CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[DLgal]

Here is one third of their total argument:

"There is no highly effective vaccine or antiviral treatment for coronavirus. A disease that can be eradicated must be either preventable or curable. Smallpox is preventable with a vaccine. Hepatitis C is curable with certain antiviral drugs. (Because of this, some in the biomedical community are pushing for the eradication of hepatitis C.) But a highly effective vaccine for COVID is unlikely, given that humans probably don't develop long-lasting immunity to coronaviruses. Besides, some vaccines are unimpressive to begin with. The 2017-18 seasonal flu vaccine, for instance, was merely 38% effective."

The other 2/3 overrides the existence of an effective vaccine.

 

[Jonfw2]

The other 2/3 overrides the existence of an effective vaccine.

Haha. Okay. I guess I didn't read that part.

I guess I was focused on how universally wrong he was proven in literally a month.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It was eradicated by a vaccine with efficacy similar to the new Covid vaccines.

And I'm certainly not convinced Covid will be eradicated by the end of next year. But I do believe that it will be.

Vaccines themselves as an entity aren't responsible for eradication as we have vaccines for multiple other things and yet have not been able to eradicate them. The right vaccine with the right virus with the right strain etc all come together. We have no idea how an impact on a mass vaccination over time with coronavirus will be, we don't have several years at least to built a trend (whatever that trend may be).

Of course one hopes it's gone for good..good riddance for sure..but it wouldn't be realistic if we didn't consider that it may not be. I guess I'm not sure why the disagreement here because no one is advocating for people to not get vaccinated.

 

[Jonfw2]

Vaccines themselves as an entity aren't responsible for eradication as we have vaccines for multiple other things and yet have not been able to eradicate them. The right vaccine with the right virus with the right strain etc all come together. We have no idea how an impact on a mass vaccination over time with coronavirus will be, we don't have several years at least to built a trend (whatever that trend may be).

Of course one hopes it's gone for good..good riddance for sure..but it wouldn't be realistic if we didn't consider that it may not be. I guess I'm not sure why the disagreement here because no one is advocating for people to not get vaccinated.

I'm not interested in any disagreement. it's my opinion, based on the efficacy of the known vaccines, that we can, in fact, eradicate Covid. I could absolutely be wrong.

 

[DopeyDame]

The efficacy of a vaccine is only half the battle (and usually the easier half). The distribution of vaccines has been, and likely will continue to be, a huge challenge. Getting vaccinations to less developed parts of the world, and convincing people around the world to take the vaccine, is a huge public health challenge.
It's one of the reasons it was such a stupid move for the US not to participate with the WHO for this. We *all* benefit when vaccines are equitably distributed.

 

[rjb123]

We can eradicate Covid with these vaccines. And I suspect we will. I think you will see that by this time next year, it is virtually gone in the US.

I beleive this can happen ONLY if it is mandated for people to have the vaccine to participate in society. For entry into schools, to fly on a plane, to go into a restaurant, to go to a football game, to attend college, etc. If not, there are too many out there who won't get one.

 

[jlwhitney]

I beleive this can happen ONLY if it is mandated for people to have the vaccine to participate in society. For entry into schools, to fly on a plane, to go into a restaurant, to go to a football game, to attend college, etc. If not, there are too many out there who won't get one.

There are also people that medically won’t be able to get it and even if we did it will take years to get it every pocket of the world. I am not an anti Vaxer but I don’t believe at all in vaccines being mandated to that extent and it will never happen .

Also COVID isn’t easily distinguishable from other cold/flu Illnesses. It’s not easy to look at someone or from symptoms be able to confidently say if they have it or not like small pox, Measles and such . When many that have it have no symptoms or think it’s allergies or a minor cold will make it impossible.

 

[Jonfw2]

There are also people that medically won’t be able to get it and even if we did it will take years to get it every pocket of the world. I am not an anti Vaxer but I don’t believe at all in vaccines being mandated to that extent and it will never happen .

Also COVID isn’t easily distinguishable from other cold/flu Illnesses. It’s not easy to look at someone or from symptoms be able to confidently say if they have it or not like small pox, Measles and such . When many that have it have no symptoms or think it’s allergies or a minor cold will make it impossible.

Counterpoint: if the symptoms are universally reduced to so minor that it’s less than a cold, I’d argue the word “eradicated” could apply.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Counterpoint: if the symptoms are universally reduced to so minor that it’s less than a cold, I’d argue the word “eradicated” could apply.

That's not what that means though. Respectfully you can't change the goal posts. If you want to go with the above comment that would mean it's endemic..like I said before..but you didn't seem to agree with that.

 

[Jonfw2]

That's not what that means though. Respectfully you can't change the goal posts. If you want to go with the above comment that would mean it's endemic..like I said before..but you didn't seem to agree with that.

I’m not arguing that’s going to be the outcome. I’m just saying if it were, we’re no longer going to even bother talking about it as Covid anymore.

My base case is still that it will be essentially eradicated by next fall.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I’m not arguing that’s going to be the outcome. I’m just saying if it were, we’re no longer going to even bother talking about it as Covid anymore.

My base case is still that it will be essentially eradicated by next fall.

I think you're using terms and making them your own definition for what it means in this situation or that. I mean that's fine and all but it's also confusing as you switch up what you mean from one moment to the next.

If people still are able to contract coronavirus and it's still circulating within the population in a detectable amount it's not eradicated, even if it was mild, even if it was more mild than a cold. If however the presence of it continues in a population in a regular interval, like a cold, it's endemic. You have said eradication in both instances but they mean very different things. No one says a cold is eradicated even though most cases are quite mild (after all we've named it in everyday terms a common cold) and we don't talk about colds with the same hyperawareness like we do covid right now. We talk about colds in a blase matter which I believe your "if the symptoms are universally reduced to so minor that it’s less than a cold" would fit that.

 

[bcla]

I think you're using terms and making them your own definition for what it means in this situation or that. I mean that's fine and all but it's also confusing as you switch up what you mean from one moment to the next.

If people still are able to contract coronavirus and it's still circulating within the population in a detectable amount it's not eradicated, even if it was mild, even if it was more mild than a cold. If however the presence of it continues in a population in a regular interval, like a cold, it's endemic. You have said eradication in both instances but they mean very different things. No one says a cold is eradicated even though most cases are quite mild (after all we've named it in everyday terms a common cold) and we don't talk about colds with the same hyperawareness like we do covid right now. We talk about colds in a blase matter which I believe your "if the symptoms are universally reduced to so minor that it’s less than a cold" would fit that.

The gist of the "common cold" is that it's not a single viral illness, so that random cast of characters (I've heard as many as 200 different viruses) means that a different viruses might come by that causes pretty much the same mild symptoms.

I found out there was a common cold vaccine developed in the 1950s. But it wasn't terribly useful because it only worked on that single virus strain. Still - it remains to be seen if maybe a vaccine for Covid-19 will be effective against all strains. It may very well be.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The gist of the "common cold" is that it's not a single viral illness, so that random cast of characters (I've heard as many as 200 different viruses) means that a different viruses might come by that causes pretty much the same mild symptoms.

I found out there was a common cold vaccine developed in the 1950s. But it wasn't terribly useful because it only worked on that single virus strain. Still - it remains to be seen if maybe a vaccine for Covid-19 will be effective against all strains. It may very well be.

I was saying that the cold is something we deal with on an everyday basis, we don't think much of it, we discuss it as just a common cold. Yes it comprised of many different things grouped together, but its effect on our lives is most of the time "meh". But that doesn't mean we talk about it like it's eradicated despite being most of the time mild in its effects.

 

[bcla]

I was saying that the cold is something we deal with on an everyday basis, we don't think much of it, we discuss it as just a common cold. Yes it comprised of many different things grouped together, but its effect on our lives is most of the time "meh". But that doesn't mean we talk about it like it's eradicated despite being most of the time mild in its effects.

Understood about the typical mildness. However - Covid 19 seems to be mild most of the time, but when it's not it seems to be brutal and seems to be far easier to transmit than the common cold. I've never heard of anyone dying from the common cold, although I'm sure it's happened.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Understood about the typical mildness. However - Covid 19 seems to be mild most of the time, but when it's not it seems to be brutal and seems to be far easier to transmit than the common cold. I've never heard of anyone dying from the common cold, although I'm sure it's happened.

Sorry this may be veering off too far. The reason cold was discussed was because of this: "if the symptoms are universally reduced to so minor that it’s less than a cold, I’d argue the word “eradicated” could apply." and the discussion before that related to covid mimicking symptoms related to allergies and cold. I was also under the impression this discussion was related to effects humans have with a covid vaccine in their systems. So if a vaccine ended up reducing covid to being like a cold or less than that sort of discussion.

 

[Jonfw2]

I think you're using terms and making them your own definition for what it means in this situation or that. I mean that's fine and all but it's also confusing as you switch up what you mean from one moment to the next.

If people still are able to contract coronavirus and it's still circulating within the population in a detectable amount it's not eradicated, even if it was mild, even if it was more mild than a cold. If however the presence of it continues in a population in a regular interval, like a cold, it's endemic. You have said eradication in both instances but they mean very different things. No one says a cold is eradicated even though most cases are quite mild (after all we've named it in everyday terms a common cold) and we don't talk about colds with the same hyperawareness like we do covid right now. We talk about colds in a blase matter which I believe your "if the symptoms are universally reduced to so minor that it’s less than a cold" would fit that.

Very clear: it is my belief that Covid will be essentially eradicated by next Fall.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

The efficacy of a vaccine is only half the battle (and usually the easier half). The distribution of vaccines has been, and likely will continue to be, a huge challenge. Getting vaccinations to less developed parts of the world, and convincing people around the world to take the vaccine, is a huge public health challenge.
It's one of the reasons it was such a stupid move for the US not to participate with the WHO for this. We *all* benefit when vaccines are equitably distributed.

Fauci found himself in hot water when he "suggested that UK regulators had not scrutinized the data on the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine as carefully as their US counterparts, and that the British approval had been "rushed." "We have the gold standard of a regulatory approach with the [Food and Drug Administration]. The UK did not do it as carefully and they got a couple of days ahead."

He quickly realized it came out not how he intended to and followed up with "There really has been a misunderstanding, and for that, I'm sorry and I apologize for that. I do have great faith in both the scientific community and the regulatory community at the UK. We do things a certain way in the United States, possibly a little different, not necessarily better or worse than what's done in the UK, and I think that's where we slipped, where I slipped. I made it seem one was better than the other. We just do it a little bit differently."

I agree it's really important to have the vaccine equitably distributed. I was reading an article about the economic impacts globally if we consider lesser thought of countries instead of leaving them mostly out. But I do think even with saying we would want and for the countries involved for vaccine equitably when it comes down to it a country or region will inevitably want their citizens to be the ones vaccinated and the quickest. We have a moral obligation to that but we also have a moral obligation to the globe at large such that we don't forget them.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Very clear: it is my belief that Covid will be essentially eradicated by next Fall.

I understood that part very clearly. I think we all did. Your usage of the word eradicated interchangeably was my bone of contention. Either way let's move on ; don't mean for this to be back and forth.

 

[Jonfw2]

I understood that part very clearly. I think we all did. Your usage of the word eradicated interchangeably was my bone of contention. Either way let's move on ; don't mean for this to be back and forth.

Allow me to define then: there will be virtually no diagnosed cases by next fall.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

@Jonfw2 I got it okay? no need to continue