Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[richmond282]

When it comes to Baez's opening statement, it was a seed. From that point, his focus has to be on fertilizing (he's got THAT down ) that seed so that the doubt of the prosecution's case grows. However, he doesn't have to prove his theory is fact. I think he's going to be successful in creating enough doubt that she will be found not guilty of the most serious charge, but not the rest.

I don't think he's created any doubt at all. Nothing in cross-examination seems to indicate that there was anybody else other than Casey involved in Caylee's disappearance/death. He has only proven that Casey is a LIAR. To me that shoots his theory out of the water just because an accidental drowning is what CASEY claims happened, but she's a LIAR so why believe that statement anyway.

I've been thinking about all this Xanex speculation. If Casey was drugging Caylee, where did the Xanex come from? No one (as far as I know) has ever found any Xanex in Casey's possession or come forward saying they supplied the Xanex or are missing any Xanex.

I think the name Zanny might have come from her friend Annie's name. A couple pages back someone linked an article about her. It said Annie used to live in Sawgrass Apartments and had friends and relatives with the same names as "Zanny's" relatives. I don't think Annie IS Zanny, but only the inspiration for the lies.

 

[sorcerormickey]

If Casey was drugging Caylee, where did the Xanex come from? No one (as far as I know) has ever found any Xanex in Casey's possession or come forward saying they supplied the Xanex or are missing any Xanex.

Drugs like that are easy enough to buy on the streets, especially with her circle of friends. And I would think, if Xanax was the issue, she would be smart enough to ditch any she had before the police were involved.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Drugs like that are easy enough to buy on the streets, especially with her circle of friends. And I would think, if Xanax was the issue, she would be smart enough to ditch any she had before the police were involved.

But, the drug test showed, no drugs in Caylee's system.

 

[plutotek]

I don't think he's created any doubt at all. Nothing in cross-examination seems to indicate that there was anybody else other than Casey involved in Caylee's disappearance/death. He has only proven that Casey is a LIAR. To me that shoots his theory out of the water just because an accidental drowning is what CASEY claims happened, but she's a LIAR so why believe that statement anyway.

Not disputing her pathology, but he has introduced an alternate theory. Unfortunately, since the state's case is largely circumstantial, he has the opportunity to paint a broad enough picture that she could avoid conviction of the most serious charge. That's "could", not will. If the prosecution continues to present it's case the way it has been, they could negate that, but we won't know for another month or so.

 

[Kurby]

But, the drug test showed no.. drugs in Caylee's system.

and no one has come forward to say they saw her take them, buy them or ever talk about using then

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Not disputing her pathology, but he has introduced an alternate theory. Unfortunately, since the state's case is largely circumstantial, he has the opportunity to paint a broad enough picture that she could avoid conviction of the most serious charge. That's "could", not will. If the prosecution continues to present it's case the way it has been, they could negate that, but we won't know for another month or so.

I agree. I hope not tho.

But, the drug test showed no.. drugs in Caylee's system.

In what system? I don't really know where it would show up after being dead for 6 months. Does it NOT showing up in her bones prove she never was drugged, or just that we don't know if she was?

and no one has come forward to say they saw her take them, buy them or ever talk about using then

Casey was a lying sneak. I doubt she'd give Caylee drugs in front of anyone, nor talk about doing it. And I don't think drug dealers would come forward and say they sold her drugs. She's also a thief. If there were drugs within this group of friends (and I'm guessing that's a possibility), Casey surely would have no problem stealing some. Her friends might not even know some of their drugs were missing, and if they did, might not connect it to her, or put it out to LE that they do drugs. I don't think, if Caylee was drugged, that it was to a large extent, or often...just to get her through those times when Caylee was bothersome to Casey's social life.

All speculation, of course.

 

[Kurby]

ya but all her "friends" i'm sure if one of them knew about her getting taking it would come forward and ask for ammunity to testify they gave it to her.

isn't it a club drug? pretty free flowing so maybe its easy to get.

i couldn't even tell you were to get pot let alone any of that.

oh wait it's not the one i'm thinking of.

anyways - they tested the hairs and there was no drug evidence - your hair holds your history and if she had been given it in the past (until she cut it) there would be a record in her hair

plus there would be some kind of physical evidence of it - heck i give my daughter benidrill when she's taken nuts without thinking and my mom can see it right away.

again all speculation at this point until the state rests

 

[Kurby]

Honestly I dint know how it's not killing the jury to talk about it

We're talking about it all the time

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

So much for accomplishing much today. I'm sitting here DISing, doing self-surgery (LOL...I have a big splinter and cannot get it out...I'm making myself feel faint) and checking for the release of the name of young person my children know who was killed in an accident. Because of FB, I know who it is, but I keep hoping it isn't. But then again, it would still be another young person in town; tragic, no matter what.

I need to go tear down some wallpaper. Not nearly as much of an emotional release as ripping out tile, but it's all I got.

Oh...I mentioned to DH that I'd like the treadmill moved to the living room, and he didn't balk...I'm shocked! In the last week, he's moved our two daughters...one from RI to Boston, and the other one who got married, from his apartment in RI and her apartment in CT to a condo (with 3 floors!) in CT. So I thought he'd be about moving anything! I guess he figured if I'm going to be watching the trial, I might as well work on gettin' skinny.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Personally, I think one of the boyfriends knows more that what he is saying. Ricardo (I think) posted pics of Chloroform on his Myspace. I think that is very telling. This was the boyfriend before Tony and Caylee would spend the night at his place. Is it possible that they got into the habit of using chloroform on Caylee whenever she was spending the night and they didn't want to be interrupted? He put it on Myspace as a joke?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

ya but all her "friends" i'm sure if one of them knew about her getting taking it would come forward and ask for ammunity to testify they gave it to her.

isn't it a club drug? pretty free flowing so maybe its easy to get.

i couldn't even tell you were to get pot let alone any of that.

oh wait it's not the one i'm thinking of.

anyways - they tested the hairs and there was no drug evidence - your hair holds your history and if she had been given it in the past (until she cut it) there would be a record in her hair

plus there would be some kind of physical evidence of it - heck i give my daughter benidrill when she's taken nuts without thinking and my mom can see it right away.

again all speculation at this point until the state rests

But I don't think anyone would know about the drugs. This is Casey Anthony...she's a sneaky lying thief. And I'm not sure if the hair holds the evidence for 6 months after death, and in water where she was buried. I'm curious about that. I guess we'll see as evidence comes out. Again...who knows, if she did give her drugs, how much, and really, when. Casey was a master at lying and covering up, and Cindy and George were in denial. Your mother probably knows when your DD has Benadryl, and perhaps knowing your DD's reaction to it, could tell even if you haven't told her every time. Someone who didn't know or suspect a child of having had drugs might not see it, nurse or not. I have 3 kids, and the way they handled things when they were little were very different...how easily they went to sleep, how much they slept, how they woke up, with how much energy...all different from each other.

My oldest DD has a bone disorder and was on Prednisone. I've heard horror stories about that drug. She never had ANY side effects that we could tell. We had to switch Rheumatologists in the middle of treatment, and this prominent published doctor we switched to said he was shocked she was on Prednisone because she didn't "look like" she was. I've seen people who were on Prednisone and bloated...she never was, no matter the dose (I think it was 80 mg for a few days at one time, but that was 10 years ago...could be wrong).

If they can't say that they know for a fact that Caylee was never drugged, and only that they can't tell, I'm going with the theory that she was, at some point, and that's where "Zanny the Nanny" comes from, originally. Perhaps she gave her Xanax when she was 1 1/2, maybe no more than once, knew it was referred to as Zanny the Nanny, and kept the name. I don't believe that every time she said that Caylee was with Zanny the Nanny that Caylee was actually drugged. But the name was already there and available for use. It's been said that there's some basis for the lies she tells...she gathers names, places, etc from somewhere, something she knows and can associate her lies with, and that's how she remembers them.

Honestly I dint know how it's not killing the jury to talk about it

We're talking about it all the time

I know!! It would drive me insane to be on that jury! All you hear about ALL day is related to the case, and then you're confined with all these strangers and can't talk about the one thing you all have in common. In the jury box, I would be so tempted to do what I do in the movie theater...turn to the person next to me and say "What'd he say??" LOL

OK...I must work on that wallpaper (splinter intact ). Not fun.

 

[sorcerormickey]

But, the drug test showed, no drugs in Caylee's system.

I didn't say that was what killed her, just commenting on the other poster's remarks.

 

[Wadecool]

But I don't think anyone would know about the drugs. This is Casey Anthony...she's a sneaky lying thief. And I'm not sure if the hair holds the evidence for 6 months after death, and in water where she was buried. I'm curious about that. I guess we'll see as evidence comes out. Again...who knows, if she did give her drugs, how much, and really, when. Casey was a master at lying and covering up, and Cindy and George were in denial. Your mother probably knows when your DD has Benadryl, and perhaps knowing your DD's reaction to it, could tell even if you haven't told her every time. Someone who didn't know or suspect a child of having had drugs might not see it, nurse or not. I have 3 kids, and the way they handled things when they were little were very different...how easily they went to sleep, how much they slept, how they woke up, with how much energy...all different from each other.

My oldest DD has a bone disorder and was on Prednisone. I've heard horror stories about that drug. She never had ANY side effects that we could tell. We had to switch Rheumatologists in the middle of treatment, and this prominent published doctor we switched to said he was shocked she was on Prednisone because she didn't "look like" she was. I've seen people who were on Prednisone and bloated...she never was, no matter the dose (I think it was 80 mg for a few days at one time, but that was 10 years ago...could be wrong).

If they can't say that they know for a fact that Caylee was never drugged, and only that they can't tell, I'm going with the theory that she was, at some point, and that's where "Zanny the Nanny" comes from, originally. Perhaps she gave her Xanax when she was 1 1/2, maybe no more than once, knew it was referred to as Zanny the Nanny, and kept the name. I don't believe that every time she said that Caylee was with Zanny the Nanny that Caylee was actually drugged. But the name was already there and available for use. It's been said that there's some basis for the lies she tells...she gathers names, places, etc from somewhere, something she knows and can associate her lies with, and that's how she remembers them. I know!! It would drive me insane to be on that jury! All you hear about ALL day is related to the case, and then you're confined with all these strangers and can't talk about the one thing you all have in common. In the jury box, I would be so tempted to do what I do in the movie theater...turn to the person next to me and say "What'd he say??" LOL

OK...I must work on that wallpaper (splinter intact ). Not fun.

The bolded part above, that called the Kaiser Soze syndrome and its from the movie "The Usual Suspects." Kevin Spacey basically uses little bits of true information to create an elaborate story to tell the police. Casey Anthony has apparently seen the movie a few times as well.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

The bolded part above, that called the Kaiser Soze syndrome and its from the movie "The Usual Suspects." Kevin Spacey basically uses little bits of true information to create an elaborate story to tell the police. Casey Anthony has apparently seen the movie a few times as well.

Didn't see it, but that must be the movie a commentator was talking about. Was it a good movie?

 

[Wadecool]

Didn't see it, but that must be the movie a commentator was talking about. Was it a good movie?

It's an excellent movie and if you were to watch it now, you'd probably chuckle out loud at how similar it is to what Casey has been doing all along.

 

[plutotek]

Didn't see it, but that must be the movie a commentator was talking about. Was it a good movie?

Very good, especially if you don't know the ending

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

It's an excellent movie and if you were to watch it now, you'd probably chuckle out loud at how similar it is to what Casey has been doing all along.

Very good, especially if you don't know the ending

Now I'm intrigued. I'll put it on my "to do" list.

 

[Dee77]

The bolded part above, that called the Kaiser Soze syndrome and its from the movie "The Usual Suspects." Kevin Spacey basically uses little bits of true information to create an elaborate story to tell the police. Casey Anthony has apparently seen the movie a few times as well.

Wow, now the movie makes so much more sense to me, see I didn't realize that Kaiser Soze was molested as a child. It now makes him a much more sympathetic character.

 

[pigletgirl]

Does anyone know when the real zenaida gonzalez is going to testify?

 

[Wadecool]

Wow, now the movie makes so much more sense to me, see I didn't realize that Kaiser Soze was molested as a child. It now makes him a much more sympathetic character.

How do we know Casey was molested as a child? Because she says so? Yeah, ok sure...