CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Jonfw2]

I suspect this was just an attempt to keep the thread from veering too far off course into choppy water.

Then why the "guess we missed October" poke?

 

[Suger Mag]

Glad to hear that.

LOL... I am happy to cut slack for the first sets of mistakes... just like i do for my students... but then you need to apply the knowledge and move forward. There is much less slack allowed when folks refuse to learn from the past... and keep on stubbornly going down the same fruitless path.

 

[Jonfw2]

LOL... I am happy to cut slack for the first sets of mistakes... just like i do for my students... but then you need to apply the knowledge and move forward. There is much less slack allowed when folks refuse to learn from the past... and keep on stubbornly going down the same fruitless path.

One example: someone reminded me today that Cuomo actually wrote a book a couple months ago about how NY state had defeated Covid. Oops! Talk about spiking the ball at midfield.

 

[Jonfw2]

"Robust" immune response....we're on the verge of being 3/3 here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/oxf...s-immune-response-among-all-adults-study.html

 

[Suger Mag]

One example: someone reminded me today that Cuomo actually wrote a book a couple months ago about how NY state had defeated Covid. Oops! Talk about spiking the ball at midfield.

LOL... yeah, premature celebration for sure.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

LOL... I am happy to cut slack for the first sets of mistakes... just like i do for my students... but then you need to apply the knowledge and move forward. There is much less slack allowed when folks refuse to learn from the past... and keep on stubbornly going down the same fruitless path.

I's a bit ironic you mention "keep on stubbornly going down the same fruitless path" because I feel like that can be applied to measures we, some, certain people, etc take right now. I feel like some areas are insistent on doing exactly or extremely close to what happened in the spring despite us knowing the outcomes.

 

[Suger Mag]

"Robust" immune response....we're on the verge of being 3/3 here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/oxf...s-immune-response-among-all-adults-study.html

Curious if that is publicity speak: Robust... ie: we are not at the 94-95 effectiveness range the other two candidates reached

 

[Heigh-Ho]

LOL... yeah, premature celebration for sure.

Personally I don't anyone should be celebrating individually like that. Our country as a whole? Yes absolutely! Our world? Very much so! But an individual state, no matter who you are? No at least not the way it was constantly done. The fact that any one leader wrote a book, during a pandemic, on how they handled the pandemic, that was very much still going on, is in terrible taste, and is extremely short-sighted. It makes me concerned how he will act towards a vaccine.

I don't mind him as a governor truthfully. I don't agree with all his choices but don't disagree with them all either. I think he lets his ego interfere with his role. He serves the people first and only. I would feel this way towards any leader though. I think governors should be looking out for their citizens but I don't think any of them should be acting like they aren't still part of a country.

Sorry for the tangent; I'll get off the soap box now

 

[sam_gordon]

I used to pay a lot of attention to that but then I realized it just kept changing too frequently and it depended on how it was asked. One month someone comes on the DIS discussing the percentage of people who wouldn't get a vaccine and then soon enough it's outdated.

For instance there's this from October comparing to mid-August:

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At this point I don't think it does much with the polls asking about likelihood of getting a vaccine. Things changes too quickly both in the public's mindset and in the advancement of the vaccines themselves.

People have to be careful how they present "facts". The chart is "how likely are you to get a Covid-19 vaccine as soon as it becomes available." It says nothing about people who plan/are willing to get the vaccine, but after it's been out a while. Whether they're waiting because they want to have more studies done or they're willing to wait long so more people who "need" the vaccine (essential workers, elderly, etc) can get it, they might plan on getting it, just not immediately.

 

[Jonfw2]

Curious if that is publicity speak: Robust... ie: we are not at the 94-95 effectiveness range the other two candidates reached

Good question- we will know soon because AZ's CEO just said they could be ready for distribution at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna.

 

[aggiedog]

For this to be the case, you would have to call the results of these studies- in which 45,000 people received the actual vaccines- coincidental. Simply a coincidence that people were developing antibodies and T cells and not getting Covid while those who got the placebo were getting it.

I totally agree. But good science doesn't assume. It proves. Don't shoot the messenger. If I can find a transcript of the NPR interview, I'll post it. Today is my crazy day at work though, so not much time for internet searches.

 

[Jonfw2]

I totally agree. But good science doesn't assume. It proves. Don't shoot the messenger. If I can find a transcript of the NPR interview, I'll post it. Today is my crazy day at work though, so not much time for internet searches.

Oh please, I'm not mad at you! Sorry if it came off that way!!!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

People have to be careful how they present "facts". The chart is "how likely are you to get a Covid-19 vaccine as soon as it becomes available." It says nothing about people who plan/are willing to get the vaccine, but after it's been out a while. Whether they're waiting because they want to have more studies done or they're willing to wait long so more people who "need" the vaccine (essential workers, elderly, etc) can get it, they might plan on getting it, just not immediately.

Yes this is exactly why I made sure to mention "and it depended on how it was asked." There was a past one poll you could clearly see the headline was used to create a different picture than the actual poll itself.

The polls just don't do much these days (or really for the last few months).

Also I have no idea who you are referring to when you say "People have to be careful how they present facts". If it's aimed at me then you're barking up the wrong tree (the other poster is probably who you'd want to discuss this issue with as they are the ones who brought up the polls) because I've been harping on the wording of the polls since the beginning..nor did I present any fact.

I literally just posted the chart to showcase my point (and I kinda thought that was obvious) that the polls are virtually meaningless now. The poster showed a poll comparing may to september, I showed a poll comparing august to october and I really just randomly google searched that. The poll results are different. People's opinions change too quickly and the vaccine development does too for the polls to really give a picture of the willingness to get the vaccine.

Maybe you meant to quote the other poster and not me or at least I don't know why you didn't quote both of us. Either way still barking up the wrong tree with me on the wording and importance of the polls.

 

[tvguy]

Was it imprudent to have them prepared early?

Not realisitic and may have diverted resources that could have saved lives.

 

[Jonfw2]

Not realisitic and may have diverted resources that could have saved lives.

How did asking the states to be ready for distribution divert resources?

 

[DLgal]

this is absolutely and entirely false. The vaccines DO PREVENT INFECTION. The infection rates for those receiving the vaccine were far lower than those who received the placebo. Because they prevent infection.

What are you even talking about?

Not so fast. Watch the most recent MedCram video about vaccines. Pay attention around 6:40.

In a nutshell, these studies looked at SYMPTOMATIC covid 19 infections. They did not simply tests all subjects for the virus to see if they came up positive. Among the cohort WITH SYMPTOMS, 95% were from the placebo group while 5% were from the actual vaccine group. Both vaccines reported NO SEVERE covid disease, which was the goal of the vaccine program.

The virus can spread to others in the absence of symptoms. Infection means "viral replication." Neither vaccine can yet claim that it PREVENTS viral replication. It prevents severe disease and is 95% successful at preventing COVID-19, which is symptomatic disease.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Then why the "guess we missed October" poke?

Well, it doesn't really read as a poke to me since it's true, October came and went without the vaccine, and no-one here was the architect of the idea that the vaccine would be here by then. Seems no more than a benign observation.

 

[mousefan73]

The WHO needs to come out with some globally accepted documentation that is universally excepted everywhere to prove a person has the shot. I know there are those global yellow books. But when countries start rolling out vaccinations there needs to be an agreement globally on how a person is able to show proof of vaccination. I think the next poop storm is going to be the chaos in people having to prove vaccination for numerous potential reasons. Whether it’s for work, travel, school etc. We are global community

 

[huskies90]

Not realisitic and may have diverted resources that could have saved lives.

This could be one of the weirdest takes I have ever read on Dis. Are you really saying that the CDC asking the local governments to be prepared for the complex infrastructure of distributing a vaccine to 335 million people ahead of schedule is a failure and cost us more lives? Do you have any idea how many lives will be lost if we screw up the vaccine distribution process? I really don't follow your logic at all. Much better to be ready a bit early than not be prepared. Target of end of October. Announcements mid November. I would say they were pretty spot on giving the ever evolving landscape. wow.

 

[Jonfw2]

This could be one of the weirdest takes I have ever read on Dis. Are you really saying that the CDC asking the local governments to be prepared for the complex infrastructure of distributing a vaccine to 335 million people ahead of schedule is a failure and cost us more lives? Do you have any idea how many lives will be lost if we screw up the vaccine distribution process? I really don't follow your logic at all. Much better to be ready a bit early than not be prepared. Target of end of October. Announcements mid November. I would say they were pretty spot on giving the ever evolving landscape. wow.

Thank you. You just said this way more cogently than I could have and in the process made me feel about 200% more sane.