CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

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Are we in trouble if the Astra Zeneca vaccine does not come through? Will Moderna and Pfizer be able to handle the demand?

Not really. Because there's also JnJ and Novovax coming relatively soon- JnJ expects data in January and theirs is a one dose treatment.

Don't give up on AZ yet though- a new peer-reviewed study just came out yesterday that was very positive.
 
Regarding the "allergies." My dd3 has an anaphylactic allergy to nuts - has used her epipens twice this year. I'm active on a large food allergy forum and the prevailing question is people should avoid the vaccine if they have allergies to what? There are a LOT of people that carry epis for ana food allergies, insect stings, etc. A blanket avoidance really won't be good as that will eliminate a lot of people who would otherwise be happy to get the vaccine. I hope they fine tune that recommendation.
 
Are we in trouble if the Astra Zeneca vaccine does not come through? Will Moderna and Pfizer be able to handle the demand?
There's more than just Astra Zeneca. I know that Jaansen and Johnson and Johnson are developing vaccines.

The great thing is there are factories world wide that are producing the vaccine, they've been in production since the Phase I trials started. I would also bet that more factories are being outfitted and ramped up for even more production.

The media mentions how quickly the vaccine is being approved for Emergency access, but what they fail to mention is the possible reasons for this. With all previous vaccines the pharmas were paying for all R&D. So there were pauses between phases of the vaccine trials. Also, vaccine production did not start until the vaccine received approval.
 

Anaphylactic reaction. I have an allergy to sulfa, but it wasn't a severe anaphylactic reaction. I got a rash.
There's a difference between being allergic and having a *severe* allergic reaction (ie needing to use an epipen), not people who just get rashes or some other reaction.
Keep in mind they said significant and a history of it and those who carry an adrenaline autoinjector. It could preclude people for sure but it shouldn't be seen as just anyone with allergies to a vaccine, medicine or food because not everyone will fall into that category. Basically you took it in the direction that unfortunately many people will hear. People who have had severe reactions are usually already aware of such things they need to do.

Furthermore reading the article you'll see this "Vaccine expert Dr. Paul Offit said that rather than a "blanket recommendation" for people with allergies, "the smarter thing to do would be to try and look at these two patients and see what specific component of the vaccine they were allergic to."

We know you're already a bit iffy about the vaccine so it comes as no surprise the direction you took it, no offense meant just being practical. But hopefully reading the information contained within the article will at least put some of your worries about reactions at ease.
As PP mentioned, there are plenty of people who carry epi pens. Do you think rashes are the only reason we went to "peanut free classrooms/schools/planes/etc" and why restaurants put up signs regarding nuts and possible cross contamination?

I would check with your doctor if you have drug allergies, or any allergies rather than asking questions on an Internet forum.
I don't know. If you read enough of this thread (among others), there are experts on the vaccine posting here. They know all the answers.
 
As PP mentioned, there are plenty of people who carry epi pens. Do you think rashes are the only reason we went to "peanut free classrooms/schools/planes/etc" and why restaurants put up signs regarding nuts and possible cross contamination?
Farro was never making the case that rashes are the only reason, I feel like you know that. She was responding because you said "DW is allergic to sulfa drugs" because she also has an allergy to sulfa drugs. Her allergy presents itself as a rash which I struggle with to assume that a rash would be considered a severe anaphylactic reaction (and I believe that's what she was saying) but I wholeheartedly agree they should look into what caused the reaction with these two individual.

This is what we mean by taking something and running with it :)
 
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The article also says that they may recommend that people with significant allergies get the vaccine in a setting that is equipped to handle a serious allergic reaction, like a doctor's office rather than, say a drugstore pharmacy. Seems like an easy solution.
This is what I expect to happen. My parents’ doctor already does this for elderly patients who get the higher dose flu shot. Both my parents get the shot and then remain in a waiting area for 15-20 minutes in case of a reaction.
 
So many people have allergies that saying if you have allergies, you probably shouldn’t get it is super broad and covers way too many people. We needs details. This news story came out too fast.
 
As PP mentioned, there are plenty of people who carry epi pens. Do you think rashes are the only reason we went to "peanut free classrooms/schools/planes/etc" and why restaurants put up signs regarding nuts and possible cross contamination?


I don't know. If you read enough of this thread (among others), there are experts on the vaccine posting here. They know all the answers.

You said your wife had a reaction to sulfa and asked what then, she can't get the vaccine?
I said they mean anaphylactic reaction and stated I also have an allergy to sulfa and got a rash and that's not what they are talking about. If your wife had an anaphylactic reaction, then you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Then you made sarcastic comments for no reason. :D
 
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So many people have allergies that saying if you have allergies, you probably shouldn’t get it is super broad and covers way too many people. We needs details. This news story came out too fast.
Agreed, would have been better to have investigated. You only have to see how a poster phrased it on a different thread. People hear allergies and tune out other stuff.
 
You should make your provider aware if you've had anaphylactic reactions (to anything) in the past before getting vaccine. Also now providers will have epinephrine on hand knowing this is a possibility (which I'm sure they did anyways).

That will, however, further complicate distribution efforts because it is likely that those at higher risk of a reaction won't be able to be vaccinated at pharmacies, which then creates a new cost issue with needing an office visit and potentially expensive treatment for an allergic reaction. So it is likely to be a deterrent to many of those who have severe allergies, at least until they narrow down what allergen(s) the vaccine is cross-reacting with.

True. Wonder if the requirement would be 18 and over w/ under 18 wearing a mask?

I still don't think we're likely to see domestic requirements, especially not if a liability shield is part of the next stimulus. Americans have short memories. Once the virus isn't spreading like wildfire and grabbing headlines, I think it is very likely that complacency will set in quickly and the feeling will become "if you're worried about catching it, get vaccinated" just like how we think of flu, measles, etc. Actually, I suspect it will be taken even less seriously than those - a lot of people avoid theme parks and planes and other high-density settings with pre-vaccinated babies because of how serious measles, flu, whooping cough can be in young children, but this is so rarely serious in young children that once most adults are vaccinated, I think it will mostly fade from our collective priorities completely.

But I'm not so sure about international requirements. I can't see countries that are trying to keep new cases from being introduced via travel making age-based exceptions. Maybe with a negative test? Even that is a huge drag on tourism, though, because it means gambling all your non-refundable airfare, hotel, ticket costs on the test being negative and the results coming back in a timely fashion.

There's a difference between being allergic and having a *severe* allergic reaction (ie needing to use an epipen), not people who just get rashes or some other reaction.

True, but there are millions of people who have severe reactions to one allergen or another. And the rate is higher in the US than in most other countries, so this is another hurdle that is likely to be higher here than elsewhere.

Regarding the "allergies." My dd3 has an anaphylactic allergy to nuts - has used her epipens twice this year. I'm active on a large food allergy forum and the prevailing question is people should avoid the vaccine if they have allergies to what? There are a LOT of people that carry epis for ana food allergies, insect stings, etc. A blanket avoidance really won't be good as that will eliminate a lot of people who would otherwise be happy to get the vaccine. I hope they fine tune that recommendation.

I hope so too... or that the other vaccine candidates don't pose the same problem. My husband has an anaphylactic allergy to fish and there's no way he'll get the vaccine if it comes with a risk of a reaction. His last reaction was 30-odd years ago and got him a trip to the ER, an overnight stay in the hospital, and a bill for a couple grand. It is not an experience he's in any hurry to repeat.

I assume they're working to figure out what caused the reaction, but I'm sure it'll take time to pin down for sure. Hopefully it'll end up being something like the flu/egg connection and a work-around can be found fairly quickly.
 
There are still others besides those 3. There are at least 15 in development.

I just wasn't sure of their timeline. With the 3 we were all depending on, AZ, Pfizer and Moderna, they had us all being vaccinated by summer. If the other trials are not complete, it could be much later for the general public to be vaccinated.
 
I just wasn't sure of their timeline. With the 3 we were all depending on, AZ, Pfizer and Moderna, they had us all being vaccinated by summer. If the other trials are not complete, it could be much later for the general public to be vaccinated.

From what I understand, JnJ is only about 6-8 weeks behind those. I'm not sure about Novavax or the others because I haven't read much about them, but the last "round up" article I read suggested that the "big four" were all looking promising and likely to receive emergency approval this winter.
 
That will, however, further complicate distribution efforts because it is likely that those at higher risk of a reaction won't be able to be vaccinated at pharmacies, which then creates a new cost issue with needing an office visit and potentially expensive treatment for an allergic reaction. So it is likely to be a deterrent to many of those who have severe allergies, at least until they narrow down what allergen(s) the vaccine is cross-reacting with.
I think that will be dependent on what each area is doing. But what they are saying is if you have had severe reactions in the past to drugs medication, and vaccines you should avoid it for now so I'm not sure cost/office visit is in the conversation yet (not that you don't have a point about that though). What they are concerned about is people hearing that saying they won't get the vaccine because of that regardless of them being personally impacted or not.

Like another poster on another thread already worded it in such a way that my allergies to dust, cats and pollen would mean I shouldn't get the vaccine! "So we are one day in with people starting to receive the Pfizer vaccine in the U.K. and we are already hearing about allergic reactions. Wonder how many they have inoculated and how many allergic responses" We know that's not exactly what went down.
 
Hey all! I'm a nurse that works for the VA here in FL. We got notification today (actually we've been talking about it over the last 2 weeks - but leadership confirmed today) that we are getting the Pfizer vaccine and rollout to our healthcare force will be the end of this month. Main hospital and then once that's covered - all our satellite clinics after. We have had electronic signups over the last week to gauge how many staff will want the vaccine.
 
From what I understand, JnJ is only about 6-8 weeks behind those. I'm not sure about Novavax or the others because I haven't read much about them, but the last "round up" article I read suggested that the "big four" were all looking promising and likely to receive emergency approval this winter.

I think Noravax is just a little behind JnJ, also. So I think by this summer there should be several options, with several production lines ramped up. I don't think this will all be wrapped up by February or anything, but hopefully enough adults will be vaccinated by the end of the summer that 2021-2022 school year is relatively normal.
 
Regarding the allergies: my understanding is that it will be those people who suffer anaphylaxis that need to keep away from the Pfizer vaccine. My adult son is allergic to peanuts, tree nuts, and shelfish. All with anaphylaxis-type reactions--he carries and Epipen. I told him that, for now, he will avoid that vaccine (and probably Moderna). Not that he was up for getting it any time soon. Hopefully by the time it's his turn, they will know more. I suspect it's nothing simple like "this vaccine contains peanuts." I bet it has something to the with the MRNA type vaccination itself that causes the reaction into susceptible people.

I sure hope it does not apply to me. Like another poster, I had a pretty significant reaction to sulfa as a child. It wasn't just a rash but head to toe hives really intense. But not anaphylaxis.
 
True. Wonder if the requirement would be 18 and over w/ under 18 wearing a mask?
This is a huge concern for our family right now. My 18 year old is off to college in the fall (or was planning to be) to study nursing. She is a Type 1 diabetic, and her doctor has "strongly advised against vaccination until the vaccine is more fully tested on T1 subjects" My 14 year old carries an EpiPen everywhere for severe allergies - and we have had to use it more than once.

So now, my daughter is wondering if this vaccine will be a requirement for college - to live in dorms, compete as a college athlete, and to do nursing clinicals. My son is worried about attending high school, sports, and traveling if these allergy concerns bear out. We are hoping the next two vaccines in line for approval have fewer issues and more diverse testing pools - but who knows? We have annual passes and plane tickets for Disney in 2021. So we wait.

We have all had every other routine vaccine - but I trust my kids' doctors, and would prefer to wait for data on this one. I cannot believe that mandating a vaccine at this point is appropriate - there are medical exceptions that need to be researched further.
 
This is a huge concern for our family right now. My 18 year old is off to college in the fall (or was planning to be) to study nursing. She is a Type 1 diabetic, and her doctor has "strongly advised against vaccination until the vaccine is more fully tested on T1 subjects" My 14 year old carries an EpiPen everywhere for severe allergies - and we have had to use it more than once.

So now, my daughter is wondering if this vaccine will be a requirement for college - to live in dorms, compete as a college athlete, and to do nursing clinicals. My son is worried about attending high school, sports, and traveling if these allergy concerns bear out. We are hoping the next two vaccines in line for approval have fewer issues and more diverse testing pools - but who knows? We have annual passes and plane tickets for Disney in 2021. So we wait.

We have all had every other routine vaccine - but I trust my kids' doctors, and would prefer to wait for data on this one. I cannot believe that mandating a vaccine at this point is appropriate - there are medical exceptions that need to be researched further.

That's really surprising! What is the doctors justification for delaying the vaccine, given that we know T1 diabetics are at a much higher risk of a bad case of COVID? One of my best friends is a nurse and a T1 diabetic and she's so relieved that she'll be able to have access to the vaccine in the first round.
 
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