Considering canceling August trip following FL handling of Trayvon Martin murder.

[pigletgirl]

more Mickey bars for us!

 

[akhenaten]

Certainly is HER choice but it seems like one made in a vacuum. You truly should not boycott something or a state unless you have done significant research on this issue...that seems shortsighted.

And once again I think it is shortsighted to hurt those people in Orlando over this issue. The whole thing has not even gone to court yet. We do not even have all the facts yet. It is tragic that a young man died but maybe wait until all the details are in and this has gone to trial.

And it is HER choice but she put her choice on a public forum, which then invites different opinions and maybe even facts (like other states have misguided laws on the books too), so she can ultimately do what she feels is right but once she put it out there we are also allowed to point out the descrepancies and inconsistencies with that opinion!

Of course you are.. I don't see anyone crying about counterpoints... I only see a continuing discussion....

I said I may reconsider my trip (not to WDW BTW) but it is not just because of the TM case.. it is because I am now aware of the Stand your Ground Law... and it is not just because I want the law changed.
I believe that this law may be empowering some people (perhaps GZ) to be empowered and to create dangerous situations.
Here is at least one other incident:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/arti...Stand-Your-Ground-law-is-free-pass-for-murder

 

[Shmily1]

Yeah, I wouldn't go to FL either.... this one case would spoil the whole state.

I wouldn't go to CA either though because they had the Reginald Denny beating case. Oh, or Colorado, because they bungled the Joh Benet case. Don't go to Wisconsin either because they had Spanbauer. Mark New York off too. They had the circle of six cover up. This could probably go on, but I have to look around for somehwere that doesn't have some kind of messed up law.

 

[Mkrop]

And techinically the OP should probably boycott the Disney Corp in general bc they have business in this horrible state of FL, so send the msg to them to get out of FL (and any other state with misguided laws on the books), dont buy Disney merchandise, see films, watch ESPN, go on DCL etc. How can you support a business who practices in FL.

Most people make these boycott decisions based on pure emotion vs fact. The facts of this case have not emerged yet. And unless you are willing to research all the laws in all the states then you are misguided and making your decision in a vacuum.

Even in the Rush Limbaugh case a PP stated, most people reacted to the sound bites on the news, and did not do the research behind the ENTIRE issue before calling for boycotts.

 

[triplejen]

Of course you are.. I don't see anyone crying about counterpoints... I only see a continuing discussion....

I said I may reconsider my trip (not to WDW BTW) but it is not just because of the TM case.. it is because I am now aware of the Stand your Ground Law... and it is not just because I want the law changed.
I believe that this law may be empowering some people (perhaps GZ) to be empowered and to create dangerous situations.
Here is at least one other incident:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/arti...Stand-Your-Ground-law-is-free-pass-for-murder

That case is heartbreaking, and appalling.

Apparently another one of the law's unintended consequences is that it is now being employed to defend shootouts among gang members and drug dealers in the state. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._1_castle-doctrine-law-enforcement-motel-room

"In the five years before the law's approval, Florida averaged 12 justifiable homicides a year, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. In the six years since, the average is 33."

Insane.

 

[SaraJayne]

And once again I think it is shortsighted to hurt those people in Orlando over this issue. The whole thing has not even gone to court yet. We do not even have all the facts yet. It is tragic that a young man died but maybe wait until all the details are in and this has gone to trial.

I can honestly say that when it comes to leisure time for myself and/or my family, I have never once said "gosh, those people in Orlando/CA/NY (insert destination of choice here) need jobs. I better go there and make sure they have something to do."

 

[djm99]

Of course you are.. I don't see anyone crying about counterpoints... I only see a continuing discussion....

I said I may reconsider my trip (not to WDW BTW) but it is not just because of the TM case.. it is because I am now aware of the Stand your Ground Law... and it is not just because I want the law changed.
I believe that this law may be empowering some people (perhaps GZ) to be empowered and to create dangerous situations.
Here is at least one other incident:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/arti...Stand-Your-Ground-law-is-free-pass-for-murder

Wow, that case sounds crazy too. This law is something else. Some ground rules need to be established or this law repealed. Anybody with a chip on their shoulder, a gun, and an itchy finger can claim this defense.

 

[goofyernmost]

I will start this by making the following statement...I couldn't care less if you decide to cancel your trip based on this logic or not. Not my concern, not my loss. It is strictly yours.

The two parts that I do take issue with are not whether one has a right to make that choice but why. How does not bringing that pristine NY money to a place like WDW make any kind of statement at all. It would only apply if you were demanding that Disney step in and change the laws of Florida. It would be like you owning a store on the south side of a town and on the north side of town someone is running a crack house and the people of the town decided to not go to your store anymore because of that. Makes no sense, right? You do not have control over the place on the other side of town, but the public has decided to make a statement, known only to themselves, to not do business with you because of it. Does that seem logical? Who would you be really punishing in that decision. Yourself and Disney...in that order! The division of what is left of your squeaky clean NY money amongst the rest of the Florida population would not be calculated without use of the largest computer ever built. Too small a number.

The second part, I believe should be obvious by the number of sarcastic comments that I have made concerning NY money. How ironic can one get? If Florida started today to intentionally screw up every public situation they encountered, you couldn't live long enough to come up with a number equaling what NY City alone can and has come up with in just a year.

Good intentions, but terribly misguided. Do whatever makes yourself feel good, but please base it on reality and not a fabricated moral stand. It's not just you that is losing out...your kids are too, and not for a very good reason, in my opinion.

 

[LisaR]

I was simply making a suggestion to the op who already stated he or she was considering not going to WDW. I made no statement about the controversy itself. Nor did I imply that nothing controversial happens in California. If you can't handle that, well that isn't my problem.

Sorry you took this as a dig against your suggestion. I assure you it was not meant to be.

 

[RobertLC]

After looking into exactly what the SYG law is, I found this from Wikipedia:

"As of 28 May 2010, 31 states had some form of Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground law. Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming have adopted Castle Doctrine statutes, and other states (Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Virginia, and Washington) are currently considering "Stand Your Ground" laws of their own.

Some of the states that have passed or are considering "stand your ground" laws already implement "stand your ground" principles in their case law. Indiana and Georgia, among other states, already had "stand your ground" case law and passed "stand your ground" statutes due to possible concerns of the case law being replaced by "duty to retreat" in later court rulings. Other states, including Washington, have "stand your ground" in their case law but have not adopted statutes; West Virginia had a long tradition of "stand your ground" in its case law before codifying it as a statute in 2008. These states did not have civil immunity for self defense in their previous self defense statutes."

So, if you're planning on boycotting one state because of that law, better not take any of your money to those 31 states.

 

[dngnb8]

Insane.

Why?

 

[Hoodie]

I agree with others that you'd really only be punishing yourself and your family, but if it's something you really feel like you have to do then do it.

We are going in November and for a nanosecond thought about cancelling. Not because of the way the cops handled the case, but because of the rhetoric and way that certain individuals are using this to incite unrest. However that thought lasted for about as long as it took for me to remember "Food and Wine Festival". Yippee!

 

[Wendy31]

After looking into exactly what the SYG law is, I found this from Wikipedia:

"As of 28 May 2010, 31 states had some form of Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground law. Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming have adopted Castle Doctrine statutes, and other states (Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Virginia, and Washington) are currently considering "Stand Your Ground" laws of their own.

Some of the states that have passed or are considering "stand your ground" laws already implement "stand your ground" principles in their case law. Indiana and Georgia, among other states, already had "stand your ground" case law and passed "stand your ground" statutes due to possible concerns of the case law being replaced by "duty to retreat" in later court rulings. Other states, including Washington, have "stand your ground" in their case law but have not adopted statutes; West Virginia had a long tradition of "stand your ground" in its case law before codifying it as a statute in 2008. These states did not have civil immunity for self defense in their previous self defense statutes."

So, better not take any of your money to those 31 states.

Ha! I just researched "stand your ground law" too & discovered that I live in one of those 31 states! Actually, being in the South, I'm surrounded by "syg" states!

As for not spending your vacation dollars in Florida, that's kinda silly.

 

[Mkrop]

Wow, that case sounds crazy too. This law is something else. Some ground rules need to be established or this law repealed. Anybody with a chip on their shoulder, a gun, and an itchy finger can claim this defense.

Key word CLAIM, that doesnt mean it will work in their defense, I am sure you still need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do agree the law may not do what it is set out to do, but to cancel a trip over this particular state with this particular law and 31 others (limits your destination options) seems extremely shortsighted.

 

[grunt0331]

Yep, that will really show 'em.

 

[Hannathy]

Gee I didn't know the DA for the town that took place in or the A G for Florida lived in New York

The only people who have an idea or access to ALL the information and are able to make an informed decision at this point in time are top officials in Florida.

But you go right ahead and make rash, uninformed decisions, Do you have your torches soaking?

 

[sbell111]

Key word CLAIM, that doesnt mean it will work in their defense, I am sure you still need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do agree the law may not do what it is set out to do, but to cancel a trip over this particular state with this particular law and 31 others (limits your destination options) seems extremely shortsighted.

I also agree with the law and do not wish to make this thread into another Martin/Zimmerman thread. That being said, the bolded bit is in error.

In order to convict, the prosecution needs to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense merely needs to get one juror to have reasonable doubt.

 

[akhenaten]

And techinically the OP should probably boycott the Disney Corp in general bc they have business in this horrible state of FL, so send the msg to them to get out of FL (and any other state with misguided laws on the books), dont buy Disney merchandise, see films, watch ESPN, go on DCL etc. How can you support a business who practices in FL.

Most people make these boycott decisions based on pure emotion vs fact. The facts of this case have not emerged yet. And unless you are willing to research all the laws in all the states then you are misguided and making your decision in a vacuum.

Even in the Rush Limbaugh case a PP stated, most people reacted to the sound bites on the news, and did not do the research behind the ENTIRE issue before calling for boycotts.

Really? Because in all of the discussion boards I was involved with it was the people defending RL that did not bother to research what she actually testified to... but that is another thread.. (most likely a locked one ..LOL)

 

[Octoberbride03]

I have seen in the past couple of days that the writer of FL's SYG Law never intended it to be used this way. In his mind it shouldn't apply to this case at all, but others decided differently.

But am I going to stop driving to FL so I can do my cruises? Nope! Because I live in VA where we have a bunch of nutty laws on the books, some pertaining to law enforcement and even more that don't.

There is absolutely no sense in denying myself a little bit of pleasure because of 1 case. I feel bad for everybody involved, and while I don't plan on getting down there for another couple of years, that has more to do with my finances than any idiot thing done down there.

I'm pretty sure the FL governor is not going to read the board and go: "We better repeal the SYG law because Oct.bride isn't coming down until we do."

 

[JustineMarie]

Gee I didn't know the DA for the town that took place in or the A G for Florida lived in New York

The only people who have an idea or access to ALL the information and are able to make an informed decision at this point in time are top officials in Florida.

But you go right ahead and make rash, uninformed decisions, Do you have your torches soaking?

I agree!

We as the general public do not have the information that the top officials and law enforcement have. Making assumptions gets people nowhere. Also, canceling your plans to show them that you don't agree with their laws are going to do nothing. Write a letter to someone. Voice your disgust other ways.