Carnival ship ...fire out..now adrift

[MagicMe]

Little scary but sounds like other than not moving much, everyone should be able to enjoy the ship. Does look like they'll be well compensated for the inconvenience. I do feel sorry for those that planned their vacation around the next two cruises that won't happen.

 

[Rogillio]

Interesting to read the reader comments on the yahoo news cite.

http://news.yahoo.com/carnival-cruise-ship-adrift-off-mexican-coast-fire-045550229--finance.html


I know the comments here are mostly fom experience cruisers but they are also 'moderated'. Kinda fun to read comments from a broader audience. You can see some Carnival stereotypes that Carnival just can't seem to shake.

 

[slg4crzn]

And your point is???.... so do you feel that Disney is immune to a mechanical break down???

And they will take you through a hurricane.

 

[tajz90]

I must say I'd rather be on a Disney ship, but all cruise lines are open to mechanical failure, fire and emergency situations.

 

[bobbiwoz]

We've been on 8 Carnival cruises, and the last one was a year ago. Until now, we've booked itinerary, not a particular cruise line. DH just made the comment that he does not see a Carnival Cruse in our future, and I think he is right.

 

[EPCOTatNight]

http://www.www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2999874 check the kcashner's pics on post #14

That says something about Disney if the incident is ten years old. Anything happen recently?

And they will take you through a hurricane.

Because the ships actually work.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Thank God everyone is ok and they are towing her to the closest port.

These probems wit Carnivial line and Carnivail Inc just seem to continue and continue, over and over.

Last week it was the Destiny with mechcanical issues. The Trumph had mechcanical problems leaving Galveston and now a fire.

IMHO and many of those in the Maritime insdustry, see a patten here and not a good one.

Seems we should be asking why Carnival can offer bargin basement cruises?

Bescuase they dont seem to be putting money into their vessels operation and maintiance. If you read the carnivail bogs, alot of the passingers are seeing their perks and services being reducing/illiminated.

I repeat, after years at sea, I will not permit my family and friends to sail Carnivail, now more then ever due to many MAJOR incidents and safety issues.

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

And your point is???.... so do you feel that Disney is immune to a mechanical break down???

The point is unlike Diseny and the other major lines, they don't keep having MAJOR fires, sinkings and mechanical breakdowns, over and voer and over again.

AKK

 

[ZoeBell]

Maybe it's time to require passports for cruise travel. While I think it's a good idea to have one while cruising. I can't blame folks for not having one when it isn't required.

 

[momto3gr8boys]

The latest is they are going to tow them to Progresso Mexico, but won't reach there until Wednesday. the next 2 cruises have been cancelled. Another Carnival ship is there giving them food and supplies. They have an emergency number set up for family members. I wonder how they are going to handle the passengers without passports. They are refunding their cruise fare and I can't remember what other compensation they are giving them.

Yes, just another reason to have a passport - I couldn't imagine having to deal with all this and then needing to expedite passports for the family. When my friend was on either NCL or RCCL (I can't remember now) they caught on fire and gave them a free cruise, which they did take the following year. When my DW was on the NCL Dawn and they hit a rogue wave, they were towed into a port in SC, I think, and they gave everyone free drinks lol.

This is one of the reasons that I don't cruise on Carnival. And that's with 2 ships each week leaving from less than a mile away from my house. They pass so close by that I can watch them from my living room, yet I have no desire to book one. P.S. I seriously doubt those traveling without passports will have any additional issues. Carnival has 2 days to coordinate with Progresso to get everyone situated with their travel home. You'd probably have more issues if you were the only one disembarking, but not so much with a couple thousand other people. Extenuating circumstances and the sheer number of people will promote a heightened level of sensitivity to those traveling without a passport. They'll be fine.

I would assume there will be some issues with getting a passport, even if it just waiting and filling out paperwork and fees. The US gov't isn't going to just say, ok, here's few hundred passports for free with no stress involved. And fires break out on all cruise lines. You will always get someone smuggling on candles or an iron. I know this one was in the engine room, but accidents can and will happen on all cruise lines, same as airlines - to assume one is immune to any problems is to be unprepared. Google cruise ship fires...you will be amazed at how many "small fires" never even make the news.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

http://www.www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2999874 check the kcashner's pics on post #14

Your comparing the Magics, minor top of the stack insilation smoke/melt down, to be the same as the many MAJOR fires Carnivail Inc vessels have had?

You may as well add the minor fireworks spark/fire, and its being generous to call it a fire, in Palos as well!

please........

AKK

 

[ZoeBell]

I repeat, after years at sea, I will not permit my family and friends to sail Carnivail, now more then ever due to many MAJOR incidents and safety issues.

AKK

How can YOU not permit your friends from traveling with Carnival? Do they ask your permission before booking?

 

[Rogillio]

And your point is???.... so do you feel that Disney is immune to a mechanical break down???

Certainly any cruise ship can breakdown. But I have always been impressed with Disney's focus on maintenance. This actually goes back to Walt Disney himself with the "paint Main Street every night" ideal. He wanted guest who came to Disneland to see a well maintained, like-new apprearance. I can't really vouch that this philosophy has spilled over into the engine room but don't know that it hasn't.

I don't know who keeps records of major incidents on cruise ships but I'm sure someone does. Just like some airlines are more prone to delays due to airplan issues that track back to maintenance, I think some cruise lines might be more prone to breaddown.

I think too Carnical is has many more ships than DCL so the chances for failure is greater. The flip side of that is, DCL only has 4 ships to maintain and that is easier than maintaining a large fleet of ships.

 

[cwdefouw]

Regardless of the fact that Carnival seems to be having a lot of headline making problems over the past several years. This sort of incident can happen on any ship, of any age, from any cruise line, at any time. As PP mentioned, because of the much larger fleet, statistically it is more likely to happen on Carnival than Disney, but that doesn't mean it can't or won't happen just because it is "Disney"

 

[EPCOTatNight]

Yes, just another reason to have a passport - I couldn't imagine having to deal with all this and then needing to expedite passports for the family. When my friend was on either NCL or RCCL (I can't remember now) they caught on fire and gave them a free cruise, which they did take the following year. When my DW was on the NCL Dawn and they hit a rogue wave, they were towed into a port in SC, I think, and they gave everyone free drinks lol.



I would assume there will be some issues with getting a passport, even if it just waiting and filling out paperwork and fees. The US gov't isn't going to just say, ok, here's few hundred passports for free with no stress involved. And fires break out on all cruise lines. You will always get someone smuggling on candles or an iron. I know this one was in the engine room, but accidents can and will happen on all cruise lines, same as airlines - to assume one is immune to any problems is to be unprepared. Google cruise ship fires...you will be amazed at how many "small fires" never even make the news.

A small cruise ship fire isn't the issue. It's being stranded as a result of the fire that concerns people. And Carnival has had this happen twice in the last 3 years amongst other things. There are diehard Carnival fans that have had enough and won't return because of incidents like these, the large number of overboard passengers and crew, and just overall decline in ship upkeep.

 

[momto3gr8boys]

A small cruise ship fire isn't the issue. It's being stranded as a result of the fire that concerns people. And Carnival has had this happen twice in the last 3 years amongst other things. There are diehard Carnival fans that have had enough and won't return because of incidents like these, the large number of overboard passengers and crew, and just overall decline in ship upkeep.

Yes, you are correct in that it's an apples and oranges comparison. Personally, I have cruised DCL, Princess and RCCL, and have always purposefully avoided Carnival because of the reputation. But my point was more that people tend to blindly go with a company like Disney assuming nothing bad can ever happen, and therefore don't need to be prepared with passports and trip insurance, etc. when in reality, bad things can happen anytime, anywhere.

 

[nunzia]

Maybe it's time to require passports for cruise travel. While I think it's a good idea to have one while cruising. I can't blame folks for not having one when it isn't required.

I'm confused..I thought it was required if you were planning to visit a foriegn port?

 

[manhattanman]

They're $135. And why do you care if someone has a passport or not? How does it affect you? Are people dying because they don't have passports? Lives ruined? Less than 0.01 percent of all travelers will be affected in any way because of lack of a passport. If we're dealing with "ifs", then why cruise at all? What if the ship sinks? More people have been on a sinking ship than stranded due to passport issues. That would seem like a bigger concern. I don't understand why all these people care so much or why their "concern" comes with so much judgement.

If you travel outside of the shores of the US without a passport and ( even if it is not your fault) get in a pickle, it makes no difference to me. But to say that because you'll could does not mean you should. Traveling with passports provides something that a drivers license and BC does not, if you think its an unnecessary hassle or expense, that's up to you. Its not judge mental to say that trying to get back into the country, even if the likelihood is rare, is going to be a hassle, its a fact. People do things all the time that I would not, that's their choice. As long as they are willing to deal with the consequences ( however remote) and not ask, or demand that the consequences ought to be mitigated by someone else, then its on them.

 

[EPCOTatNight]

Regardless of the fact that Carnival seems to be having a lot of headline making problems over the past several years. This sort of incident can happen on any ship, of any age, from any cruise line, at any time. As PP mentioned, because of the much larger fleet, statistically it is more likely to happen on Carnival than Disney, but that doesn't mean it can't or won't happen just because it is "Disney"

Aything "CAN" happen, but whats the probability? More people visit Disney theme parks than any other in the world, yet they have an impeccable safety record despite being "larger". Why? Because they atually care. So, being "Disney" actually does mean something. Put Disney aside for a moment. How often does it happen on RCI? Norweigian, etc...? You're on a Disney site, so people are biased. But it's not just Disney fans that feel this way. As a PP suggested, read the comments on a news story.

 

[EPCOTatNight]

If you travel outside of the shores of the US without a passport and ( even if it is not your fault) get in a pickle, it makes no difference to me. But to say that because you'll could does not mean you should. Traveling with passports provides something that a drivers license and BC does not, if you think its an unnecessary hassle or expense, that's up to you. Its not judge mental to say that trying to get back into the country, even if the likelihood is rare, is going to be a hassle, its a fact. People do things all the time that I would not, that's their choice. As long as they are willing to deal with the consequences ( however remote) and not ask, or demand that the consequences ought to be mitigated by someone else, then its on them.

Did someone say anything about people "demanding" that consequences be mitigated? Calling something a hassle is an opinion, not a fact. For some people, shopping for groceries is a hassle; not for me though. Condemning someone for making a decision different from yours is judgemental and that happens around here a lot.