Conspiracy theory's

tiger, that link on the calgary article was interesting...

i'll have to look up the other two mentioned that i have never heard about. apparently as i found out last night, theres a conspiracy for everything, i only believe in a few not all, but im open to listening to people who believe otherwise, i certainly don't think they are tight, there's definetly gaps in the theories, the truth and everything in between.
 
We never declared war on Russia nor the Soviet Union. ;)

Either way we were still against the country. You still can't comapre the US to the situations you listed under the current governments they were under at the times.

My head hurts just reading this thread...

In general, I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories. My own life experience has shown me that people can be horrible and do terrible things to each other and can be wonderful and do magnificant things. What I haven't found people to be very good at is organizing massive amounts of people to do something complicated and then to keep it quiet. So, in general, I'm more likely to believe that some people who hate us wanted to commit a terrorist act rather than our own government wanting to... ummm... what? Kill a lot of Americans and get into war because... why? I haven't figured that out yet.

The one things that DOES get me really upset, though, is the pseudo-science and just simply wrong scince being thrown around with the moon landing and 9/11 conspiracies.
I am an engineer, and everything I've seen about both of those events are certainly physically possible. Even more than that, how stupid would the "puppet masters" have to be to plan these huge, elaborate events - years in the making - and NOT get the physics correct? That should be the easy part - way easier than silencing thousands of unwitting participants. You don't think someone would have said "aw crap, we got the shadowing wrong in that moon scene - let's do a retake." or "humm... I don't think that particular 'terrorist attack' is physically possible, let's pick another."?

This is very true!!! If the US had been planning it then they would have made sure that their story was sealed tight and had no holes in it.
 
I'm pretty sure Christians believe God is also the holy ghost. Scientologists believe the evil alien Xenu enslaved people, blew them up in a volcano, and their ghostly remains haunt non-believers (and those short on cash) to this day.

Doesn't seem like anyone is being rude here.

I began to respond to this but then decided I don't want to start with religion and get in trouble.
 
I'd add Agenda 21 and Codex Alimentarius. I don't believe them to be CT as you can read official documents on the UN and WHO sites but most people believe they are CT.

Yeah. . .it's kinda scary. The whole World Order stuff skeeves me out the most. :scared1: It just seems so far out there. . .but then not.
 

No, I don't believe in them. Unless you count the one mentioned about global warming. And, even that I don't doubt - except man's role in it.

If global warming is caused by CO2 why is it shown in ice core studies that in past times when the co2 goes up the temperature goes down?


http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html
http://www.aproundtable.org/tps30info/globalwarmup.html



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The Great Global Warm Up
Arguments against global warming

Information gathered by the American Policy Roundtable

Define - Global Warming

Global Warming: The hypothesis that Earth's atmosphere is warming because of the release of "greenhouse gases," such as carbon dioxide. These gases are released into the air from burning gas, oil, coal, wood and other resources which then holds heat in an action similar to the walls of a greenhouse. - Source, Public Broadcasting Service

8 Arguments Against Global Warming
Adapted from The Heartland Institute

Many claim that global warming is obvious and that all arguments against global warming fall. The problem is that what is "obvious" often isn't true.

Concern over “global warming” is overblown and misdirected. What follows are eight reasons why we should pull the plug on this scam before it destroys billions of dollars of wealth and millions of jobs.

1. Most scientists do not believe human activities threaten to disrupt the Earth’s climate.

More than 17,000 scientists have signed a petition circulated by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine saying, in part, “there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” (Go to www.oism.org for the complete petition and names of signers.) Surveys of climatologists show similar skepticism.

2. Our most reliable sources of temperature data show no global warming trend.

Satellite readings of temperatures in the lower troposphere (an area scientists predict would immediately reflect any global warming) show no warming since readings began 23 years ago. These readings are accurate to within 0.01ºC, and are consistent with data from weather balloons. Only land-based temperature stations show a warming trend, and these stations do not cover the entire globe, are often contaminated by heat generated by nearby urban development, and are subject to human error.

3. Global climate computer models are too crude to predict future climate changes.

All predictions of global warming are based on computer models, not historical data. In order to get their models to produce predictions that are close to their designers’ expectations, modelers resort to “flux adjustments” that can be 25 times larger than the effect of doubling carbon dioxide concentrations, the supposed trigger for global warming. Richard A. Kerr, a writer for Science, says “climate modelers have been ‘cheating’ for so long it’s almost become respectable.”

4. The IPCC did not prove that human activities are causing global warming.

Alarmists frequently quote the executive summaries of reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a United Nations organization, to support their predictions. But here is what the IPCC’s latest report, Climate Change 2001, actually says about predicting the future climate: “The Earth’s atmosphere-ocean dynamics is chaotic: its evolution is sensitive to small perturbations in initial conditions. This sensitivity limits our ability to predict the detailed evolution of weather; inevitable errors and uncertainties in the starting conditions of a weather forecast amplify through the forecast. As well as uncertainty in initial conditions, such predictions are also degraded by errors and uncertainties in our ability to represent accurately the significant climate processes.”

5. A modest amount of global warming, should it occur, would be beneficial to the natural world and to human civilization.

This is one of the greatest arguments against global warming. Temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period (roughly 800 to 1200 AD), which allowed the Vikings to settle presently inhospitable Greenland, were higher than even the worst-case scenario reported by the IPCC. The period from about 5000-3000 BC, known as the “climatic optimum,” was even warmer and marked “a time when mankind began to build its first civilizations,” observe James Plummer and Frances B. Smith in a study for Consumer Alert. “There is good reason to believe that a warmer climate would have a similar effect on the health and welfare of our own far more advanced and adaptable civilization today.”

6. Efforts to quickly reduce human greenhouse gas emissions would be costly and would not stop Earth’s climate from changing.

Reducing U.S. carbon dioxide emissions to 7 percent below 1990’s levels by the year 2012--the target set by the Kyoto Protocol--would require higher energy taxes and regulations causing the nation to lose 2.4 million jobs and $300 billion in annual economic output. Average household income nationwide would fall by $2,700, and state tax revenues would decline by $93.1 billion due to less taxable earned income and sales, and lower property values. Full implementation of the Kyoto Protocol by all participating nations would reduce global temperature in the year 2100 by a mere 0.14 degrees Celsius.

7. Efforts by state governments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are even more expensive and threaten to bust state budgets.

After raising their spending with reckless abandon during the 1990s, states now face a cumulative projected deficit of more than $90 billion. Incredibly, most states nevertheless persist in backing unnecessary and expensive greenhouse gas reduction programs. New Jersey, for example, collects $358 million a year in utility taxes to fund greenhouse gas reduction programs. Such programs will have no impact on global greenhouse gas emissions. All they do is destroy jobs and waste money.

8. The best strategy to pursue is “no regrets.”

The alternative to demands for immediate action to “stop global warming” is not to do nothing. The best strategy is to invest in atmospheric research now and in reducing emissions sometime in the future if the science becomes more compelling. In the meantime, investments should be made to reduce emissions only when such investments make economic sense in their own right.

This strategy is called “no regrets,” and it is roughly what the Bush administration has been doing. The U.S. spends more on global warming research each year than the entire rest of the world combined, and American businesses are leading the way in demonstrating new technologies for reducing and sequestering greenhouse gas emissions.

Even The Washington Post stated in 2006, "Al Gore calls global warming an "inconvenient truth," as if merely recognizing it could put us on a path to a solution. That's an illusion. The real truth is that we don't know enough to relieve global warming."
 
I believe in global warming but like i said before don't know about man's role in it. That being said again, I watched Inconvinent Truth...what a joke! I seriously can't believe how much was untrue in it.
 
Guys and gals, I'm enjoying this thread. 99% of the posters have been respectful. To the couple who have been sarcastic,please play pretty. People's beliefs are people's beliefs-I'm talking about conspiracies. It isn't nice to mock either those who do believe or those who don't believe. I'm learning and I'm enjoying the differing viewpoints and I'd like to continue learning. Thank-you

Back to the regular scheduled programming.
 
On the global warming thing-I personally think it is just a normal planetary shift...
 
What worries me about global warming is if a significant eruption happens, where in the past planet was able to make it through, Suddenly, plannet is already at high levels can't deal with it and allow much life to survive.
 
Dear Sir or Madam, thank you for your sane, well-balanced, and in-the-business reply. Everything you said is absolutely true. The WTC would be the first high-rise buildings to EVER collapse from fire alone. Kind of suspect, isn't it. ;)

You get a gold star... or... well the DIS doesn't seem to have one, so you get the happy face with hearts. :lovestruc

I was in the WTC on 9/11 - were you?
I saw what happened first hand-did you?
I felt the towers collapse spontaneously from the increbible heat from burning jet fuel which weakened the structre-did you?

I would LOVE to blame our government or come conspiracy for this tradegy-but in the end-it was terrorism. Plain and simple. I was there. I was in the building. :mad:

Were you?
 
I was in the WTC on 9/11 - were you?
I saw what happened first hand-did you?
I felt the towers collapse spontaneously from the increbible heat from burning jet fuel which weakened the structre-did you?

I would LOVE to blame our government or come conspiracy for this tradegy-but in the end-it was terrorism. Plain and simple. I was there. I was in the building. :mad:

Were you?

Really? Why??
 
Plenty of buildings have had fire, hot ones too. Some burn on for days and days. The jet fuel would have burned off quickly and left office supplies to burn. I just can't understand how a building cannot survive a fire like that following the attacks on the wtc. Understanding how the building is constructed, it just does not add up. To sit there and tell me they just fell over because of the weight of the floors on top makes no sense because they lower floors hold up the upper floors.

I also believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy :P
 
Personally I have found that the only way to really keep a secret is for only one person to know that secret.

Penny
 
I've always been curious about the smaller explosions in the towers that eyewitnesses reported after the planes hit. Some videos I've seen point them out too. Were they planted ahead of time, or just natural consequence of a burning building?
 
What worries me about global warming is if a significant eruption happens, where in the past planet was able to make it through, Suddenly, plannet is already at high levels can't deal with it and allow much life to survive.

CO2 levels have been much higher in the past than now

http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/2009/04/co2-levels-may-have-been-over-2000ppm.html##
http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming/ice-core-graph/#
In the 1990′s the classic Vostok ice core graph showed temperature and carbon in lock step moving at the same time. It made sense to worry that carbon dioxide did influence temperature. But by 2003 new data came in and it was clear that carbon lagged behind temperature. The link was back to front. Temperatures appear to control carbon, and while it’s possible that carbon also influences temperature these ice cores don’t show much evidence of that. After temperatures rise, on average it takes 800 years before carbon starts to move. The extraordinary thing is that the lag is well accepted by climatologists, yet virtually unknown outside these circles. The fact that temperature leads is not controversial. It’s relevance is debated.
 
Plenty of buildings have had fire, hot ones too. Some burn on for days and days. The jet fuel would have burned off quickly and left office supplies to burn. I just can't understand how a building cannot survive a fire like that following the attacks on the wtc. Understanding how the building is constructed, it just does not add up. To sit there and tell me they just fell over because of the weight of the floors on top makes no sense because they lower floors hold up the upper floors.

I also believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy :P

People are so quick to forget that also a plane hit the tower knocking out support beams and then put much extra weight on the tower. Of course the fire contributed but it wasn't the fire alone that brought down the buildings, weight and impact also contributed.


Here's a question. To those of you that believe that the planes did not cause the WTC to collapse, why do you still blame it on the US government? Why couldn't it have been part of Bin Laden's plan to have people take other bombs in there but we never knew about it?
 
I've always been curious about the smaller explosions in the towers that eyewitnesses reported after the planes hit. Some videos I've seen point them out too. Were they planted ahead of time, or just natural consequence of a burning building?

I believe that it was natural consequence of a burning building. If the fire hit things that were not flammable it probably cause the little explosions.
 
Plenty of buildings have had fire, hot ones too. Some burn on for days and days. The jet fuel would have burned off quickly and left office supplies to burn. I just can't understand how a building cannot survive a fire like that following the attacks on the wtc. Understanding how the building is constructed, it just does not add up. To sit there and tell me they just fell over because of the weight of the floors on top makes no sense because they lower floors hold up the upper floors.

I also believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy :P

Here's a good abstract of progressive collapse that explains the most probable theory of the collapse of WTC: http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/466.pdf
It's pretty technical, but if you understand physics and structural mechanics enough to say that one theory doesn't add up, then you should be able to understand this paper without a problem.

As for lower floors holding up the upper floors - the whole building is designed to work together. The lower floors can only hold up the upper floors when the upper floor supports are also doing their job.

Again, if people want to have their own political or social opinions about what happened, have at it (although I don't agree) But you can't just make up scientific arguments without actually backing it up with facts.
 


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