CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Pyotr]

So, let's say this reaction IS from the vaccine. And let's say it's a rare reaction... say 1 out of every 1000(?) people who get the vaccine has the reaction. Is that "safe enough" for you to still get the vaccine?

Before you say "of course", if I do my math right (someone correct me if I'm wrong), 1:1000 would be 1000:1M. According to worldometers, Covid has cause 587 deaths/million population in the US. So wouldn't that mean you stand a better chance of having this side effect (yes, assuming the 1:1000) than dying from Covid? And yes, death is not the only possible end result from getting the disease.

I just read an article on Statnews that there was the same reaction in July and the trial was halted. It was discovered that the person had MS.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-hold-patient-report/

 

[mom2rtk]

I just read an article on Statnews that there was the same reaction in July and the trial was halted. It was discovered that the person had MS.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-hold-patient-report/

I was just talking to a friend about this and said it could be so many things. Given the myelin involvement, I wondered if it was possible this person might have undiagnosed MS.

 

[sam_gordon]

I just read an article on Statnews that there was the same reaction in July and the trial was halted. It was discovered that the person had MS.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-hold-patient-report/

So do you have an answer to my question?

 

[quandrea]

So, let's say this reaction IS from the vaccine. And let's say it's a rare reaction... say 1 out of every 1000(?) people who get the vaccine has the reaction. Is that "safe enough" for you to still get the vaccine?

Before you say "of course", if I do my math right (someone correct me if I'm wrong), 1:1000 would be 1000:1M. According to worldometers, Covid has cause 587 deaths/million population in the US. So wouldn't that mean you stand a better chance of having this side effect (yes, assuming the 1:1000) than dying from Covid? And yes, death is not the only possible end result from getting the disease.

Not the Op, but I’ll answer your question. Yes, sign my up. The amount of hysteria and fear mongering on this thread is crazy. This halt in the trial is due to a potential side effect of many vaccines. If anything, it demonstrates that safety measures are being taken seriously.

 

[Hikergirl]

Not the Op, but I’ll answer your question. Yes, sign my up. The amount of hysteria and fear mongering on this thread is crazy. This halt in the trial is due to a potential side effect of many vaccines. If anything, it demonstrates that safety measures are being taken seriously.

So you find logic and critical thought frightening?

 

[quandrea]

So you find logic and critical thought frightening?

Not a lot of logic or critical thinking from my point of view.

 

[Hikergirl]

Not a lot of logic or critical thinking from my point of view.

Yes it's obvious by your pp that you see it as "hysteria and fear mongering" hence my question.
Clearly you see people wanting to know more about the aspects of the study or the vaccine and the possible issues with it as being hysterical, and mentioning it here is akin to fear mongering.

 

[DLgal]

Not the Op, but I’ll answer your question. Yes, sign my up. The amount of hysteria and fear mongering on this thread is crazy. This halt in the trial is due to a potential side effect of many vaccines. If anything, it demonstrates that safety measures are being taken seriously.

I would also add, IF it is a side effect, it kind of proves that the vaccine works to mount an immune response. I mean, sure, that process can go haywire in a TINY fraction of people, but it's a known side effect in all effective vaccines (along with things like GB syndrome).

 

[quandrea]

Yes it's obvious by your pp that you see it as "hysteria and fear mongering" hence my question.

People are getting hysterical over this event. The trial has been halted. This is a routine response. What we see are protocols being followed. This response actually proves science is being adhered to. The whole thread is filled with people saying they don’t know what they’ll be taking, how can this be safe, blah, blah, blah. That is not critical thinking. That is fear mongering and hysteria. I’ll see myself out. Back to the scientific journals.

 

[Pyotr]

So do you have an answer to my question?

How many people have the vaccine? Let’s say about 12,500. There has been one serious reaction that may or may not be related to the vaccine. Is it “safe enough?” I don’t know. I’m not qualified to make that call.

Would I take it tomorrow if offered? In a heartbeat.

 

[Jonfw2]

So, let's say this reaction IS from the vaccine. And let's

Before you say "of course", if I do my math right (someone correct me if I'm wrong), 1:1000 would be 1000:1M. According to worldometers, Covid has cause 587 deaths/million population in the US. So wouldn't that mean you stand a better chance of having this side effect (yes, assuming the 1:1000) than dying from Covid? And yes, death is not the only possible end result from getting the disease.

Fair. But please bear in mind that there are 3 studies going on with close to 30,000 people in each, so that's around 40,000 people who have received a vaccine (minus the placebos). This is so far 1:40,000. And that's assuming this illness was a side effect and not something unrelated.

 

[DLgal]

So, let's say this reaction IS from the vaccine. And let's say it's a rare reaction... say 1 out of every 1000(?) people who get the vaccine has the reaction. Is that "safe enough" for you to still get the vaccine?

Before you say "of course", if I do my math right (someone correct me if I'm wrong), 1:1000 would be 1000:1M. According to worldometers, Covid has cause 587 deaths/million population in the US. So wouldn't that mean you stand a better chance of having this side effect (yes, assuming the 1:1000) than dying from Covid? And yes, death is not the only possible end result from getting the disease.

Just for comparison sake, a "rare" side effect of the influenza vaccine that is similar is Guillain Barre syndrome.

That occurs in an ESTIMATED 1:1,000,000 vaccinated. This is a known data point, based on the Vaccine Adverse Events website. GB more commonly develops after an ACTUAL bout with influenza.

This *may* be a similar situation. We already know that this virus can affect nerves and could cause spinal inflammation. We don't yet know how common this is, but if this ALSO starts being seen in Covid-19 patients, it may be a situation where it could happen either way, but would be more likely to happen as a result of a coronavirus infection.

Of course, that is assuming the vaccine ends up being directly responsible for this illness.

 

[godisney14]

FYI...so we are all on the same page, and not having everyone guessing how the FDA and trials work.

Trials are paused for review when there is an unanticipated, suspected adverse reaction or a known reaction that occurs more frequently in the study cohort than anticipated in a population. The fact that it was reported means that there was suspicion of causality. Not definitive until further review, but enough to suspect it.

 

[RamblingMad]

This is a process. Let’s go through the process. This takes time, which is why the video I posted earlier projects a vaccine no earlier than next summer for the broad population. This is the timeline we have to work with in this new normal. I say this more from a planning perspective. I wouldn’t plan any at risk vacations until the last half of next year. And I’ll plan my purchases for staying at home as well. Lots of LEGOs and video games. This provides a guide going into next year.

 

[mousefan73]

I just wanted to add another business/investor angle comment to all of this. A lot of people put “big bad Pharma “ as the evil guy only looking to make money. Yes these are big profit companies that have shareholders looking at stock prices. But the worst thing that can happen is shooting themselves in the foot by releasing a drug that is ineffective or dangerous. You cannot make money off of that. AstraZeneca in their case has many other profitable drugs on the market and are not dependent on a successful Covid drug for their balance sheets. From my understanding , development for this vaccine is driven by the University of Oxford where Astrazeneca came on boat for production and distribution.
It’s a different case for Moderna. They have a lot riding on the development of a Covid vaccine especially with their technology that has yet to be developed into a product approved. They are basically a Pharma start up taking chances a new technology (mRNA) which hasn’t a product yet FDA approves. They are a biotech company with tons of money from an IPO based on promises.

 

[DLgal]

This is a process. Let’s go through the process. This takes time, which is why the video I posted earlier projects a vaccine no earlier than next summer for the broad population. This is the timeline we have to work with in this new normal. I say this more from a planning perspective. I wouldn’t plan any at risk vacations until the last half of next year. And I’ll plan my purchases for staying at home as well. Lots of LEGOs and video games. This provides a guide going into next year.

Agree, as does my husband, who just sent me a video of a new 3,000+ piece Lego set: Mos Eisley Cantina, that he WILL be buying.

 

[RamblingMad]

Agree, as does my husband, who just sent me a video of a new 3,000+ piece Lego set: Mos Eisley Cantina, that he WILL be buying.

Did you see Diagon Alley? The at home economy is a shift we have to get used to.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Yes it's obvious by your pp that you see it as "hysteria and fear mongering" hence my question.
Clearly you see people wanting to know more about the aspects of the study or the vaccine and the possible issues with it as being hysterical, and mentioning it here is akin to fear mongering.

How long are we supposed to wait until we know "more"? My thoughts...it will be years. Everyone has their comfort level. I hope it will be a personal choice...not a mandate.

 

[RamblingMad]

How long are we supposed to wait until we know "more"? My thoughts...it will be years. Everyone has their comfort level. I hope it will be a personal choice...not a mandate.

Next summer.

 

[DLgal]

Did you see Diagon Alley? The at home economy is a shift we have to get used to.

I did. It's a beautiful set, but not something we are personally interested in. I love HP, but I'm not the lego nut in the house.

No joke, though...we have already spent around $2500 on Lego since March. We dropped $700 on just the Super Mario Lego series. $400 for the Lamborghini Sian, $120 on the Mickey and Minnie set, the Mandolorian sets, etc. It never ends in this house.