CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[dvcgirl67]

If anyone is interested....the Wall Street Journal podcast from Friday is fascinating. They interview the scientist from Biontech who created the vaccine. It's really incredible.

Also talks about how start-ups like Biontech and Moderna are more nimble and better positioned to create something completely new like this. Well, not completely new, but able to pivot as quickly as they did from cancer research in the case of Biontech, to this coronavirus vaccine. What they required in this instance was bigger partners with extensive networks for testing trials....and deep pockets. In Biontech's case, that was Pfizer. In Moderna's...it was the US Government...etc.

Anyway, it's a very cool 20 minute listen for anyone on this thread. It's been a terrible, terrible time for our country, for our world. But....the story of how a few brilliant visionaries came to the rescue in this pandemic is just becoming more remarkable by the day, especially for laypersons like me...who are just interested in science.

 

[Jonfw2]

Thank you, dgirl! You’re absolutely right. Moderna had the entire viral sequence worked out two days after Covid was officially announced and they were working on their vaccine immediately. This is new territory. And it goes way beyond Covid.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Thank you, dgirl! You’re absolutely right. Moderna had the entire viral sequence worked out two days after Covid was officially announced and they were working on their vaccine immediately. This is new territory. And it goes way beyond Covid.

I know it is...it's incredible for medicine going forward. Hearing that the BioNTech scientist had 10 candidates within a couple of hours....including the winner.... was also amazing.

 

[wenrob]

your daughter should be high on the list. Its a shame that murders, rapists and child molesters and a lot of other bad people are in category 3 if they are in prison, jail, detention centers. They are the low of the low but they get priority. As long as your daughter continues to the right thing. Than she will be ok. In reality as long as we have to wear masks doesn’t really matter when I get the vaccine. I do the right thing so I will be ok.

I’m not defending it but in county jails it’s a huge problem. I clicked on the clusters tab for the small town my mom used to live in and there were 800 cases from the county jail. That’s insane. Generally people who end up in the county jail are coming in and out on minor charges which means they’re running around town and spreading it. And you have to remember it’s not just the “bad guys” who are there. There are civilians and LEOs that work in the jails as well as visitors and don’t forget transport and court hearings. So while it might seem like they’re getting preferential treatment I think the idea might be to cut a major source of spread off at the pass.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I’m not defending it but in county jails it’s a huge problem. I clicked on the clusters tab for the small town my mom used to live in and there were 800 cases from the county jail. That’s insane. Generally people who end up in the county jail are coming in and out on minor charges which means they’re running around town and spreading it. And you have to remember it’s not just the “bad guys” who are there. There are civilians and LEOs that work in the jails as well as visitors and don’t forget transport and court hearings. So while it might seem like they’re getting preferential treatment I think the idea might be to cut a major source of spread off at the pass.

I understand the sentiment of what the other poster said, but I have to agree. We need to stop the virus in any situation where there is rampant community spread. Having said that, I also have a niece who is immunocompromised. She's doing fine, missing out on some of the social aspects of her teenage life. So, I think the kids with real preexisting conditions should be in the same group as adults in that category. And then, by all means....vaccinate those in prisons...etc. I'm 53, with no health issues, and I'm fine with them going before me. Not everyone is county fails have even been to trial. And not everyone in prison is a horrific person.

 

[wenrob]

I understand the sentiment of what the other poster said, but I have to agree. We need to stop the virus in any situation where there is rampant community spread. Having said that, I also have a niece who is immunocompromised. She's doing fine, missing out on some of the social aspects of her teenage life. So, I think the kids with real preexisting conditions should be in the same group as adults in that category. And then, by all means....vaccinate those in prisons...etc. I'm 53, with no health issues, and I'm fine with them going before me. Not everyone is county fails have even been to trial. And not everyone in prison is a horrific person.

Agreed. I’d much rather my kids be vaccinated before me. They are the ones likely to bring it home just by virtue of having lives.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Good point. I wasn't clear in making my point....I meant to say that there hasn't been a lot of money, or incentive for the drug companies to create vaccines for newly emergent diseases. Some of these companies have gone down this road before....in attempting to create vaccines for diseases like SARS and Zika, for example. They've spent hundreds of millions of dollars only to see the disease disappear or retreat rapidly. I've seen estimates that the COVID vaccine market may be 3-4 times the size of the influenza vaccine market.

In the end, there are a few reasons that we will have more than a few vaccines to fight COVID-19. There is an unprecedented level of government funding for these vaccines. There has also been a raging on-going pandemic, and so plenty of subjects available for their studies. And finally, there is an enormous market for their product.

I'm praying that these new technologies will also improve long-standing vaccinations. The fact that Flu vaccine sits at only 65% effective means that it totally needs to be a candidate for the new format, it would save millions of lives. There is such a lag in getting the Flu vaccine out that the main strain often shifts to one not in the selection. No reason to keep doing things the old way if there turns out to be a better way.

 

[FQLover]

"And not everyone in prison is a horrific person."

Of course not--very true! The people in jails or prisons were sentenced to a certain number of months or years removed from society and the general population. They were not sentenced to death or long-term disability by coronavirus in a place that will not give them hand sanitizer, often do not have enough masks, and where social distancing is impossible.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I’m not defending it but in county jails it’s a huge problem. I clicked on the clusters tab for the small town my mom used to live in and there were 800 cases from the county jail. That’s insane. Generally people who end up in the county jail are coming in and out on minor charges which means they’re running around town and spreading it. And you have to remember it’s not just the “bad guys” who are there. There are civilians and LEOs that work in the jails as well as visitors and don’t forget transport and court hearings. So while it might seem like they’re getting preferential treatment I think the idea might be to cut a major source of spread off at the pass.

Yeah throughout my state corrections facilities identifiable for clusters at least for 5,330 cases and counting (10 deaths and no that's not just inmates, it includes staff). That is the 2nd highest number of cases associated with clusters in my state with long-term being the highest at 5,647 (sadly 614 people have died there).

The morals of providing a potentially life-saving but in short supply (initially) of a vaccine I get with respects to corrections, the reality is these facilities are way too easy to spread around and the vast majority are coming up asymptomatic (at least in my state). Some people are in for the minor drug offenses that states all around have legalized for (my state is just barely starting to maybe hmm IDK perhaps who knows look at legalizing marijuana for recreational usage), some are in because they cannot afford bail but their offense isn't violent at all and many other reasons. It's also why there's been a huge push to not have people go to jail right now for minor things but to push off to deal with it later and why places opted to allow release of certain individuals.

 

[Pyotr]

I’m not defending it but in county jails it’s a huge problem. I clicked on the clusters tab for the small town my mom used to live in and there were 800 cases from the county jail. That’s insane. Generally people who end up in the county jail are coming in and out on minor charges which means they’re running around town and spreading it. And you have to remember it’s not just the “bad guys” who are there. There are civilians and LEOs that work in the jails as well as visitors and don’t forget transport and court hearings. So while it might seem like they’re getting preferential treatment I think the idea might be to cut a major source of spread off at the pass.

I agree with this. I am frequently in jails and prisons (for work) and they definitely have a Covid problem. Jails are for people who either are serving short sentences under a year or have been charged with a crime and is pending court.

The problem is most people who are in jail are there less than the 30 days needed for both doses of the vaccine.

I certainly hope I’m high on the list for getting the vaccine and I will get it without hesitation. Hopefully the first doses will go out December 11th. There is a light and the end of the tunnel.

 

[Jonfw2]

I predicted several months ago that 3 of the 4 leading candidates would prove successful. The numbers thus far are beyond my most optimistic expectations...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...a-oxford-highly-effective-coronavirus-trials/

 

[EveDallas]

When you see the unmasked you should just point at them, don't say anything, just point. If others see that and follow, the idiot may eventually get shamed and mask up. My mask does not protect me, but yours does protect me from you.

Great idea. I'm sure the police will appreciate having to deal with the fistfights that are sure to follow.

 

[dvcgirl67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1330856139471384576

 

[Farro]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1330856139471384576

They won't have customers for quite some time, but I suppose they already are in that situation.

 

[Wakey]

The Oxford vaccine has come in this morning. It’s being wrongly reported as 70% efficacy- that’s across the entire trial- they’ve worked out on 50% initial dose and 100% second its 90% effective. Maybe because the delivery agent (a deactivated chimp virus) is actually attacked by the immune system if a 100% dose is given on first vaccination.
This is great news as the vaccine will go 25% further.
It’s a tenth of the cost of Moderna and can just be kept in normal fridges so could be the ultimate vaccine victor as it’s easy to transport and very cheap to make.

 

[mom2rtk]

Another Monday morning, another vaccine announcement. Funny how that works.

 

[kdonnel]

Maybe we can have badges we wear around indicating we've either had the virus or the vaccine and can safely travel, attend events, not wear a mask, etc.

And after a few more of these, we can start wearing them like military ribbons!

We can wear a scarlet V for those vaccinated and a scarlet D for those diseased. That way we can throughly shun those that must have done something wrong to get sick!

 

[dvcgirl67]

Another Monday morning, another vaccine announcement. Funny how that works.

Personally, I'm loving the weekly "Monday morning vaccine announcements". It's a great way to start the week. Maybe we'll get J&J next Monday.

 

[RamblingMad]

Personally, I'm loving the weekly "Monday morning vaccine announcements". It's a great way to start the week. Maybe we'll get J&J next Monday.

I’ll pass on the baby powder company.

 

[wenrob]

On the definition of “kids” this article says the youngest participants in the trials were 12-14. I took the article to mean teens are in the “young adults” category.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/1...ans-to-distribute-the-first-covid-19-vaccines