Canon 50D

[boBQuincy]

The full frame lust, as you call it, has a lot to do with the lens quality issue that you mentioned. A full frame camera doesn't require near the same resolving power in a lens. It's not just resolution that matters as well. With an APS-C camera, you are magnifying all lens defects that much more.

There are a lot of tradeoffs, although 1.6x requires more out of a lens it also avoids the lesser corner performance. Many MTF curves show a pronounced dropoff past the edges of an APS-C sensor.

One issue is that probably 99% of printers only go to 8.5 x 11", 99% of photographers do not need more resolution (from the lens or the sensor) than we already have. I would like to see mass adoption of FF to help bring the price down but I really can't see it happening.

 

[couldbeme]

Doesn't it figure!!!
I just received my 40D yesterday!

UNREAL!

 

[jann1033]

I saw that it will be released in October. Anyone see anything about the price?

And why would the new camera be slower? 6.3 fps vs 6.5 fps for the 40d.

i saw one at 1299, another at 1400 body only prices ( i think both on dp review, they had 2 reviews one more detailed)

 

[jann1033]

I am really interested in how it will be as far as noise? I have been coveting a full frame sensor for that reason.

Does anyone have any information to enlighten me? Am I totally wrong in thinking that the full frame gives less noise in low light situations?

I am looking to upgrade within a year - but not sure if I want to go with the new 50D or hold out for a 5D upgrade.

I had also heard something about Canon coming out with a 3D and or 6D - one of which was supposed to be inbetween the 5D and Mark. Not sure how true any of it is - just something I read on a site - can't even remember which one it was.

the claim was the noise is less than on the 40d even with the higher isos( they compared it favorably to the nikon, not sure about the 12800 but not really sure how often that would be used at least by me)...i was all set not to want it then went and read a more detailed review,,,so now they got me again...the lcd being basically a monitor is kind o nice and a couple other things that escape me now...however with the "creative" slider type deal so you can be totally ignorant of dof and exposure, auto no blown highlights, face focus etc, you really could probably take a decent photo if you were a monkey so that kills any excuses for lousy shots which could be a downside for me... really it seems they shot themselves in the foot with the xsi since that was pretty close to the 40d and now basically upgraded the 40d but i read they consider them "sisters" and are still going to sell both. so if they end up with a mid 5d/mark, whoo boy they are getting confusing. for some reason it struck me as a camera for people who have $$ to spend but don't know anything about how to use a camera so they stuck some goof proof stuff on there to gather those types in (who probably would otherwise buy a point and shoot) but still have enough good stuff for someone who actually wants to learn or knows how to use the camera...i think it is starting to bug me with the trend toward making the camera "the brain" and letting the person holding it be "the idiot".( crab crab crab)

 

[Todd_H]

Doesn't it figure!!!
I just received my 40D yesterday!

UNREAL!

Ditto that... just got mine in May.

 

[Groucho]

The full frame lust, as you call it, has a lot to do with the lens quality issue that you mentioned. A full frame camera doesn't require near the same resolving power in a lens. It's not just resolution that matters as well. With an APS-C camera, you are magnifying all lens defects that much more.

Bob already said the response that I had ready to go for you. You may gain resolving power but lose in the corners. Really nice lenses should be able to outresolve a high-mp APS sensor and have sharp edges on FF so neither one is a concern.

 

[MarkBarbieri]

First, if you compare an FX lens on a FF body and a DX lens on a APS-C body, you lose somewhat equally in the corners of both. It is when you use an FX lens on a DX body that you gain benefits by cropping away the weaker parts of the lens. Of course, you could use the FF body and just crop down to the APS-C image circle when you only want the center of the image.

Now matter how you slice it, bigger sensors (all other things equal) provide better image quality. It's all trade-offs. Bigger sensors cost more and require larger and more expensive lenses. The marketplace currently has three primary sensor sizes for SLRs - 4/3 on the small end, APS-C in the middle, and FF on the large size. Everyone picks their trade-off in IQ, cost, and weight. I can see a future in which I want all three - a FF for most shooting, an APS-C when I want cheaper reach and/or a smaller setup, and the new mirrorless 4/3 system when I want very small size.

 

[Groucho]

I don't know if I can agree that FF automatically equals better image quality. No offense to the 5D, but it's long enough in the tooth that I suspect some of today's finer APS-sized sensors can match or beat it for overall IQ. Especially if you count ones like the Fuji DSLRs which have unmatched DR.

Everything else being equal, though, certainly FF has advantages. You don't have to go as wide so you'll probably see less CAs in wide-angle lenses is one that hasn't been mentioned. Another one, which is huge for me as a manual focus fan, is a larger, brighter viewfinder. That is the main thing that would make me considering going FF.

 

[PhotobearSam]

What are your thoughts?


I was looking at the 40D but now I am not sure...

the ISO and 15 MP are tempting...

 

[Code]

Impossible to compare until it actually comes out...

 

[jann1033]

i did just see a 150 rebate for the 40d with 70-300 lens( canon email) but that isn't really all that much imo personally i will wait at least till the 50d comes out and i see reviews then decide. to me the most important is the sharpness so if the 50 is as sharp/ less or the same noise i probably will wait till it goes down a little. if not the 49d will probably be cheaper by then anyway

 

[Michele]

I am in desperate need of a new camera and seriously considering the 40D. When is the 50D due out? and do you think 40D discount will happen soon or take a while?

 

[Anewman]

What are your thoughts?

I think I am getting two of them.

Just waiting to see if the 15mp on APS-C sensor yields acceptable IQ and Noise.

 

[MarkBarbieri]

The 50D looks nice on paper but I haven't seen reviews from anyone that has used one yet. It's not supposed to ship until October. Unless you are desperate to buy now, I'd hold off and see how it actually performs. Once you get real reviews, choosing between that and the 40D will be easier.

Personally, I'm waiting to see the much rumored and now heavily leaked 5D replacement. If it is anything like what is being leaked, I'm probably going to buy one. My big debate is whether I should also get an APS-C camera to go with it.

 

[handicap18]

I think I am getting two of them.

Just waiting to see if the 15mp on APS-C sensor yields acceptable IQ and Noise.

This is a big question. 15MP on an APS-C sensor. Thats ALOT. Especially on the Canon going from 10MP to 15MP.

I think one reason Nikon stayed at 12MP (as with the D300, but only went up 2MP over the D80) and went with a video option on their new D90 is because of the extra 3MP maybe being to much. Time will tell though. It will be interesting to see how the high ISO's are handled. Canon is pretty good with their sensors.

Its also interesting that each of the last 3 years they will have released a new camera in the same line: 30D, 40D and now the 50D. Not a lot of time in between models to have made significant changes.

 

[PhotobearSam]

I am thinking either the 50D or the 40D but I definitely want the EF-S 18-200mm 3.5-5.6 IS Lens as a walk around lens....It would take the burden off weight wise when I go to France next year.


I can't wait for the reviews.

 

[Anewman]

I am thinking either the 50D or the 40D but I definitely want the EF-S 18-200mm 3.5-5.6 IS Lens as a walk around lens....It would take the burden off weight wise when I go to France next year.


I can't wait for the reviews.

I would really wait to see some reviews(as you stated you will), because I would be curious to see if it has reached a point where it starts out resolving some lenses. Mega zooms might be the first to show such an effect, and EF-s may exaggerate this.

 

[boBQuincy]

The Rebel Xsi has been reported as showing the flaws in some lenses already, the 50D will only move this trend upscale. It is interesting that the 18-200 lens Canon introduced at the same time as the 50D is one that is most likely to show these flaws.

Anyway, from Canon's digital sensor history it is likely that the new sensor is at least as noise free as it's predecessor, partly from improved manufacturing and partly from the new Digic 4 processor. It is almost a must-have for those of us who do not plan to go full frame. Also, the tweaking for individual lenses means the end of front/back focus issues.

 

[gruZ]

There are sample images HERE.

Click the fruit one if you want to see ISO 6400.

 

[PhotobearSam]

The fruit looked pretty good at 6400....