CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Jonfw2]

The WHO needs to come out with some globally accepted documentation that is universally excepted everywhere to prove a person has the shot. I know there are those global yellow books. But when countries start rolling out vaccinations there needs to be an agreement globally on how a person is able to show proof of vaccination. I think the next poop storm is going to be the chaos in people having to prove vaccination for numerous potential reasons. Whether it’s for work, travel, school etc. We are global community

Absolutely agreed.

 

[Jonfw2]

Not so fast. Watch the most recent MedCram video about vaccines. Pay attention around 6:40.

In a nutshell, these studies looked at SYMPTOMATIC covid 19 infections. They did not simply tests all subjects for the virus to see if they came up positive. Among the cohort WITH SYMPTOMS, 95% were from the placebo group while 5% were from the actual vaccine group. Both vaccines reported NO SEVERE covid disease, which was the goal of the vaccine program.

The virus can spread to others in the absence of symptoms. Infection means "viral replication." Neither vaccine can yet claim that it PREVENTS viral replication. It prevents severe disease and is 95% successful at preventing COVID-19, which is symptomatic disease.

You're just parsing words now. This argument is simply not worth participating in.

But please do me one favor- for the love of God, please don't tell your loved ones- especially the older ones- that the vaccine won't prevent them from getting Covid.

 

[gwynne]

How did asking the states to be ready for distribution divert resources?

Great point! And planning for distribution is an important part of the whole operation.
Many occupations require the skills of being able to manage short term and longer term planning.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Yes this is exactly why I made sure to mention "and it depended on how it was asked." There was a past one poll you could clearly see the headline was used to create a different picture than the actual poll itself.

The polls just don't do much these days (or really for the last few months).

Also I have no idea who you are referring to when you say "People have to be careful how they present facts". If it's aimed at me then you're barking up the wrong tree (the other poster is probably who you'd want to discuss this issue with as they are the ones who brought up the polls) because I've been harping on the wording of the polls since the beginning..nor did I present any fact.

I literally just posted the chart to showcase my point (and I kinda thought that was obvious) that the polls are virtually meaningless now. The poster showed a poll comparing may to september, I showed a poll comparing august to october and I really just randomly google searched that. The poll results are different. People's opinions change too quickly and the vaccine development does too for the polls to really give a picture of the willingness to get the vaccine.

Maybe you meant to quote the other poster and not me or at least I don't know why you didn't quote both of us. Either way still barking up the wrong tree with me on the wording and importance of the polls.

I got what you were meaning

I don't blame all these research companies or news outlets from wanting to know how people feel. There just seems to be too much rapid change at the moment. By the time the polls are conducted, the results coded out, the story written it could all change. And we know that certain events can directly impact the results too.

 

[ford family]

Well, it doesn't really read as a poke to me since it's true, October came and went without the vaccine, and no-one here was the architect of the idea that the vaccine would be here by then. Seems no more than a benign observation.

For which the Community Board is world famous!

ford family

 

[DLgal]

You're just parsing words now. This argument is simply not worth participating in.

But please do me one favor- for the love of God, please don't tell your loved ones- especially the older ones- that the vaccine won't prevent them from getting Covid.

I'm really not "parsing words." The word "infection" means something very specific in regards to vaccines.

Listen, I am ALL for the vaccine. Literally any vaccine. I get them all. But I also understand science and medical stuff and you can't just make baseless claims that haven't yet been proven.

Most people don't realize that vaccines are designed to prevent serious ILLNESS, they are not designed to ward off viruses and bacteria like some force field. They don't form an invisible barrier of protection. They teach your immune system how to fight off invaders, but the invaders still get into your body. Whether or not the vaccine can create a response quick enough to prevent viral replication is always a question.

The flu shot, for example, does not prevent you from getting the flu. It prevents you from getting so sick from the flu that you die. It's an important distinction.

It's also why they are saying that even after you get a COVID-19 vaccine, you might still have to wear a mask for awhile. This isn't a silver bullet solution.

 

[tvguy]

This could be one of the weirdest takes I have ever read on Dis. Are you really saying that the CDC asking the local governments to be prepared for the complex infrastructure of distributing a vaccine to 335 million people ahead of schedule is a failure and cost us more lives? Do you have any idea how many lives will be lost if we screw up the vaccine distribution process? I really don't follow your logic at all. Much better to be ready a bit early than not be prepared. Target of end of October. Announcements mid November. I would say they were pretty spot on giving the ever evolving landscape. wow.

Really? We didn't even get our first get our first information on what infrastructure will need to be built to distribute the first of the vaccines (super low temperature). That seems to be one of the problems we have had with the pandemic, getting off track with the reality of where the virus, and vaccines are.

 

[Jonfw2]

Really? We didn't even get our first get our first information on what infrastructure will need to be built to distribute the first of the vaccines (super low temperature). That seems to be one of the problems we have had with the pandemic, getting off track with the reality of where the virus, and vaccines are.

The fact that one of the vaccines requires very cold storage is EXACTLY WHY IT WAS CRITICAL TO PREPARE EARLY.

 

[Jonfw2]

I'm really not "parsing words." The word "infection" means something very specific in regards to vaccines.

Listen, I am ALL for the vaccine. Literally any vaccine. I get them all. But I also understand science and medical stuff and you can't just make baseless claims that haven't yet been proven.

Most people don't realize that vaccines are designed to prevent serious ILLNESS, they are not designed to ward off viruses and bacteria like some force field. They don't form an invisible barrier of protection. They teach your immune system how to fight off invaders, but the invaders still get into your body. Whether or not the vaccine can create a response quick enough to prevent viral replication is always a question.

The flu shot, for example, does not prevent you from getting the flu. It prevents you from getting so sick from the flu that you die. It's an important distinction.

It's also why they are saying that even after you get a COVID-19 vaccine, you might still have to wear a mask for awhile. This isn't a silver bullet solution.

Agree or disagree: when enough people worldwide get one of these two (or three or more) vaccines, then Covid is effectively over.

 

[tvguy]

The fact that one of the vaccines requires very cold storage is EXACTLY WHY IT WAS CRITICAL TO PREPARE EARLY.

Before next week that wasn't even known. How do you prepare for that? My DIL works at a hospital and THAT is what they are scrambling in the past week to deal with.

 

[sam_gordon]

Also I have no idea who you are referring to when you say "People have to be careful how they present facts". If it's aimed at me then you're barking up the wrong tree (the other poster is probably who you'd want to discuss this issue with as they are the ones who brought up the polls) because I've been harping on the wording of the polls since the beginning..nor did I present any fact.

Not targeted at you, just people in general. Someone could look at the chart you posted and (erroneously claim or believe) that fewer people now plan to get the vaccine than earlier. My post was more just a word of warning that when (general) people post "facts", unfortunately, you now need to read the "facts" carefully to make sure they present the story the original poster claims it does.

A couple of weeks ago a coworker and I were watching our Governor's daily briefing. He put up a chart (I can't remember if it was deaths or cases) that you could see the definite rise over time. It looked REALY bad. Then I got closer to the chart so I could read the Y axis. The chart ranged from 0 to .55 (yes just over 1/2) cases per 100K. The chart was entirely accurate I'm sure. But the scale they used made it look much worse. Of course, they didn't mention what the scale was. They just talked about the rapid increase.

 

[Jonfw2]

Before next week that wasn't even known. How do you prepare for that? My DIL works at a hospital and THAT is what they are scrambling in the past week to deal with.

I'm sorry- you are claiming no one knew until last week that the Pfizer vaccine needed cold storage?

 

[tvguy]

I'm sorry- you are claiming no one knew until last week that the Pfizer vaccine needed cold storage?

If they did, it was not well publicized. Like I posted, having first hand knowledge THAT is the issue now, finding a source of the extreme cold storage equipment, ordering it, setting up the equipment and setting up a delivery system that can maintain that temperature

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Really? We didn't even get our first get our first information on what infrastructure will need to be built to distribute the first of the vaccines (super low temperature). That seems to be one of the problems we have had with the pandemic, getting off track with the reality of where the virus, and vaccines are.

I do have to agree with others on this one. It was good to know a few months ago that one of the vaccines being researched showed a limitation of ultra cold storage, we've dealt with cold chain vaccines before just not this cold.

But I want to say what, we the public, have been given and what the government had shared and talked with those involved in the distribution are two different things. I have confidence that behind the scenes there are many things already discussed and worked with with the allowance for adjustments needed.

Before next week that wasn't even known. How do you prepare for that? My DIL works at a hospital and THAT is what they are scrambling in the past week to deal with.

I'm sorry what are you even talking about here? We've been talking about the ultra-low cold storage temps for months now. And at least my state was told when they submitted their vaccine distribution plans a month ago to the CDC to not worry yet about beefing up ultra-cold storage capacities (and I posted about that here on the DIS twice already).

I know many of us posters have been down this road before but we can't be held to what your experiences often come out as. They are simply too unique most often.

If they did, it was not well publicized. Like I posted, having first hand knowledge THAT is the issue now, finding a source of the extreme cold storage equipment, ordering it, setting up the equipment and setting up a delivery system that can maintain that temperature

Uh yes they were WELL publicized.

 

[Jonfw2]

If they did, it was not well publicized. Like I posted, having first hand knowledge THAT is the issue now, finding a source of the extreme cold storage equipment, ordering it, setting up the equipment and setting up a delivery system that can maintain that temperature

Okay. Just wanted to make sure you were really earning this mute...

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Not targeted at you, just people in general. Someone could look at the chart you posted and (erroneously claim or believe) that fewer people now plan to get the vaccine than earlier. My post was more just a word of warning that when (general) people post "facts", unfortunately, you now need to read the "facts" carefully to make sure they present the story the original poster claims it does.

A couple of weeks ago a coworker and I were watching our Governor's daily briefing. He put up a chart (I can't remember if it was deaths or cases) that you could see the definite rise over time. It looked REALY bad. Then I got closer to the chart so I could read the Y axis. The chart ranged from 0 to .55 (yes just over 1/2) cases per 100K. The chart was entirely accurate I'm sure. But the scale they used made it look much worse. Of course, they didn't mention what the scale was. They just talked about the rapid increase.

Gotcha and I don't disagree on being careful (I've been very vocal about that and I spoke to the wording in the comment you quoted).

Someone could look at the chart the other poster posted and (erroneously claim or believe) that fewer people now plan to get the vaccine than earlier so I guess I don't know why you singled out my post to give the warning especially because I've been a person who has been vocal about making sure people pay attention to the wording and actually look at the poll itself not just the headline, not just the snippet but the whole bit. The other poster is your intended audience, not me.

Either way it's all good now and I'll move on

 

[Jonfw2]

Here's my read on people's perception of the vaccine: I predict many more people will get it than expected due to the following:

1. They'll see friends and family do it and feel a sense of community pressure.
2. They will see prohibitions for the non-vaccinated at places of business and entertainment.
3. The overall trust level will be higher under Biden than Trump.

 

[Jonfw2]

Pfizer will file for EUA tomorrow.

 

[sam_gordon]

Gotcha and I don't disagree on being careful (I've been very vocal about that and I spoke to the wording in the comment you quoted).

Someone could look at the chart the other poster posted and (erroneously claim or believe) that fewer people now plan to get the vaccine than earlier so I guess I don't know why you singled out my post to give the warning especially because I've been a person who has been vocal about making sure people pay attention to the wording and actually look at the poll itself not just the headline, not just the snippet but the whole bit. The other poster is your intended audience, not me.

Either way it's all good now and I'll move on

Actually, I almost called the other poster to task because they actually cut off part of the chart (you can tell by the wording at the top and bottom). I just thought your chart was a better example of the point I was trying to make. Nothing personal.

Moving on...

 

[DLgal]

Agree or disagree: when enough people worldwide get one of these two (or three or more) vaccines, then Covid is effectively over.

Well, yeah, Covid as a pandemic will be over. Covid will still exist, like the flu. These vaccines won't be able to eradicate the virus like the smallpox one because we don't yet know whether they confer lifelong immunity. Thus, we will have to keep getting vaccinated every 6 months to a year, until they have enough data looked at over several years to know definitively how long the immunity protection lasts. Ideally, everyone in the world would get vaccinated the first time around and the virus would literally disappear, but that's a pipe dream.