CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[DLgal]

I found this interesting - turns out we've had the vaccine all along;
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html

Thanks for sharing. I started reading but bookmarked it for later.

We have a long history of being reactionary instead of proactive. I hope, moving forward, we are going to see our Healthcare system shift towards more preventative vs curative.

The fact that this vaccine was created and ready to go, more or less, before we even knew this was going to be a pandemic...well...it could have saved a lot of lives. In the future, I hope we learn better how to assess risk vs reward when it comes to treatments and vaccines.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I found this interesting - turns out we've had the vaccine all along;
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html

Amazing isn't it? But....a ton of the work that made these vaccines possible is the work...many years....of work that went into the SARs vaccine from the outbreak in 2003. That outbreak scared the hell out of the world, and only now do we fully and completely understand why. But it is amazing to know how quickly these scientific geniuses had the answer....but even though they did....how much money, time, work and sacrifice went into getting us to this point. And still, depending on how the actual roll-out goes, it may be several months before we really put the worst of this behind us. Still, I'm more hopeful than not.

 

[DLgal]

Saw this today about the J&J vaccine. They have been able to drop their study participant number down from 60K to 40K because we're literally swimming in Covid here. Still, they're a bit of a ways out (in our current warp speed mentality anyway)....looks like they'll be ready to submit to the FDA in late January with (hopefully) EUA coming from the FDA in February. We're going to a third/fourth candidate at this point because Pfizer and Modern alone won't be able to fulfill our needs here in the U.S.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/09...ne-study-due-to-prevalence-of-disease-in-u-s/

Yep. I had expressed interest in participating. I haven't heard back after my initial screening and now it makes sense why.

 

[wenrob]

Ignoring doesn't really work. You can still see the quoted responses and their reactions. Plus, it's too tempting to view the posts. It would only work if they cannot view your posts, but they can.

I’m rarely ever tempted to read the ignored person’s comments. I can usually guess who it was by the response though. I really don’t care if they can read my responses, they can quote and respond all day long and I won’t have a clue. FWIW I don’t ignore people I disagree with but I did have to put the doomsday folks on ignore because it was really doing my head in. Them and one person who makes zero sense and another who writes a book every time they post. But interaction with people you disagree with is a good thing IMO. Gives food for thought and keeps you from living in an unrealistic bubble.

 

[Jonfw2]

I’m rarely ever tempted to read the ignored person’s comments. I can usually guess who it was by the response though. I really don’t care if they can read my responses, they can quote and respond all day long and I won’t have a clue. FWIW I don’t ignore people I disagree with but I did have to put the doomsday folks on ignore because it was really doing my head in. Them and one person who makes zero sense and another who writes a book every time they post. But interaction with people you disagree with is a good thing IMO. Gives food for thought and keeps you from living in an unrealistic bubble.

I have no problem whatsoever with disagreement- I’d far rather dialogue with those I disagree with, in fact.

It’s when it becomes clear that the disagreement is just an act and when the person has obviously just taken a break from guarding their bridge to post this stuff that I get exhausted with it.

 

[wenrob]

I have no problem whatsoever with disagreement- I’d far rather dialogue with those I disagree with, in fact.

It’s when it becomes clear that the disagreement is just an act and when the person has obviously just taken a break from guarding their bridge to post this stuff that I get exhausted with it.

Oh, I was more pointing out why “ignore” works for me. We all have our reasons.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I have no problem whatsoever with disagreement- I’d far rather dialogue with those I disagree with, in fact.

It’s when it becomes clear that the disagreement is just an act and when the person has obviously just taken a break from guarding their bridge to post this stuff that I get exhausted with it.

Right. I mean, I think a lot of us enjoy a vigorous debate, but there's a subset of people who are in their foxholes just firing indiscriminately in pretty much every direction. We can critique things and continue on with a vigorous debate regarding the vaccine, the rollout of the vaccine...etc, but some people are just going to want to stay in that foxhole crouched and ready to fire. Over time, most of us will get the vaccine (happily in my case), and will leave the battlefield.....and go on vacation.

 

[mom2rtk]

I’m rarely ever tempted to read the ignored person’s comments. I can usually guess who it was by the response though. I really don’t care if they can read my responses, they can quote and respond all day long and I won’t have a clue. FWIW I don’t ignore people I disagree with but I did have to put the doomsday folks on ignore because it was really doing my head in. Them and one person who makes zero sense and another who writes a book every time they post. But interaction with people you disagree with is a good thing IMO. Gives food for thought and keeps you from living in an unrealistic bubble.

Same here. I only have a couple of overly pedantic posters on ignore. It has nothing to do with whether I agree with them. It makes threads more readable rather than less.

 

[sam_gordon]

For what it's worth, here's the point I was trying to make (and was again basically told "it's nothing to worry about")...

But a vaccine that triggers dangerous reactions in people with severe allergies poses a major challenge in the U.S., said Dr. Peter Hotez, a pediatrician and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.
"If you start issuing recommendations that anyone with an EpiPen doesn't get vaccinated, that could be a showstopper for Americans," he said. About 3 to 4 million Americans carry epinephrine with them at all times in case of allergic reactions, Hotez noted, and 50 million have less severe allergies.

Source

Since the start, I've said I'm concerned about long term effects of the vaccine. I've been asked "when will you feel safe" and have answered. I've even said I will more than likely get the vaccine, just after more time. The impression I get from reading these boards is many posters don't care about my concerns, that I should just shut up and run to the front of the line. I will be apprehensive if/when I do get the vaccine. I'll be worried about my kids getting it.

No one can deny that we don't know what might happen five, ten, or twenty years down the road as a result of these vaccines. I do believe Covid is real. I do believe real people are dying. I do believe people have long term consequences from catching it. I don't believe vaccines are just excuses to "chip" us. I want a vaccine to be successful. If you don't want to read my views about this, that's totally up to you.

 

[Jonfw2]

Moderna has begun a 3,000 patient study of 12-18 year olds.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

I've said I'm concerned about long term effects of the vaccine.

I will be apprehensive if/when I do get the vaccine. I'll be worried about my kids getting it.

I want a vaccine to be successful.

All of these are fine to me. Your quote from your source is an excellent point and one I know at least one other person mentioned about an expert saying not to make blanket recommendations.




But then you add this stuff in:

The impression I get from reading these boards is many posters don't care about my concerns, that I should just shut up and run to the front of the line.

No one can deny that we don't know what might happen five, ten, or twenty years down the road as a result of these vaccines.

If you don't want to read my views about this, that's totally up to you.

You have a right to say them but no one has denied long-term effects, they just point out in order to know they are long-term a long time period has to occur and it's unknown to us all if a vaccine will be required for things but it sounds like it's really a possibility.

I'm sorry you feel your viewpoint gets shut out. I feel sometimes that's because of how you choose to discuss it. Maybe it's heightened stress or just the uncertainty out there or you aren't rushing to get the vaccine but you may be boxed into a corner soon if you don't end up getting it. I feel that coming through when you talk sometimes. So what might really be a mild statement ends up more to it. That happens to us all so I'm not excusing everyone.

Back to vaccine distribution talk for me

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Moderna has begun a 3,000 patient study of 12-18 year olds.

Is this across multiple places? I would think it is like the other trials.

 

[sam_gordon]

All of these are fine to me. Your quote from your source is an excellent point and one I know at least one other person mentioned about an expert saying not to make blanket recommendations.




But then you add this stuff in:




You have a right to say them but no one has denied long-term effects, they just point out in order to know they are long-term a long time period has to occur and it's unknown to us all if a vaccine will be required for things but it sounds like it's really a possibility.

I'm sorry you feel your viewpoint gets shut out. I feel sometimes that's because of how you choose to discuss it. Maybe it's heightened stress or just the uncertainty out there or you aren't rushing to get the vaccine but you may be boxed into a corner soon if you don't end up getting it. I feel that coming through when you talk sometimes. So what might really be a mild statement ends up more to it. That happens to us all so I'm not excusing everyone.

Back to vaccine distribution talk for me

Thank you for your response. I don't feel everyone is shutting me out, but there that is the feeling I get from some posters (whether intentional or not). While some won't believe it, I'm not trying to be a contrarian. I am truly concerned about the long term effects.

 

[Jonfw2]

Is this across multiple places? I would think it is like the other trials.

I would guess it's nationwide, but with less locations and less subjects per location.

 

[DLgal]

Is this across multiple places? I would think it is like the other trials.

If I had to guess, I'd say they likely went after kids of people already enrolled in the study. Much easier to do since you already have most of the information you need on file from the parent. Also, trial participants are probably much more likely to enroll their kids than people who didn't opt into a trial.

 

[Jonfw2]

If I had to guess, I'd say they likely went after kids of people already enrolled in the study. Much easier to do since you already have most of the information you need on file from the parent. Also, trial participants are probably much more likely to enroll their kids than people who didn't opt into a trial.

I am asking as we speak. I'll report back.

 

[Lumpy1106]

Yep. I had expressed interest in participating. I haven't heard back after my initial screening and now it makes sense why.

I had sent in requests to participate in a couple of different studies (Pfizer was one of them, I think J&J was the other). I got calls back, one while I was standing in front of the America pavilion in EPCOT. I never got to actually participate though because I'm just too low of risk (able to work from home full time). The only hesitation I had was that if you get the control, you cannot get the real vaccine for 2 years (you need to still be the control, not that it wouldn't be safe to do so).

 

[Jonfw2]

I had sent in requests to participate in a couple of different studies (Pfizer was one of them, I think J&J was the other). I got calls back, one while I was standing in front of the America pavilion in EPCOT. I never got to actually participate though because I'm just too low of risk (able to work from home full time). The only hesitation I had was that if you get the control, you cannot get the real vaccine for 2 years (you need to still be the control, not that it wouldn't be safe to do so).

Wait- you were at a massive theme park surrounded by strangers and they told you you were too low risk???

 

[Lumpy1106]

Wait- you were at a massive theme park surrounded by strangers and they told you you were too low risk???

Well, I don't LIVE there! Actually that would have been my assessment anyway.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Wait- you were at a massive theme park surrounded by strangers and they told you you were too low risk???

I'm sure repeated exposure to the community at large is likely a component they were looking for.

Well, I don't LIVE there! Actually that would have been my assessment anyway.

Yeah a local who is frequenting the parks might heightened their interest. A one off traveler may not.