Carnival ship ...fire out..now adrift

[cgolf]

From a very personal experience, I have discovered that somehow, Disney is REALLY good at keeping things quiet. Actually, there are TWO experiences on two different Disney cruises that I can think of...my own personal experience. There have been some incidents reported here on the DIS that never made the newspapers, too.

There was something on our Fantasy cruise this year that did not make the website. We got into port late and got off the ship late, and from what we observed, many on the ship did not know why. Not sure in this case if that is good or bad, I can see both sides. I will say that from what we personally observed, Disney appeared to handle the situation very well.

cgolf

 

[fatfish]

BTW, for anyone interested, while I don't think this is fun for anyone aboard, it's thankfully not as bad as the Splendor incident was, they've got electricity, fresh water, sewage system restored quickly in half the ship and they were/are working on the other half.

According to the local news here in Houston, passengers are reporting that except for a few areas of the ship, they do not have power or water, and they are being asked to stay in the common areas of the ship. And working toilets have only been restored to one area of the ship. this is not a pleasant situation.

 

[TXDCLfan]

Certainly any cruise ship can breakdown. But I have always been impressed with Disney's focus on maintenance. This actually goes back to Walt Disney himself with the "paint Main Street every night" ideal. He wanted guest who came to Disneland to see a well maintained, like-new apprearance. I can't really vouch that this philosophy has spilled over into the engine room but don't know that it hasn't.

I don't know who keeps records of major incidents on cruise ships but I'm sure someone does. Just like some airlines are more prone to delays due to airplan issues that track back to maintenance, I think some cruise lines might be more prone to breaddown.

I think too Carnical is has many more ships than DCL so the chances for failure is greater. The flip side of that is, DCL only has 4 ships to maintain and that is easier than maintaining a large fleet of ships.

exactly

 

[justmestace]

Haaa.Stacy.......All vessel have to report incidents.....(like anything but very minor fires ei gallet grease fire). Now it may not be given to the mdia, but all USCG reports are made public.

I know the USCG is a part political group...but you don't mess with them.........they can shut your whole fleet deep with a phone call.....

AKK

Then that was MY mistake....I should have called the Coast Guard.
Lord knows, I tried everything else I could think of. Disney is just too powerful.

It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/11/second-family-accuses-disneyland-character-racism/

 

[TifffanyD]

Then that was MY mistake....I should have called the Coast Guard.
Lord knows, I tried everything else I could think of. Disney is just too powerful.

It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/11/second-family-accuses-disneyland-character-racism/

So what happened on your cruise? You can PM me if you don't want to post here...

 

[EPCOTatNight]

Then that was MY mistake....I should have called the Coast Guard.
Lord knows, I tried everything else I could think of. Disney is just too powerful.

It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/11/second-family-accuses-disneyland-character-racism/

For the record, I am a black man that takes racism very seriously. But, this is too funny. The "Black" family and now, the "White" family is accusing the white rabbit of racism. For those that don't know, both families are African American. Their last names are Black and White.

 

[TifffanyD]

For the record, I am a black man that takes racism very seriously. But, this is too funny. The "Black" family and now, the "White" family is accusing the white rabbit of racism. For those that don't know, both families are African American. Their last names are Black and White.

The black family named White confused me. Too bad the Black family wasn't white... that would just complete the strange story. Are those fake names?

Oh and one was the white rabbit but the other is Donald, I think?

 

[Jareds_mommy]

didn't the magic have a fire a few years back?
and doesn't carnival own lots of other cruise lines?
AIDA Cruises, Germany
Carnival Cruise Lines, United States
Costa Cruises, Italy
Cunard Line, United Kingdom
Holland America Line, United States
Ibero Cruises, Spain
P&O Cruises, United Kingdom
P&O Cruises Australia, Australia
Princess Cruises, United States
Seabourn Cruise Line, United States

 

[Rogillio]

Then that was MY mistake....I should have called the Coast Guard.
Lord knows, I tried everything else I could think of. Disney is just too powerful.

It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/11/second-family-accuses-disneyland-character-racism/

Disney is a $57 billion dollar company and there are a lot of people who would love to get rich by suing Disney. The story broke last week with the Black family suing Disney becuase their children did not get hugged by the White Rabbit. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

I don't see the point in posting it here in this thread unless you are just trying to throw rocks at Disney in hopes of mitigating the Carnival Cruise line embarrassment of having yet another fire and another cruise ship set adrift.

 

[justmestace]

Personally, I think this is AMAZING compensation. TWO cruises paid for in full, and onboard expenses paid, as well as travel expenses.
There is more in this report that I didn't copy, but it does say that SOME of the cabins do have water, facilities, etc...and that everyone is being fed. So, yes, while some people still have to use the public area facilities, some don't. Not ideal, but it could be worse.



Upcoming Voyages and Compensation

All guests on the current Carnival Triumph voyage will receive a full refund of the cruise, along with transportation expenses. In addition, they will receive a future cruise credit equal to the amount paid for this voyage, as well as reimbursement of all shipboard purchases during the voyage, with the exception of gift shop and casino charges.

 

[justmestace]

Disney is a $57 billion dollar company and there are a lot of people who would love to get rich by suing Disney. The story broke last week with the Black family suing Disney becuase their children did not get hugged by the White Rabbit. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

I don't see the point in posting it here in this thread unless you are just trying to throw rocks at Disney in hopes of mitigating the Carnival Cruise line embarrassment of having yet another fire and another cruise ship set adrift.

All I can say is GOOD LUCK trying to sue Disney. You'd have to be a millionaire yourself to get to court with them. Some people have been lucky enough to garner a little publicity, forcing Disney to settle out of court.

I posted the link, not to throw stones, but to prove that they DO have incidents. They aren't perfect. As for the cruise line, they've also had some issues with molestation.....yet people think it's safe to let their kids run amok while onboard, because it's "Disney".

 

[justmestace]

So what happened on your cruise? You can PM me if you don't want to post here...

Sent a PM.

 

[ZoeBell]

Here's another one.....VOLUME. When you have more options for people to choose from, you don't have to charge top dollar.
And I'm sure the casinos help make up a bit of money, too.

I've seen how many people flock to Bingo on the Disney ships.....you can't tell me that if DCL added casinos, they wouldn't be packed, too. Yes, a lot of people don't think that a casino is in keeping with the "family/Disney" feeling, and a lot of people complain about the cigarette smoke.....but I still can darn near GUARANTEE you that the ships would be making money hand over fist if they added them.
BUT......I can almost darn near guarantee you that Disney WOULD NOT lower their prices, even if they were pulling in a ton more money.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again....DISNEY CHARGES MORE BECAUSE THEY CAN. They have a corner on the market thanks to Mickey Mouse and all that jazz.....something no one else has, and never will. They are a COMPANY who is in the business of making money. They aren't here just so they can make little kids dreams come true....anyone who believes that needs to quit drinking the KoolAid. And as long as they keep getting people who believe that Disney is perfect and are willing to pay the big bucks, they'll always charge more.

Just because something costs more, doesn't mean it's BETTER.

As a 4th time cruiser and just recently off my 1st Disney cruise I'm going to have to agree. I was just as satisfied coming off of Disney as I was off Carnival and RCCL. I didn't see pixie dust on The Disney cruise. I seen happy vacationing people. Just like I did on Carnival and RCCL.

To each their own I guess.

 

[tiggspring]

The point is unlike Diseny and the other major lines, they don't keep having MAJOR fires, sinkings and mechanical breakdowns, over and voer and over again.

AKK

I would never sail Carnival beacuse the worst recent disasters have been with them and the lines owned by the parent company. Over and Over again. Every ship and company can have a malfunction or a bad Captain but when there is a pattern then its the way the copmpany is managed from the top. Think those passengers feel like they got a bargan now? DCL for us now and RCL sometime in the future but NEVER Carnival!

 

[manhattanman]

Did someone say anything about people "demanding" that consequences be mitigated? Calling something a hassle is an opinion, not a fact. For some people, shopping for groceries is a hassle; not for me though. Condemning someone for making a decision different from yours is judgemental and that happens around here a lot.

There is no condemnation at all. Getting back into the united states from a third conuntry ( even on a closed loop cruise) is going to be a whole lot harder sans a passport. That's it. That's all I'm saying.

If you think that the likelihood of you ever needing a passport is so small that it outweighs the cost, you get to make that decision. If things go south, then if you are willing to live with it I have zero beefs.

You are not required to have a passport to cruise. Some people would say you do not have to have travel insurance, thats a perfectly reasonable argument, other people would never travel without it. Are they being overly-cautious or responsible ? I dont know. it seems to me that people who whose to travel without a passport do so not because it affords them something other than a BC but because of the frequency of said situation means that it is unlikely they will need the difference. for me, knowing it is irelevant whether my closed loop cruise stays closed or becomes open ended its worth it to have a passport.

 

[slg4crzn]

The passengers are being flown back with chartered aircraft. They are receiving a full refund of cruise cost plus the transportation expenses, their shipboard expenses excluding alcohol and shop purchases AND a future cruise voucher of equal value that they paid for the current. That's pretty good I think.

 

[Rogillio]

All I can say is GOOD LUCK trying to sue Disney. You'd have to be a millionaire yourself to get to court with them. Some people have been lucky enough to garner a little publicity, forcing Disney to settle out of court.

I posted the link, not to throw stones, but to prove that they DO have incidents. They aren't perfect. As for the cruise line, they've also had some issues with molestation.....yet people think it's safe to let their kids run amok while onboard, because it's "Disney".

A lawsuit of an alleged incident does not "prove" anything other than corporations are often the target of frivolous lawsuits.

The issue with moestation also has nothing to due with mechanical failure and fires. But I suppose once you throw something out there, even without backing it up with evidence, you continue to tear Disney down trying to level the field wrt to DCL.

The next time a Disney ship is set adrift in the Carribean with no propulsion....oh wait, they have never been set adrift. The first time Disney is set adrift, then you will have a valid comparrision....but let's leave the frivolous lawsuits and molestation inuendo out of it.

 

[Rogillio]

....anyone who believes that needs to quit drinking the KoolAid. And as long as they keep getting people who believe that Disney is perfect and are willing to pay the big bucks, they'll always charge more.

Just because something costs more, doesn't mean it's BETTER.

And just becuase people are willing to pay for for Disney does not mean they are drinking KoolAid. Some of us actually have had better cruise experiences on Disney than other cruiselines. And some of us actually think they ARE better.

I'd say let each person decide for themself if they are willing to pay more for DCL and not make the derisive comments about KoolAid becuase you don't put value in the same things other do. If you find great value in Carnival, then cuise with them and go to the Carnival fan internet forum and talk about how great and wonderful Carnival is.

Many (if not most) of the people here have a cruise booked and/or paid for already. No one likes to read about how they are just wasting money cause DCL is just over-priced becuase idiots like them are willing to pay for pixie dust.

 

[ilovetexas]

Then I pose the question............where do they make up for the loss revenue??..........Do they intensional put there passinger at risk....NO!, but they must be cutting corners somewhere and cutting corner can (not always) create safety issues.


AKK

You are assuming there is a "loss of revenue". Look, I'm not going to debate Carnival safety issues but you and Rogillio need to quit it with the economics/finance assumptions. Selling cabins inexpensively to drive up demand does not necessarily mean they have to cut corners elsewhere to make up for it. You are BOTH forgetting that Carnival experiences economies of scale / increasing returns to scale. It's a simple micro economic concept where the long-run average total cost declines as output increases.

 

[Rogillio]

You are assuming there is a "loss of revenue". Look, I'm not going to debate Carnival safety issues but you and Rogillio need to quit it with the economics/finance assumptions. Selling cabins inexpensively to drive up demand does not necessarily mean they have to cut corners elsewhere to make up for it. You are BOTH forgetting that Carnival experiences economies of scale / increasing returns to scale. It's a simple micro economic concept where the long-run average total cost declines as output increases.

Relax. It's just a discussion. There are no right or wrong opinions and no one's opinion is any more or less valuable than anyone else's. Unless you are accountant for Carnival, I doubt you know what their balance sheets look like and how much they spend on maitenance relative to DCL or RCL....and neither do we. No one is trying to cite facts here....just opinions.