Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[irishbosoxfan]

I too was looking at the prosecution list, and who is Shirley Plesea? Is she part of the OCSO?

She is Cindy's mom

 

[pigletgirl]

She is Cindy's mom

Hmmm, I didnt think Cindy's parents were "apart" of this..

I thought Cindy wanted to keep them out.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

Hmmm, I didnt think Cindy's parents were "apart" of this..

I thought Cindy wanted to keep them out.

Cindy doesn't have a say in it. She was more than likely subpeoned. Probably to testify about Casey stealing her checks and if not that then she will testify to being with Cindy and Caylee on June 15th.

 

[Seahunt]

Hmmm, I didnt think Cindy's parents were "apart" of this..

Shirley was one of the last people to see Caylee the day before she went missing. Cindy drove Caylee to her home right after the nursing home visit of 6/15/08, and great grandma fed Caylee a peaut butter and jelly sandwich (she fixed chili, but Caylee didn't like it ).

Casey also stole money from her, but I don't know if that will come in.

 

[hereyago]

Does anyone know how many TOTAL witnesses for this case? Someone mentioned Dr. G? I like her, i want to see Baez try to imply even she has financial gain in this case

 

[chris1gill]

Wow! That was interesting. Can't wait until Dr. G. takes the stand. Looks like she can hold her own.

"No, I don't answer yes or no" I love her.... I hope she riles Mason up good, I can't stand that buffoon.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Just home from my hair appt (with no frizz! ) and catching up here. Apparently I didn't miss much court time...poor Casey , getting sick and all! Going to watch the rest of court now, then whatever the heck else I have set to record. LOL I just hope we didn't lose power here, like they did at the salon.

well right now i have an appointment with the specialist tomorrow morning to discuss what comes next.

i will get ultrasounds done once or twice a week to see if the fluid is building up which is also causing the amniotic flutic to build up - apparently normally a pregnant women has about 1ltr i have about 3.5ltrs so he may take some out tomorrow morning.

We'll be taking it one day at ta time as to if they induse me early or leave her in. whatevers best for babe.

NICU will take her the second she is born - if we manage to do the procedure again and get the tubes in the still need to take her to clamp off the tubes and get her breathing. if we can't get the tubes in they will have to do that as soon as she is born so that she can take her first breath.

it's a total learning process - one i never imagined i'd have to do.

Well, we're all here for you! Keep us posted.

I'm sure that Baez wishes that the jury would know thinking it would get her some sympathy. But the judge will make sure they never know she had a breakdown, because it doesn't have to with the facts of the case and could influence them.

I wonder tho if Baez would want the jury to think that she was so overcome with emotion reliving the terrible day of Caylee's accidental drowning. Or that it was George who buried her, so this whole aspect of it...the facts surrounding her burial...was new to her and just so emotional.

I was going to say the same exact thing. The defense maintains she got out before anyone else was awake. So are we to believe she dressed herself first? They'll allege she slept in regular clothing.

Actually, what Baez said in his opening statement was this: "Early morning hours the exact time is not known...it could have been early afternoon...early morning...actually it was the early morning hours. " So, that's clear!

May I ask what words you used to google them, or better yet, maybe PM me a link? Or both?

Why not just post the link? Everyone can choose whether to click on them or not.

I was reviewing the prosecution's witness list (thanks Mare!) and noticed that Kronk isn't on it. I find it interesting that the person who discovered the remains wouldn't at least be subpoenaed.

I understand why they probably don't want him on the stand after hearing that the defense wants to accuse him of moving the remains. But the witness list was set before opening arguments, wasn't it? I hope there isn't a problem with him that could hurt the case.

The commentators were saying that the prosecution didn't want to let Baez use a cross examination of Kronk to take away from their testimony about the burial location and pictures. I'm sure they knew a long time ago that Kronk was controversial.

Cindy doesn't have a say in it. She was more than likely subpeoned. Probably to testify about Casey stealing her checks and if not that then she will testify to being with Cindy and Caylee on June 15th.

I don't think they can bring up the stolen checks, so I'm not sure what she would testify about.

 

[Aisling]

May I ask what words you used to google them, or better yet, maybe PM me a link? Or both?

Oh, sorry. I googled imaged caylee anthony remains and there were several sources that showed the one photo. here is the one I clicked:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQm9iklH3KzFlav8ydvV_a2LAxeIbcpVIYhXmzKTh8YXSaw95Hg&t=1

 

[Seahunt]

If you believe in body language clues, Dr Lillian Glass (body language expert) says:

After listening to Casey’s jailhouse tapes where she is speaking to her parents and separately to her father, it is now understandable why her parents wanted so much to believe their daughter. If you just listened to these tapes without looking at her body language, Casey sounds very credible. She is fluent and rarely hesitates.She sounds bright and articulate and is very convincing. But if you look at her body language while she is speaking, it tells completely different story.

Below are some of her statements along with tells of deception.

I’ve been asking every question I could possibly think of ( looks away shakes head no)

It’s the truth that’s all we want. (shoulder shrug)

I know she’s Ok (shakes head no)

Even on her birthday the entire day (flips her hair)

The only letters I’ve gotten have been very positive (shoulder shrug)

I want Caylee more than anyone can understand (shakes head no)

I told you everything ( shakes head no)

Little Caylee is like you and I (chuckles and shakes her head no)

All I want is to see Caylee( said with no emotion and shakes head no)

I wanna be there when she comes home (shrugs shoulder)

These are only a few of the signs she isn’t telling the truth about what she is really feeling. She speaks in a monotone a flat affect when discussing Caylee and trying to help find her.

CASEY EMOTES ONLY WHEN IT IS ABOUT HER

We see an overly confident cocky bratty girl who essentially runs her parents. She runs the show with jer charm, manipulation and anger and good looks. It is so easy to see why her family and friends and boyfriends wanted to belive this confident sounding, pretty girl.

We hear her parents walk on eggshells with her. They use soft tones and terms of endearment to appease her. She seems to react well to that tone at times. But other times we hear a harshness and an anger in her tone. It is as though there is a bipolarity in her speech pattern. Taht does not mean that I am diagnosing her as being bipolar. She may very well be bipolar among among other diagnosis like a sociopath, but only proper testing and a formal diagnosis by a psychiatrist could determine that for sure.

The other thing that I noticed in George and Cindy’s communication behavior with Casey is that they give her agreat deal of power. They tell her that she is the boss and she is in charge. Perhaps it is their way of trying to get informaiton out of her. There are alot of “I love you’s” and tender words from her parents.

The truest sense of emotion displayed by Casey was when her father spoke of how people were so supportive of finding Caylee and about the work by charity volunteers. at times Casey was beaming a smile with pride. But then she would begin to cry real tears and the she would get angry. Casey broke down with real tears and real grief emergerd as she knew Caylee would never come home, despite her father’s efforts.

Casey did display genuine emotion when it came to discussing herself and her needs as you can see by some of her statements below.

Cindy says “Dad boiled up at the media Casey says(Yah I heard (laughs)

(to Cindy) Do You understand how I feel? I’ve been here a month. (angry)

To George you says to Casey ” you are the boss “- Not anymore. No I haven’t been since I got here (angry)

Can someone let me speak? No one’s letting me speak. (angry)

I’ve spent the day all alone in bed with my head under the covers (crys)

I read my bible almost the entire day, It was miserable (angry)

Cindy The latest is Casey drowned in the pool. Casey( Surprise surprise) (sarcasm)

My entire life has been taken from me (anger)

I have no one to comfort me but myself ( sadness)

For this entire time I sat in my room I haven’t been mad once but this one time –I;m so hurt by everything I don’t know what to say. (anger) NO remorse

After listening to the tapes , we can see how selfish and narcissistic Casey a person Casey seems. She doesn’t seem to have feelings for anyone but herself.

It is heart wrenching to see how much Casey’s parents really do love Casey and Caylee. Afer listening to the tapes it doesn’s seem that George knows anything about Caylee’s death at the beginning stages. I can’t imagine him acting this genuine and concerned if he knew Caylee drowned and if he had some involvement. He seems to be too desperate for answers. Both he and Cindy seem desperate to find Caylee. As they consitently speak to Casey in such loving terms, the hope that she will reveal a kernel of information as to where Caylee is located.

These tapes are the most revealing of all the information thus far as far as the drowning of Caylee and the alleged collusion of her father. At this point it seems that all he wants is answers. Casey’s cockiness and anger George’s deference to her does not seem like the communicaiton dynamic where Casey would protect her father in any way. As we see from her dialogue, the only person she would protect is herself .

As we see more and more of the evidence presented in such a systematic way, we learn that things aren’t looking too good for Casey. here seems to be less and less reasonable doubt that she caused Caylee’s demise.

http://drlillianglass.com/body-lang...es-anger-and-self-concern-in-jailhouse-tapes/

I have to agree about George not knowing at the beginning stages. I don't know what happened later, but I just can't believe that George could hold a dead drowned granddaughter and want to help hide her because "mom is going to kill you" AND THEN GO ON TO WORK THAT AFTERNOON like nothing happened

JMO but I think only someone like Casey (a pathological liar) has the capacity to overlook a dead daughter while playing house with Tony....

 

[beaucoup]

Oh OK, I must have just missed when they said it was all the way around her head then, thanks.

now see, I heard it specifically described at the tape did NOT go all the way around. Pieces that covered mouth, cheeks & stuck in hair on both sides. But NOT wrapped around the head.

Journalist even showed length of piece of tape & clarified it did not go all the way around.

so which is it?

 

[Conservative Hippie]

Oh, sorry. I googled imaged caylee anthony remains and there were several sources that showed the one photo. here is the one I clicked:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQm9iklH3KzFlav8ydvV_a2LAxeIbcpVIYhXmzKTh8YXSaw95Hg&t=1

Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing? I need the blue arrows....

BTW, a few times I have read where police took size 5 children's clothing from the Anthony's home. Size 5 is pretty big for a 2 1/2 year old. My daughter is 3 1/2 and wears 3T. This time last year she wore 24 month and 2T.

 

[beaucoup]

That picture doesn't look right at all. It looks like all the evidence freshly piled together. That's NOT the impression I got at all from today's testimony and from what blurred photos I did see.

It almost looks like someone recreated that photo.

The items are not flattened out enough or spread out enough to represent being in the woods & a flood & have animals going through them for months.

That photo just looks way wrong.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

now see, I heard it specifically described at the tape did NOT go all the way around. Pieces that covered mouth, cheeks & stuck in hair on both sides. But NOT wrapped around the head.

Journalist even showed length of piece of tape & clarified it did not go all the way around.

so which is it?

I always heard that it was ALL the way around, but I think it was Beth Karas who said that she had thought that too, but that it doesn't, in that it doesn't meet in the back, but that it did attach to her hair on both sides. How far to the back, I don't know. Watching testimony now.

 

[HLAuburn]

now see, I heard it specifically described at the tape did NOT go all the way around. Pieces that covered mouth, cheeks & stuck in hair on both sides. But NOT wrapped around the head.

Journalist even showed length of piece of tape & clarified it did not go all the way around.

so which is it?

During testimony today, I did hear someone say the tape was "circumferential". That's even worse than across her mouth. Why would someone do that?

Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing? I need the blue arrows....

BTW, a few times I have read where police took size 5 children's clothing from the Anthony's home. Size 5 is pretty big for a 2 1/2 year old.

I can't make anything out. I'm interested to see the non-blurred pictures. Are they on the internet anywhere?

I have a (big) 2 1/2 year old, and sz 5 is big. I think the clothes found with the remains were 2T and 3T. Maybe the 5's were hand me downs they were holding on to until she got bigger?

 

[joviroxx]

The pictures that they released to the media are blurred so Im not sure we will ever see them unblurred.

As far as the duct tape. I did not think it went all the way around but there was a HUGE amount of duct tape. Much more tape than I expected. It wasn't just a small piece on the mouth. From what I now understand, it was triple layers and lots of it.

 

[beaucoup]

OK, that photo linked above does NOT appear to be from todays testimony & is NOT even remains.

Its a pile of clothes & bags searches found in the woods in AUGUST 2008. I do remember that. Turned out to be not related to this case.

Read the blog post associated with that photo & it gives the date & info.

Its not a skull. Not hair.

I knew it didn't look right.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

now see, I heard it specifically described at the tape did NOT go all the way around. Pieces that covered mouth, cheeks & stuck in hair on both sides. But NOT wrapped around the head.

Journalist even showed length of piece of tape & clarified it did not go all the way around.

so which is it?

I think the tape was long enough to go completely around her head.

I just measured DD9 around her head where the duct tape would have gone and it was 15inches. (I won't have access to a 3yo till tomorrow )

Caylee had 3 pieces of duct tape. One was over 9inches---one was over 8inches and one was over 7inches.

As you can see from the above picture the mandible goes far back--in order for the tape to hold it in place the tape would have had to go beyond the ears. So while it may not have gone completely around her skull it came pretty close (without seeing the autopsy pics we can't know for sure and have to base it on reports)

 

[beaucoup]

I had first assumed Casey chloroformed Caylee, taped her mouth, and she accidentally died.

BUT, now I've got questions. It makes NO SENSE to put tape in your childs hair if you are planning on waking her up after you are done partying.



So, tape had to have come after death, but then WHY even bother with the tape unless she was trying to create an alibi.

 

[Aisling]

OK, that photo linked above does NOT appear to be from todays testimony & is NOT even remains.

Its a pile of clothes & bags searches found in the woods in AUGUST 2008. I do remember that. Turned out to be not related to this case.

Read the blog post associated with that photo & it gives the date & info.

Its not a skull. Not hair.

I knew it didn't look right.

Oh wow. Sorry for the wrong info. I just googled and saw that pic with the blue Disney bag (it looked like) and thought it was one of the ones they showed today. I even saw the black garbage bag in the photo.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

Oh wow. Sorry for the wrong info. I just googled and saw that pic with the blue Disney bag (it looked like) and thought it was one of the ones they showed today. I even saw the black garbage bag in the photo.

Yeah, I thought it was real too, then I started looking at the pixelated photos, and none of them look anything like that one, so I agree it's either completely unrelated or photoshopped. Honestly I am interested in seeing the original photos, but we probably never will.

Incidentally, I read a tidbit today on something completely unrelated that says your skull at birth is nearly full-sized.