Can some tell me what is the best camcorder/camera???

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HI looking for a inexpensive cam corder/camera, Want to be able to have a smaller version than our old one.. Want the mini DVD and be able to take photos with it as well....Want it for our upcoming cruise...I am not a professional photographer and mainly only use it on vacations any suggestions thanks so much...
Was looking at Best Buy and they have a ton on sale this week...Any suggestions..thanks so much!!!!!!!!!!!
 
That's an awfully wide open question. First, cameras that can take video generally aren't very good at it and camcorders that can take pictures generally aren't very good at it. If you pick a single device that does both, decide which you want it to do better and accept the fact that it won't be particularly good at the other.

Whichever you decide, you should pick out a target price range and see what's available in that price range. Your options are very different at $250 than they are at $500, $750, $1,000, $2,000, and $8,000.

It also helps to have a sense of what things are important to you. You already mentioned small and mini-DVD. The mini-DVD makes it sound like you want to go the camcorder route. If so, be aware that you can go smaller still if you'll take mini-DV tape, CF card, or hard disk based camcorders.

You might start by browsing the reviews of camcorders at CamcorderInfo and cameras at DPReview.

Without some more constraints, you're likely to either get no feedback here or really random feedback.
 
I have to agree with MarkBarbieri, if you buy a camcorder that takes still photos the photos aren't going to be of very good quality and vice versa. Although I have the Canon S3 and it takes pretty good video and it's come in handy a few times when I've wanted to take short video clips but it's still not like having a camcorder. I've taken a few stills with our Panasonic camcorder and they've been quite grainy so I guess you have to ask what's more important to you, photo or video. I would think on your cruise you're going to likely snap a lot more pictures than video so if it were me and I had to choose I would get a camera that has video capability (it's fun to get the sailaway party on video). And if you already own a camera, buy a camcorder and bring both (that's what we always do).

Sorry I didn't answer your question about what to buy for a camcorder, I would just hate to see you snap a bunch of still photos with your camcorder only to be very disappointed in the quality when you get home.
 

We just purchased a new camcorder also to get a smaller version than our old hi-8 one. After much research I went with the Panasonic GS300. It uses the mini DV tapes. I was told by several sales people and discovered on my own research that the mini tapes will give the best quality video picture. Hard drive and especially the mini DVD get compressed much smaller and lose quality of image.

I had already chosen the Panasonic on my own research then wanted to go see it at Best Buy and asked salespeople their suggestion. That was the camcorder they picked as the best camera (out of all the mini DVD, mini DV tape and hard drive) for the mid price range I wanted for best image etc. I went on 2 occassions and asked 2 people both giving the same answer. I think it was about $560. I had a gift card too that helped!

I also wanted a camcorder with the newer 3CCD feature. Can't recall the actual name but 'color compression disc' maybe. Most cameras have 1 CCD and some new ones have 3CCD's that use one per primary color and give a more "true life" richer color picture.

It does have the still image capability and I just used it but have not loaded it up yet. I think it's a 3.1MP camera.

I'm still going tote my Dig Rebel and DH carries his pocket Canon Power Shot SD630.
 
Off2DisIGo said:
Good to know. :cool1: I'm shopping for a mini DVD for our upcoming trip, too.


And they have free shipping to online just do not know what one to get...........
 
I'll probably be flamed for this, but...... I'd like to recommend NOT getting a miniDVD, CF or HD camcorder - the compression ratios on the film results in pixelisation when played back on tvs, particularly noticeable as you go up in tv size...

Personally I'd recommend a miniDV camcorder as compression is not an issue - the modern-day miniDV cams are easily 'broadcast' quality, and are ideal to take screengrabs from, etc.

I've just bought a new one since my older Hi8 (yup, that old) camcorder has started growling at me, and i don't want it to break down when we're in WDW! I dug around and settled on a Sony DCR-HC24 (the version over there in the US is HC26)- it offers a great auto mode, along with spot focus, spot metering etc, and also comes with a few preset program AE functions - sunset/moon (for fireworks), spotlight (for reducing white face 'glare' when recording on-stage subjects), landscape (prevents focussing on mesh/glass between you and the subject), and more.

HTH :goodvibes:
 
I'd like to recommend NOT getting a miniDVD, CF or HD camcorder - the compression ratios on the film results in pixelisation when played back on tvs, particularly noticeable as you go up in tv size...

First, I assume that by HD you mean "hard disk" and not "Hi Def". Obviously, a high definition video camera is generally going to give you a much better picture than a standard def mini-DV camera.

As for the rest, be careful with generalizations. Excluding high definition cameras and non-digital cameras, there are several popular recording formats these days. Mini-dv and Digital8 both record with a format called DV but they use different media (mini-DV tapes and 8mm tapes). MiniDVD camcorders (and most of the tapeless camcorders) record using a format called MPEG2. A few now use MPEG4.

There is nothing inherently worse about MPEG2 or MPEG4 video as compared to DV, but there are advantages and disadvantages to each. First, the compression levels increase from DV to MPEG2 to MPEG4. That means that you can store more video using less data. If you try to compress too much, you get the pixelation effects referred to above. However, as examples that these are not problems inherent to the formats, all DVDs are MPEG2 (and many look quite nice) and many high definitions broadcasts shown via cable and satellite use MPEG4.

MPEG2 and MPEG4 are similar to using JPEG in that you can vary the amount of compression. If you compress too heavily, the picture gets really ugly. If you keep the compression moderate, you can get a lovely picture using much less space.

A big downside of MPEG formats comes when you edit them. Most frames in an MPEG video stream share their information with the frames before and after them. In order to display or render a frame, the computer has to actually process several frames. This isn't true with DV. So if you edit your videos, you'll need a lot more space with DV but the editor will work MUCH faster.

A big advantage to MPEG2 video is that it's what DVD players natively understand, so if you don't plan on editing and just want to get it onto a DVD, it's the easiest way to go.

Now even though there isn't an inherent picture quality disadvantage for MPEG2 and MPEG4 video, the camcorders currently on the market for those formats are clustered around the low end of the camcorder spectrum. I don't know of anyone making a particularly good MPEG2 or MPEG4 video camera. So the prior poster is essentially correct in saying that you should be very wary about non-mini-DV camcorders if image quality is particularly important to you.

Just be glad you aren't looking at high def camcorders. From what i can tell, all of the consumer ones use mini-DV tapes, but there are two competing standards (HDV and AVCHD). HDV isn't even a consistent standard with video from some manufacturer's camcorders being incompatible with others. You also have to worry about resolution (480, 720, or 1080 lines), whether you want to shoot interlaced, progressive, or pseudo-progressive, and what frame rate you want to shoot at (24fps, 25fps, 30fps, 50fps, or 60fps).
 
Yup, totally agree with above - my post sounds somewhat bumbling..... and yes, i was referring to hard disk.

I didn't mention Digital8 as i wasn't aware they were still available in the US - over here they discontinued the format some months ago, favouring miniDV instead. Personally i quite liked my Digital8 - the camcorder may have been considered 'clunky' by today's matchbox-sized cameras, but it was darn efficient and produced a beautiful quality image and sound

:goodvibes:
 
I also liked Digital8. I've had numerous transport problems with mini-DVD tape systems but never had a problem with an 8mm tape. The format is just about dead here as well, so I wouldn't recommend one to anyone.
 
Anyone have one that they would recomend???????
 
I *wasn't* in the immediate need for a camcorder, but I saw that Best Buy ad and some of the prices looked really appealing.

I am humbled by the choices and my lack of technical knowledge. I *used* to be so technically minded. I was the "go to guy" when anyone had a computer or any sort of technical question. As I was trying to compare, I felt so ignorant. I almost feel bad for being like that "Nick Burns, your company's computer guy" skit on SNL. It stinks not being "in the know."

So, I kindly defer to your more knowledgable advice:

I would like to be able to edit my vidoes on the computer. Am I correct to understand that with most DVD formats, once it's written (filmed), that's it? Based on the prior posts, I am leaning towards the miniDV - can I edit this on my PC? Pros/Cons? The price seems to be right.

Thanks for your help.
 
Am I correct to understand that with most DVD formats, once it's written (filmed), that's it?

No. You can edit MPEG2 and MPEG4 video. The problem is that it takes much more computing power to do so and every time you render a new video after editing them, you lose a bit of video quality (like editing JPG files). Editing DV based footage is much faster, although it requires more space.

However you slice it, I find editing video to be extremely laborious. It seems like a lot more work than editing photos.

As for which camera, I can't help you much. While I have some understanding of the formats, I really don't know the particular models well. You might try CamcorderInfo for some reviews.
 
with the DVD format, once its written your disc is finished (unless you use RW or Ram) but you can still edit the video by ripping it to your computer and turning it into an Mpeg video file that is editable.
 














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