read up on the subject enough. There is so much information out there that it will blow your mind.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I don't understand 9/11 conspiracy theories. Of course, governments have killed its own citizens in the past. But I don't see how a government-run genocide is the same thing as faking a terrorist attack. The motivation for the US right now to fake a terrorist attack just doesn't make sense. (I know false flag operations do exist, and the US were involved in some in other countries, and there were good reasons behind those).

What was the point? It wasn't oil, obviously. How would going to war with an oil rich country help lower the price of oil? Putting the Middle East into a confrontation wasn't going to make things cheaper. Oil prices since 9/11 have gone up tremendously. Unless that was what the government was trying to accomplish, I don't see any reason why it would fake 9/11 or "allow it to happen".

And look what else it lead to? Deficit spending. The US goes into two wars and turns a surplus into a deficit that still goes on 10 years later.

Unlike the WWII theory, the US was not in a big depression. We didn't need a war bad enough to take a terrorist attack.

And if the answer it "to make oil people money", I just can't fathom the idea. A government is going to pull off a fake terrorist attack, including using remote control planes or missiles or whatever, and previously placed charges in the Twin Towers, all at the same time silence the thousands of people it would take to do it, just to make some oil magnates richer?

I can't see any motive behind faking 9/11. At least not one important enough that it was worth treason.

 

[maelstrom]

I can't see any motive behind faking 9/11. At least not one important enough that it was worth treason.

The United States wanted to get into a war with the Middle East.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

The United States wanted to get into a war with the Middle East.

WHY? Did you miss the middle of my post? There's no good reason WHY. Not oil. Not to boost the economy. WHY?

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I think some hold more merit than others. There is a sense of reasonable doubt in some official explanations. But that doesn't mean the official explanation is by default wrong.

 

[136368]

As for the point that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to warp steel beams in the WTC, do remember that those jets did set fire to stuff in the towers themselves which WOULD have been hot enough to cause the appropriate damage.

 

[Disney Doll]

Nazi Germany and the Holocaust
Stalin's Great Purge
Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
The Iraqi Kurds. . . .

But none of those things were secrets.
They were things that occurred over time, that perhaps all other governments in the world "missed" or didn't want to get involved in or whatever. But they weren't really secrets.

In the case of 9/11, there would have to be a huge number of people involved to pull it off....do you think thatmany people could keep that much of a secret for this many years? I just don't think it's possible.

 

[golfgal]

No, there has been speculation that Roosevelt wanted us in the war. He knew that Pearl harbor was going to be bombed, intelligence gathered showed it was coming but he did not warn the base. One of the reasons given has been the economy. War was great for getting us out of the Depression.

I said that--it is a well known "fact" I guess that Roosevelt wanted us in the war, but getting us into the war wasn't so he could drop bombs on Japan-that came later-getting us into the war was to help the economy as I stated first. The Manhattan Project didn't start until AFTER the attack on Pearl Harbor.

 

[disneylovin24]

Motive aside, the question is which is more likely and feasible, terrorists flying planes into buildings and they crash down on their own or a fairly extensive conspiracy with lots of players to bring the buildings down?

Ummm let's see....considering how many previous times terrorists tried to attack the US and how much we know that they organization hated us....I think the terrorist one is MUCH easier to believe.

 

[crashbb]

Ummm let's see....considering how many previous times terrorists tried to attack the US and how much we know that they organization hated us....I think the terrorist one is MUCH easier to believe.

Perhaps all those other attempts were also, actually, by the US government. And they either failed on purpose or someone who wasn't actually involved "accidentally" stopped them.

 

[disneylovin24]

But none of those things were secrets.
They were things that occurred over time, that perhaps all other governments in the world "missed" or didn't want to get involved in or whatever. But they weren't really secrets.

In the case of 9/11, there would have to be a huge number of people involved to pull it off....do you think thatmany people could keep that much of a secret for this many years? I just don't think it's possible.

Once again this is mentioned and once again this is more then true! Also, think about the age of technology we live in. How many things are really kept a secret. I don't think it could be pulled off considering the current world and how much would have to go into it.


The thing I don't get about people saying going to war was motivation for the 9/11 attacks is nobody viewed that as a legitimate reason afterwards. People still don't get why we are in the middle east, no one attributes it to 9/11. Also, Bush went to Iraq without staging a terrorist attack....

 

[golfgal]

Once again this is mentioned and once again this is more then true! Also, think about the age of technology we live in. How many things are really kept a secret. I don't think it could be pulled off considering the current world and how much would have to go into it.


The thing I don't get about people saying going to war was motivation for the 9/11 attacks is nobody viewed that as a legitimate reason afterwards. People still don't get why we are in the middle east, no one attributes it to 9/11. Also, Bush went to Iraq without staging a terrorist attack....

I think you would be surprised. I think there are things that go on often that we don't know anything about. I had a relative stationed at a military installation many years ago-that installation, on US Soil, was attacked by "unknown" forces. The survivors of that attack were all relocated around the world and no two at the same place Tell me there isn't some kind of cover-up going on that a lot of people know about here.

 

[disneylovin24]

I think you would be surprised. I think there are things that go on often that we don't know anything about. I had a relative stationed at a military installation many years ago-that installation, on US Soil, was attacked by "unknown" forces. The survivors of that attack were all relocated around the world and no two at the same place Tell me there isn't some kind of cover-up going on that a lot of people know about here.

What does that have to do with today?


I was referring to the fact that we have SO much video of the attacks and we can search anything on the internet at anytime and look at videos of it at anytime.

Anything to think about is everyone who was near the building or in it would have realized if there was a missle involved. The government would have had to figure out every person who saw it which has to be close to impossible to do. I think it's a lot different then taking people who were apart of the military and covering something up.

 

[rie'smom]

I said that--it is a well known "fact" I guess that Roosevelt wanted us in the war, but getting us into the war wasn't so he could drop bombs on Japan-that came later-getting us into the war was to help the economy as I stated first. The Manhattan Project didn't start until AFTER the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Sorry, I misread your post.

 

[Amii]

I'd add Agenda 21 and Codex Alimentarius. I don't believe them to be CT as you can read official documents on the UN and WHO sites but most people believe they are CT.

 

[golfgal]

What does that have to do with today?


I was referring to the fact that we have SO much video of the attacks and we can search anything on the internet at anytime and look at videos of it at anytime.

Anything to think about is everyone who was near the building or in it would have realized if there was a missle involved. The government would have had to figure out every person who saw it which has to be close to impossible to do. I think it's a lot different then taking people who were apart of the military and covering something up.

Ok, many meaning about 15--what does it have to do with today-I was just pointing out that there is a lot of stuff that goes on that we have no knowledge of, probably every day, and it is easily covered up.

 

[hereyago]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjjIy1DO0gs

Have you heard about secrets involving the building of the Denver Airport? Just google Denver airport mystery. VERY interesting in a scary way.

wow that really out does the former secret bunker at the Greenbriar doesn't it?

 

[golfgal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjjIy1DO0gs

Have you heard about secrets involving the building of the Denver Airport? Just google Denver airport mystery. VERY interesting in a scary way.

The woman narrating this has the most annoying voice on the planet-I can't keep listening...

 

[Tiger926]

Interesting article about conspiracy theorists appeared in paper today:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Milke+Conspiracy+theorists+tend+overlook+reality/5041425/story.html

Tiger