CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[RamblingMad]

I'm speaking of when we are all able to get it and some are choosing not to get it.

About 150-170 million people get the flu vaccine out of a population of 350 million. It makes sense that the vaccine will see similar numbers assuming it’s as easy to get. More people got the flu vaccine after it was available at pharmacies.

 

[mom2rtk]

People can get the vaccine or not. But once I get mine, and once there is ample availability for anyone who wants one, I'm over and out with the masks and other mitigation.

 

[Farro]

About 150-170 million people get the flu vaccine out of a population of 350 million. It makes sense that the vaccine will see similar numbers assuming it’s as easy to get. More people got the flu vaccine after it was available at pharmacies.

If people choose not to get vaccine when it's available to all who want it, that's fine. But if restrictions are lifted eventually, then people who didn't get vaccinated can't expect everyone that did to keep wearing masks for their sake. Again, after restrictions are lifted.

 

[aggiedog]

Simple solution to the transmission problem: just get vaccinated.

Again, we'll need proof that those that are vaccinated with a specific vaccine have decreased viral shedding. Without data, you can't assume. I think it's great the Astra Zeneca study included self swabs, and I'm sure as we go along we'll get data from the other vaccines hopefully with the same result.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Again, we'll need proof that those that are vaccinated with a specific vaccine have decreased viral shedding. Without data, you can't assume. I think it's great the Astra Zeneca study included self swabs, and I'm sure as we go along we'll get data from the other vaccines hopefully with the same result.

Great point. And also while we'll likely be asked to wear masks for quite awhile after we're vaccinated. We need to know for sure that we're not continuing to transmit the virus.

 

[Farro]

Again, we'll need proof that those that are vaccinated with a specific vaccine have decreased viral shedding. Without data, you can't assume. I think it's great the Astra Zeneca study included self swabs, and I'm sure as we go along we'll get data from the other vaccines hopefully with the same result.

Great point. And also while we'll likely be asked to wear masks for quite awhile after we're vaccinated. We need to know for sure that we're not continuing to transmit the virus.

Is this because we are assuming a lot of people won't be getting vaccination? Because if you are vaccinated (and it's proven effective), wouldn't it be of less importance if we still continue to transmit?

Serious question.

 

[Southernmiss]

You're assuming there is going to be a choice. Logistics are likely to dictate which versions are available in various parts of the country (ex. the one that requires super-deep freeze storage is going to be much harder to roll out in rural areas than in urban), and of course, supplies will be well below need/demand for a year or more. So the more accurate way of approaching that question is whether you'd take the 70% effective vaccine as soon as it is available to you or wait to get the 90% effective one at some indefinite time in the future.

This is true. Our son, who is a very part time worker at a hospital, is getting the emails sent to every employee at the hospital about the roll out of vaccines in that hospital.

They know that they are getting the Pfizer vaccine and the details of refrigeration needs, etc. and that their hospital will receive it in mid December. I don't know if the hospital will vaccinate even the part time employees like he is, but am hopeful that he might be in an earlier group to receive the vaccine.

I know that when DH and I got our flu vaccine at our local chain Walgreens, the version that we got was different than the version our daughter got at her local Walgreens on the same day. (DH and I got a standard vaccine like daughter did)

 

[dvcgirl67]

Is this because we are assuming a lot of people won't be getting vaccination? Because if you are vaccinated (and it's proven effective), wouldn't it be of less importance if we still continue to transmit?

Serious question.

I know, I kind of thought the same thing. Then I saw this video. It's what aggiedog is referencing in her posts. Now, granted the first two vaccines that we're getting (Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna), are 95% effective, which is great news. However, if that efficacy slips a bit...etc, there can still be people walking around, vaccinated...who still get the virus, and more seriously, people who may be asymptomatic, but shedding virus.

https://www.chop.edu/video/why-will...ance-after-covid-19-vaccine-becomes-available

 

[Jonfw2]

Again, we'll need proof that those that are vaccinated with a specific vaccine have decreased viral shedding. Without data, you can't assume. I think it's great the Astra Zeneca study included self swabs, and I'm sure as we go along we'll get data from the other vaccines hopefully with the same result.

I think you’re missing the point. My family and I will be protected. So for me? That’s when it’s game on regardless.

 

[Jonfw2]

Something that has gone wildly underreported that deserves major attention:

Three studies, incredible efficacy, yes. But ZERO DEATHS. Not one vaccine recipient in any of the studies has died of Covid.

That is massive.

 

[skeeter31]

Something that has gone wildly underreported that deserves major attention:

Three studies, incredible efficacy, yes. But ZERO DEATHS. Not one vaccine recipient in any of the studies has died of Covid.

That is massive.

But, to play devils advocate here, how many study participants were 80+ years old? I’m going to guess next to zero.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

But, to play devils advocate here, how many study participants were 80+ years old? I’m going to guess next to zero.

They have older participants. Moderna, Pfizer and Astra Zeneca all do. Astra Zeneca actually showed (according to release dated 11/19) the following "demonstrated lower local and systemic reactions in older adults (≥56-69 years and ≥70 years) than younger adults (≥18-55 years) and generated similar robust immune responses against the SARS-CoV-2 virus across all adult age groups."

One thing to remember is that under a normal vaccine such that we're used to that is you wouldn't have a need for people to be out and about in public aiming at getting exposure. The higher age groups (70 and up) probably would be harder to find in this need. There's representation there though.

I see both your point and the PP's point though.

 

[Jonfw2]

But, to play devils advocate here, how many study participants were 80+ years old? I’m going to guess next to zero.

Both studies had seniors as participants.

 

[Pyotr]

Both studies had seniors as participants.

The AZ vaccine dose that had a 90% efficacy had an age cap of 55. I wonder if that factored rather than the dosage?

 

[anniemae]

Will people know which vaccine they are getting?

I had read we could be getting back to normal by spring/summer and that anyone who wants the vaccine will be able to get it by June. Do we think that is true?

Do you think once people start getting vaccinated we will see the spread slow? I know it will take a while to get to everyone, but I thought I heard that by next month the first people can start getting the vaccine.

 

[Jonfw2]

Will people know which vaccine they are getting?

I had read we could be getting back to normal by spring/summer and that anyone who wants the vaccine will be able to get it by June. Do we think that is true?

Do you think once people start getting vaccinated we will see the spread slow? I know it will take a while to get to everyone, but I thought I heard that by next month the first people can start getting the vaccine.

Yes. I believe this will be true.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Will people know which vaccine they are getting?

I had read we could be getting back to normal by spring/summer and that anyone who wants the vaccine will be able to get it by June. Do we think that is true?

Do you think once people start getting vaccinated we will see the spread slow? I know it will take a while to get to everyone, but I thought I heard that by next month the first people can start getting the vaccine.

I'm thinking that there will be a momentum that builds over time with respect to the vaccine. The first batch should arrive mid-December for front-line health care workers. I think that the hope is to have about 22.5 million people vaccinated by the end of the year.

But if we think about how rampant the spread of the virus is now, with 12 million cases, but likely many times more who have been infected and have some level of immunity....this virus is still finding plenty of hosts to infect.

Now it seems to me to be a race against the clock. In my state, we had 417 Covid patients in the hospital on September 24th. 950 Covid patients on October 24th. And today, we have almost 2,800. If we triple our numbers again by December 24th, we're in trouble here in NJ. If we go up six times by January 24th from where we are now...we're overrun. Whatever we have "baked in" by mid-December will be dealing out harsh consequences until the end of January.

I'm hoping that by the end of February cases are coming down and that hospitalizations follow, and we can see the end of the unnecessary deaths.

I'm hoping that life really starts to change for most of us by early Summer. That's what I'm betting on.

 

[sam_gordon]

I'm just going to leave this here...

Moderna Chief Medical Officer Tal Zaks told Axios that the public should not "over-interpret" the vaccine trial results to assume life could go back to normal after adults are vaccinated.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/modernas-chief-medical-officer-says-064550238.html

 

[Farro]

I'm just going to leave this here...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/modernas-chief-medical-officer-says-064550238.html

We've already been discussing this the last few posts.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Will people know which vaccine they are getting?

I had read we could be getting back to normal by spring/summer and that anyone who wants the vaccine will be able to get it by June. Do we think that is true?

Do you think once people start getting vaccinated we will see the spread slow? I know it will take a while to get to everyone, but I thought I heard that by next month the first people can start getting the vaccine.

Our Gov said today it could be anywhere from March-July to get everybody vaccinated in CA (although the way he said it makes me laugh)

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