Can you hold a 2+ toddler on a plane?

The easiest way is scheduling. Choose a flight that takes off near your child's nap or bedtime. Reinforce this by making sure their sleep schedule is *very* regular for the couple weeks ahead of time.

Benadryl works on *most* children, but you need to be careful to test it ahead of time. A small percentage are amped up rather than sedated by the meds and that's not at all what you want! :)

It's not about making them sleep when they're not tired, it's all about making them tired at the right moment. :)

I guess we will have to disagree here. I would never sedate my kids just so they are quiet. We do however plan our flights for what we consider good times of day though.
 
DW and I are heading on a flight Monday with our dd3 and dd2. We have tickets for both of them, but know that they may feel restless and wish to be held while we are taking off and/or landing. Does anyone know if you can hold a child over 2 when the 'seatbelt light' is on? TIA.

"Can you"? Sure. Is it "legal", nope. Sorry!

Here's the FAA site which recommends children under 40lbs be in car seats or a CARES harness up to 44lbs for take off and landing and during turbulence. Only children under the age of two are officially allowed to be a "babe in arms" so if you are holding one of your children when the seatbelt light is on, the FA's *may* request you belt them in and they would just be doing their job.

hth and hope your flights are smooth and uneventful!
 
I guess we will have to disagree here. I would never sedate my kids just so they are quiet. We do however plan our flights for what we consider good times of day though.


I've never sedated my own and will confess that the reason I know it is okay is because I was indignantly telling my pediatrician about it... and he told me it is a medically condoned and often encouraged practice. He says that the stress of getting all worked up about flying is far worse for a kid physically and emotionally than the dose of Benadryl.
It's not just about keeping them quiet and out of other people's hair. The sort of screaming fit that people often indulge from their children is not particularly healthy for the kid.
 
You don't 'allow' children to tantrum, they just do and if you can't prevent it (and no matter how hard you try, this sometimes is impossible) then you do your best to top it, which usually involves ignoring them.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Seriously? You really and truly believe you cannot control your child's behavior? And y'all think that's normal? And when they do this you just let them?


No wonder they keep doing it.
 

Parents should be aware that there was an FDA Health Advisory about Cold and Allergy medications for children under the age of six. You can read about it here
http://www.fda.gov/Cder/drug/advisory/cough_cold_2008.htm
http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/pharmacology/a/byb_cold_meds.htm

from the FDA site above
Pending completion of FDA’s ongoing review, if parents and caregivers use OTC cough and cold medicines in children 2 years of age and older, FDA recommends:
Not using these products to sedate your child or make children sleepy.

Not a judgment on anyone, just FYI...:goodvibes
 
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Seriously? You really and truly believe you cannot control your child's behavior? And y'all think that's normal? And when they do this you just let them?


No wonder they keep doing it.

You lead me to believe that your children have never ever had a tantrum because you stop it from getting to this point. You should right a book because clearly you can do what every other parent I know cannot. I agree some tantrums can be cut off at the pass. Others just come from no where, (for example I picked up my 2 year old child today and he clearly didn't want to be picked up and moved and he screamed, we sorted that out but who would have know a simple task would have had that response, well YOU probably would have but me just a humble first time, clearly useless parent of a 2 year old wasn't quite prepared for it.)

Also my GP and the Flight attendants on a recent flight said that should a child have sore ears and be in pain, just to let them scream as this will eventually clear the ear more quickly than sucking, swallowing etc.

Kirsten
 
You lead me to believe that your children have never ever had a tantrum because you stop it from getting to this point. You should right a book because clearly you can do what every other parent I know cannot. I agree some tantrums can be cut off at the pass. Others just come from no where, (for example I picked up my 2 year old child today and he clearly didn't want to be picked up and moved and he screamed, we sorted that out but who would have know a simple task would have had that response, well YOU probably would have but me just a humble first time, clearly useless parent of a 2 year old wasn't quite prepared for it.)

Also my GP and the Flight attendants on a recent flight said that should a child have sore ears and be in pain, just to let them scream as this will eventually clear the ear more quickly than sucking, swallowing etc.

Kirsten


I could *write* a book but it wouldn't be helpful. The issue is not what I CAn do that other's can't, it is what I WILL do. It is 100% possible to raise a child who does not throw tantrums. You simply have to be willing to be consistent, firm and prepared to put your own personal desires second to the task of raising a kid who isn't a pain for those around you. This is not something most people are willing to do.

Anyone who tells you to "just let them scream" in a public place ought to be horsewhipped. No wonder there are so many places that nicely behaved children are no longer welcome.
 
I could *write* a book but it wouldn't be helpful. The issue is not what I CAn do that other's can't, it is what I WILL do. It is 100% possible to raise a child who does not throw tantrums. You simply have to be willing to be consistent, firm and prepared to put your own personal desires second to the task of raising a kid who isn't a pain for those around you. This is not something most people are willing to do.

Anyone who tells you to "just let them scream" in a public place ought to be horsewhipped. No wonder there are so many places that nicely behaved children are no longer welcome.

And we all know EVERY child is exactly the same right?

:rotfl:
 
And we all know EVERY child is exactly the same right?

:rotfl:


So... some children are too horrible to behave themselves in public even if praented properly? I don't believe in selling them short like that.
 
I could *write* a book but it wouldn't be helpful. The issue is not what I CAn do that other's can't, it is what I WILL do. It is 100% possible to raise a child who does not throw tantrums. You simply have to be willing to be consistent, firm and prepared to put your own personal desires second to the task of raising a kid who isn't a pain for those around you. This is not something most people are willing to do.

Anyone who tells you to "just let them scream" in a public place ought to be horsewhipped. No wonder there are so many places that nicely behaved children are no longer welcome.

Oh no - not one of those who thinks their child never misbehaves. These are the worst! They are usually the ones who are the worst behaved - just in secret, behind mom/dad's back or when they're not around.

In the real world where most of us live - even well parented kids act up (otherwise we wouldn't get the chance to need to parent to teach the proper way) - even though they are usually well behaved. Just like most adults I know are usually well behaved but can often have bad days or something happen where they snap at you or show other behavior they wouldn't 'normally' exhibit.

This all came about from a child, who wasn't supposed to be sitting in her own seat, so the parent (me) obviously wasn't prepared for it. Like I said in my OP, if I had known it was going to happen I would have had options available to keep her distracted and better behaved - but I didn't. Even if I was prepared for the very determined FA, she was very young and maybe wouldn't have responded to my best intentions anyway. So, it happens - just like it happens with ALL children (the well parented and the not-so-well parented) at some times. But you can go on thinking that your kids are excluded from this...I believe otherwise.
 
I think we all do the best we can with our kids, and we're all the best parents we can be. :hippie: :hippie: :hippie:
 
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Seriously? You really and truly believe you cannot control your child's behavior? And y'all think that's normal? And when they do this you just let them?


No wonder they keep doing it.

Actually, my children have both only had one tantrum in their lives, one. That is because I completely ignored them and walked away the first time they tried it. I haven't had the problem since. Some parents cannot ignore a tantrum so they don't stop like that straight away, but that doesn't make me a better parent! No-one can control anyones behaviour, they can only try to prevent it (distraction) and react (discipline). I find those who think they can control their children are absusive parents. I am not saying this about you, although you have no problem saying you think you're a better parent than anyone who has disagreed with you. I can guarantee you're not.

I could *write* a book but it wouldn't be helpful. The issue is not what I CAn do that other's can't, it is what I WILL do. It is 100% possible to raise a child who does not throw tantrums. You simply have to be willing to be consistent, firm and prepared to put your own personal desires second to the task of raising a kid who isn't a pain for those around you. This is not something most people are willing to do.

Anyone who tells you to "just let them scream" in a public place ought to be horsewhipped. No wonder there are so many places that nicely behaved children are no longer welcome.

Ignoring a childs bad behaviour is a classic, well known discipline technique that has been proved to work along side praising their good behaviour. I would have though a 'good' parent like you would know that.

Your book would only be helpful to other delusional parents in denial about their childs real behaviour like you obviously are. I would be very upset if my children were perfect all the time. How boring would that be? I'd see those children as passive and easily led, which would worry me a lot as they grow up and get into the wrong groups at school.

I would rather have confident children who can express their feelings (sometimes in a tantrum believe it or not!) and feel safe and comfortable with telling me how they feel and if they disgree with something I have told them to do. That brings communication and negotiation, both invaluable skills for children to learn.

I'd imagine from your posts that you are not close to your children, and they wouldn't feel comfortable coming to you in their times of need if they feel they have to be quiet and perfect all the time around you.

So... some children are too horrible to behave themselves in public even if praented properly? I don't believe in selling them short like that.

I can't figure out if you're ill informed, delusional, or just plain ignorant. If you didn't have children I would understand your blinkered iews, but as you have, I think maybe you've dug yourself into a hole and have no other way out other than to dig further.

It would be interesting to see how our children will turn out. I'd bet most of us here will have happy, well behaved children, even if they do have tantrums! We are talking about a flight here.

Like I said before, if a child cries on a plane, it is most likely due to pain or fear. I will be flying on my own with a 5 year old and a 3 year old. I'm not naive or ignorant enough to think they won't cry or winge at some point. I will moan myself, it's a 9.5 hour flight, so how child I expect a young child to behave perfectly? You're extremely naive if you think your children will always behave the way you want them to. It's impossible, whatever you may say.
 
Do you all remember the story a few years back that a family was asked to leave the plane because they wouldn't put their child in her seat to take off.

They were removed from the plane. Story was all over the news...and the press and most of the public were siding with the airline.

I'm thinking if you don't believe your children will stay in their seat/ or you don't feel you can make them..then air travel might need to wait. I would hate to be removed from a plane.

As for ears, my DD has had troubles since infancy..Here are a few suggestions

Earplanes
Sucking on bottle of water/formula juice whatever
older kids some type of chewy candy
Benedryl to dry them up...(Talk to Ped if you are uncomfortable)
We also got ear numbing drops from Ped.
Last but not least.. little bit of steaming water in styrofoam coffee cups..Paper towell to soak up water, creates steam..cups go over ears and instantly relieves the pressure. (Ask Flight attendedent before decent).
 
I do have to add. I really is all about prepareness. We have a whole carry on exclusively for child entertainment. We prepare ahead of time for decent because we know its a bad time.

We have been on multiple flights and I really hate to think what things would be like if we didn't have all our "child emergency" gear. Some might be more appropriate for 4 rather than 2..but you get the idea..

Video Ipod with multiple disney movies..
Leapster handheld
Books, Stuffed animals, crayons, drawing material.
New small toys never seen before .. such as magnetic scenes..colorforms..etc.
Snacks

This is just my experience...My children aren't really prone to terrible tantrums (Not that they haven't had their moments) especially when I prepare. If they were I would probably not put myself thru it until they were older.
 
Do you all remember the story a few years back that a family was asked to leave the plane because they wouldn't put their child in her seat to take off.

They were removed from the plane. Story was all over the news...and the press and most of the public were siding with the airline.

I'm thinking if you don't believe your children will stay in their seat/ or you don't feel you can make them..then air travel might need to wait. I would hate to be removed from a plane.

I totally agree with that, as it's for safety. But the OP's child was under two, so perfectally legal and safe for her to be in her mums lap. The FA had no need or right to force her to put her in a seat.


As for ears, my DD has had troubles since infancy..Here are a few suggestions

Earplanes
Sucking on bottle of water/formula juice whatever
older kids some type of chewy candy
Benedryl to dry them up...(Talk to Ped if you are uncomfortable)
We also got ear numbing drops from Ped.
Last but not least.. little bit of steaming water in styrofoam coffee cups..Paper towell to soak up water, creates steam..cups go over ears and instantly relieves the pressure. (Ask Flight attendedent before decent).

These are really good ideas, I'll save this thread lol.

I do have to add. I really is all about prepareness. We have a whole carry on exclusively for child entertainment. We prepare ahead of time for decent because we know its a bad time.

We have been on multiple flights and I really hate to think what things would be like if we didn't have all our "child emergency" gear. Some might be more appropriate for 4 rather than 2..but you get the idea..

Video Ipod with multiple disney movies..
Leapster handheld
Books, Stuffed animals, crayons, drawing material.
New small toys never seen before .. such as magnetic scenes..colorforms..etc.
Snacks

This is just my experience...My children aren't really prone to terrible tantrums (Not that they haven't had their moments) especially when I prepare. If they were I would probably not put myself thru it until they were older.

I always have a bag of goodies with me, and think it's a very good for distracting tired/bored/hungry children, therefore preventing a tantrum.

However there are still times mine won't want to do anything I pack and they'll winge, dispite my best efforts.

What I'm trying to say is, all children are different, react to different things in different ways, and no one should judge (not talking about you here) a parent if a child is having a less than perfect moment. It is best to be prepared, but you also have to be prepared that nothing you try will work. lol
 
I totally agree with that, as it's for safety. But the OP's child was under two, so perfectally legal and safe for her to be in her mums lap. The FA had no need or right to force her to put her in a seat.


What I'm trying to say is, all children are different, react to different things in different ways, and no one should judge (not talking about you here) a parent if a child is having a less than perfect moment. It is best to be prepared, but you also have to be prepared that nothing you try will work. lol

So I'm not sure about the under two. Title of the thread says 2+ and I believe they said they have a 2 & 3 year old. They really need to be in their seat..FAA regulations. I'll try to find a link for the news story about them being removed from the plane. Their kid was throwing a complete tantrum on the floor and the mother refused to try to get her into her seat. absolutely true story.

All children are definitely different which is why its just suggestions for what works for us. I don't agree with making judgement regarding another parent actively trying to solve the problem. Parenting is hard work...
 
Oh, for some reason I was under the impression it was an under 2 year old. I may have been tried when I read that bit then lol.

If they're under 2, then they don't have to be in a seat and no-one should tell you otherwise, but over 2 then it's the law and I agree if the mum refused to put her child in a seat they should have been removed. Rules are rules.
 
Sorry, I wasn't quoting the OP, it was brymolmum who was forced to put her one year old on her eat.
 
The thread has taken a bit of turn, the original posters question was with regards to an over two. The under two part came about on another post when the Mum was made to put her under two into a seat that she hadn't paid for because it was there, and the child then started crying. This then kicked off a comment regarding that it wasn't the flight attendants fault the kid started crying but the mothers....... and then it all sort of turned pear shaped from there.

The fact of the matter is that NOBODY parents in the same way and pretty much MOST parents are doing the best they can at it. There will always be ones that do things differently to you and others that find behaviours not acceptable which you see as not an issue and vice versus. For example my son, is allowed to run around naked after his bath, this is not allowed in my friends house. (not looking for a debate on the rights and wrongs of this it just an example)

How about a wee pledge for DevilDuckie, "I promise to try and head off any crying, loud shouts of excitement, moans, groans, shaking of toys too loud, talking too loud while on my next flight, reading the same favourite story over and over again, jiggling in the seat, snoring, blowing raspberries, chewing with mouth open," I am thinking a couple of rolls of duct tape should do it......... ;)

Kirsten
 

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