CNN & FOX-Al-Zarqawi killed

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I hate America? Yeah...that's why I joined the military...'cause I hate this country. Possibly the most ignorant comment I've ever seen on these boards.

NOWHERE have I said that "we are the bad guy." NOWHERE have I expressed anything but gratitude for those serving in the military (their commanders are another matter). NOWHERE have I excused or even mitigated the vile acts that Zarqawi was responsible for. However, I refuse to sit quietly while ghouls take delight in the death of innocent bystanders, shrugging it off as "oh well, that's just their bad luck for being in the wrong place."

It's funny...I know several people on this thread lay claim to being "christian", while I most certainly do not...but I can't help but wonder what an outside observer would think should he or she read these posts. Just a thought...

And for this, I get told that I "hate America" ???

Call us ghouls who take "delight" in the death of innocent bystanders and mock "christians" (your quotes) again.

Based on this and other posts, don't bother playing the victim here.

 

[Saxsoon]

I think everyone on this thread has stated twice over or more that they are glad that he can't harm anyone ever again. I don't exactly call that bloodthirsty, or does it mean something different to you?

 

[Free4Life11]

I am glad he can't harm anyone anymore, it's just too bad they found a child's body in the rubble too so I can't really get excited knowing a young child was killed.

 

[lyeag]

I am glad he can't harm anyone anymore, it's just too bad they found a child's body in the rubble too so I can't really get excited knowing a young child was killed.

The initial military reports said a child may have been killed, and the After Action Review said no child was reported to be found. Do you have a link saying they found a child's body?

Edited to add- I found the info on the confirmed death of a child. It is sad, but you have to wonder at the parents.

 

[Charade]

Don't let that get in the way of the MSM(and probably Fox too) and it's claim that a child's body was found.

 

[eclectics]

Don't let that get in the way of the MSM(and probably Fox too) and it's claim that a child's body was found.

I'll cut you some slack about the MSM because we've been basically off line for hours, but General Casey confirmed the child's death.

 

[transparant]

Poor kid must have had parents that didn't value his/her life at all bringing him or her around someone who had a 25 million dollar bounty on his head.

 

[Saxsoon]

How old was this child. It is chilling though to see the casualties of war, especially when it is a child. There is just something about being human, or most humans that make us care about the young life that a child could of had.

 

[transparant]

I could be wrong...but I think 8 years old.

 

[TCPluto]

I hate America?


NOWHERE have I said that "we are the bad guy."

You certainly do appear, at all times, to hate this country. It's what you show, it's what you are about. Maybe not what you intend (but I think it is).

Your message that we are the bad guy comes through in every single post you've ever made. You obviously despise this country.

 

[Saxsoon]

Pluto, don't you think that is too much. I may not agree with wvrevy on all subjects, but that doesn't give you the right to say he hates this country. He did make a very good point about the child. Actually, if I remember in his post introducing the child, he was asking everyone's opinion on the death of this child, or if they even knew.

Wow, I just stood up for wvrevy.

 

[TCPluto]

It's just the message he delivers, intended or otherwise. Just an observation....

 

[lyeag]

It's just the message he delivers, intended or otherwise. Just an observation....

Pluto-first let me say that I can see how you could think that about wvervy, but if you read his posts and understand the passion he has behind them it makes more sense.

Now, do I agree with him very much? No. I do know he served his country and that is proof enough for me that he doesn't hate his country. He just has a very different vision and ideal of how this country should be. Because of his feelings his frustration shows just as it shows for most of us who post on threads like these. We have to remember in the end we are all Americans. Wvervy has some very strong beliefs and it is good that he challenges others to consider his point of view. That is what healthy debate is all about.

(Of course, there are times I want to reach through the screen and choke some sense into him, but I am sure there are plenty who feel the same way towards me! )

 

[dcentity2000]

I hope they are thrilled when they get drafted because who wants to volunteer if they are going to be charged for doing their jobs?

We have a similar situation over here with our armed police. Typically, policemen/policewomen are not armed with anything more than a baton, a radio and some handcuffs. But when things go completely pear shaped, there are armed officers on call.

Basically, everytime an officer shoots someone here, lethal or not, he/she gets sued. No-one cares about the circumstances; in one instance, a man ran towards a police unit with a HUGE samurai sword screaming, so one of them shot him. They were sued.

Granted, sometimes the lawsuits are deserved; the fate that befell Jean Charles de Menezes, for instance, was completely criminal; there is no excuse for emptying an entire magazine into someone's head at point blank range when he is fully restrained on the floor and blatantly unarmed. But there are numerous instances where the force used seemed very much to be pure self defence.

And in reply to earlier points:

One should never be proud of a military for killing someone, even if they were the Antichrist himself. One should be proud of a military for minimising casualties, saving a net majority of lives and so on. Important difference.

I would not be too surprised if the man is still alive, but on balance I think it is far more likely that he is, shall we say, completely kaput. If he wasn't, in all likelihood he would have released yet another video by now (he loved his videos) saying words to the effect of, "Jihad, jihad, haha Americas, still alive, still living in caves, jihad".



Rich::

 

[eclectics]

Pluto-first let me say that I can see how you could think that about wvervy, but if you read his posts and understand the passion he has behind them it makes more sense.

Now, do I agree with him very much? No. I do know he served his country and that is proof enough for me that he doesn't hate his country. He just has a very different vision and ideal of how this country should be. Because of his feelings his frustration shows just as it shows for most of us who post on threads like these. We have to remember in the end we are all Americans. Wvervy has some very strong beliefs and it is good that he challenges others to consider his point of view. That is what healthy debate is all about.

(Of course, there are times I want to reach through the screen and choke some sense into him, but I am sure there are plenty who feel the same way towards me! )

Great post lyeag! I hope it inspires us all to think a little harder before we post. We all can get a little too "frustrated" at times and we need a reminder every now and then.

 

[rayelias]

One should never be proud of a military for killing someone, even if they were the Antichrist himself. One should be proud of a military for minimising casualties, saving a net majority of lives and so on. Important difference.:

The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.

They are not "peace keepers", although they're often (mis)used that way.

While I believe there is a reason and a purpose to have "peace keepers", the military should not be that group.

When the military is used, it's an "us vs. them" situation. As far as I'm concerned, they should use as much force as necessary (but not more) to do what they have to do to minimize OUR casualties (not the enemy's) and to end the conflict as quickly as possible.

It's nice to sit around, holding hands, and sing Kumbaya, but I'd much prefer to do that AFTER we've annhilated the enemy.

The military should be used extremely sparingly. But, when they must be used, they should kill as many of the enemy as possible, and destroy as much of the enemy's stuff as possible. I guarantee you, that's what they're trying to do to us.

Don't fight wars with your hands tied. It just causes more casualties on your side and prolongs the situation. A quick, decisive victory is much better than a long, drawn out conflict. (For both sides. The quicker you kill the enemy, the less chance of hurting civilians).

 

[beachblanket]

The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.

They are not "peace keepers", although they're often (mis)used that way.

While I believe there is a reason and a purpose to have "peace keepers", the military should not be that group.

When the military is used, it's an "us vs. them" situation. As far as I'm concerned, they should use as much force as necessary (but not more) to do what they have to do to minimize OUR casualties (not the enemy's) and to end the conflict as quickly as possible.

It's nice to sit around, holding hands, and sing Kumbaya, but I'd much prefer to do that AFTER we've annhilated the enemy.

The military should be used extremely sparingly. But, when they must be used, they should kill as many of the enemy as possible, and destroy as much of the enemy's stuff as possible. I guarantee you, that's what they're trying to do to us.

Don't fight wars with your hands tied. It just causes more casualties on your side and prolongs the situation. A quick, decisive victory is much better than a long, drawn out conflict. (For both sides. The quicker you kill the enemy, the less chance of hurting civilians).

True words of wisdom from rayelias!!!!

 

[Charade]

The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.

They are not "peace keepers", although they're often (mis)used that way.

While I believe there is a reason and a purpose to have "peace keepers", the military should not be that group.

When the military is used, it's an "us vs. them" situation. As far as I'm concerned, they should use as much force as necessary (but not more) to do what they have to do to minimize OUR casualties (not the enemy's) and to end the conflict as quickly as possible.

It's nice to sit around, holding hands, and sing Kumbaya, but I'd much prefer to do that AFTER we've annhilated the enemy.

The military should be used extremely sparingly. But, when they must be used, they should kill as many of the enemy as possible, and destroy as much of the enemy's stuff as possible. I guarantee you, that's what they're trying to do to us.

Don't fight wars with your hands tied. It just causes more casualties on your side and prolongs the situation. A quick, decisive victory is much better than a long, drawn out conflict. (For both sides. The quicker you kill the enemy, the less chance of hurting civilians).

Rush, is that you?

 

[rayelias]

Rush, is that you?

You know, I haven't listened to Rush in years. Does this still make me a "mind numbed robot?"

The infrequent times I get to listen to the radio during that time of day, I usually tune to Dennis Prager.

For anyone on the left who would like to better understand the conservative mindset without the partisonship (and ego), take a listen to Dennis Prager. His "motto" is 'Clarity over consensus'. Meaning, he's more interested in a clear, thought out, logical opposing viewpoint, instead of trying to win you over to his side.

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[Charade]

You know, I haven't listened to Rush in years. Does this still make me a "mind numbed robot?"

The infrequent times I get to listen to the radio during that time of day, I usually tune to Dennis Prager.

For anyone on the left who would like to better understand the conservative mindset without the partisonship (and ego), take a listen to Dennis Prager. His "motto" is 'Clarity over consensus'. Meaning, he's more interested in a clear, thought out, logical opposing viewpoint, instead of trying to win you over to his side.

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Of course not! I was just kidding. But your first statement is something that Rush says so I just assumed you listened.