Buying direct- additional points?

Just to come back on the other side.... I buy direct. I only buy direct. Some on here would tell me I am insane. That's fine. For me, it's not a financial decision. it's a who do I trust decision. I trust Disney, and I like doing business with Disney. That's why I decided to buy into DVC. Could I have gotten it cheaper resale? Absolutely. I could also have gotten my car cheaper if I bought it used. I could have gotten my house cheaper.

I'm not about to question your decision about what makes you comfortable or why you choose to purchase direct over resale. That's a personal decision and it's not my place to substitute my judgment for yours. I think your argument would be better supported if you stuck to that as your reason. Where I think you start to lose people is when you liken resale DVC to a used car. To me this is a fallacious comparison. I bought my points resale and they can be used to book the exact same room at the exact same time as your direct points. Bells and whistles aside, that is the primary function of DVC and in that capacity, direct and resale are exactly the same. A used car, however, is materially different from a new one.

As for your house comparison, I apologize but I did not understand it. Are you saying that you only buy new construction and would not buy a preexisting home? I'm not sure how that factors in here.

Although I do think it's a smart idea to stay at poly before you invest in it.

On this we agree.
 
Are there any concerns of buying direct vs resale and not being entitled to all benefits? I know awhile back some resale folks were grandfathered in under certain perks but going forth things changed... I apologize what those perks were escapes me currently. This is one thing that I'm wondering about when considering DVC. Thanks for the thread... good input. We've been keeping an eye on DVC here and there sporadically for a couple of years and are probably a year or two out from committing still :) Just waiting for the right season of life to hit. Can't wait!
They aren't required to grandfather and the way they set it up the last change, I don't see that they will going forward. Currently the main perk is the pass discounts/gold access but there are others like access to member only events/cruises. The benefit you have buying in is the ability to plan this as part of your purchase and I would do so to give future options even if one doesn't seem much current benefit. In most cases I'd just plan on buying 25 retail at the same resort for most situations but it may not be worth it for every person or every situation. Likely the biggest challenge is for those only wanting/needing a smallish contract say 100-150 or less.
 
They aren't required to grandfather and the way they set it up the last change, I don't see that they will going forward. Currently the main perk is the pass discounts/gold access but there are others like access to member only events/cruises. The benefit you have buying in is the ability to plan this as part of your purchase and I would do so to give future options even if one doesn't seem much current benefit. In most cases I'd just plan on buying 25 retail at the same resort for most situations but it may not be worth it for every person or every situation. Likely the biggest challenge is for those only wanting/needing a smallish contract say 100-150 or less.
With regards to future "perks", it's pretty clear that you differentiate between owners who are grandfathered resale and those that aren't. My question is, do you differentiate between owners who bought direct and those who are grandfathered resale? We have all resale points, some grandfathered, some not, but all were bought AFTER the first set of restrictions. All my blue DVC Membership cards (the very thing that lets me get the Gold Pass) have a 2021 expiration date on them. My concern is at that time they are not going to be sending replacements and simply say they are phasing out membership cards for all resale buyers. In your opinion, can they do this?
 
With regards to future "perks", it's pretty clear that you differentiate between owners who are grandfathered resale and those that aren't. My question is, do you differentiate between owners who bought direct and those who are grandfathered resale? We have all resale points, some grandfathered, some not, but all were bought AFTER the first set of restrictions. All my blue DVC Membership cards (the very thing that lets me get the Gold Pass) have a 2021 expiration date on them. My concern is at that time they are not going to be sending replacements and simply say they are phasing out membership cards for all resale buyers. In your opinion, can they do this?

Could they? IMO yes however when they announced the grandfathering they did not include a sunset date so I don't think that's been their plan so far.

The 2021 date now included is almost certainly just to have a time that these cards end so that people who sell won't be able to get dining or shopping discounts in perpetuity. In most cases Disney still doesn't verify current membership so it's about the only way to have some control over that.
 

it's a good thing I don't do it with you - because even if it was a financially "better" deal, I would have no interest in it.

I'm a Disney shareholder, so you already have, actually. From that perspective, I thank you for your high margin purchase and the considerable profit that came with it. ESPN has been a stinker so we need people to pay full price on DVC contracts to keep those dividends and higher share prices going.

I wouldn't offer you a better deal, anyway. If I were a manager at a car dealership, I'd send out a smooth talking salesman to tell you stories and make you feel good...and then soak you for the full sticker price. Who cares about the financial part of the decision, right? It's only money.

Your opinion. I find it rude to say that I am poorly researched or short sighted because of how I choose to do business....but then I didn't purchase into DVC to sell it. If I had to sell it, I am sure I would use one of the reputable resale markets - but that's due to lack of another option. In the case of purchase, there *is* another option, albeit a more expensive one.

You can get snippy all you want, but if you spent 5 years researching DVC and never got around to figuring out an exit strategy, that's on you.

Few buyers plan to sell but when you spend tens of thousands on an asset, it's good to know how you'd need to proceed if things don't work out. And if the only exit strategy available is resale instead of working with your more "trusted" option, that should have been a red flag.

My problem is you are doing the same thing you are accusing me of which I was trying not to do. You are making Disney out to be the devil and that anyone who buys direct is clearly uninformed.

Disney is not the devil, they are simply motivated by profit. You cheerfully pay full price as a profitable customer - it's good for the economy to spread the wealth (and it's true that if people like you didn't pay extra to buy direct, there would never be cheaper resales for the rest of us to purchase). But most of us are more interested in finding a way to accomplish the same thing they are offering but in a way that costs less.

On other timeshare sites, they would suspect you of being a shill. A poster with connections to Disney sales to try to discourage people from buying resale by painting vague scary stories about resale and how much better and safer direct purchases can be...but you don't actually offer any reasoning of substance. Your opinion seems to be that setting $20 bills on fire is fun and recreational, and hey, that is your "opinion" and no one can argue with an "opinion."

But as for the actual facts - and math - that "smart people" care about, there is no real benefit to buying direct other than the AP discount. You get your pts faster (but it's a contract for several decades so a couple of months is not a legit consideration). Maybe you get a tote bag for those extra thousands of dollars but most of the rest of us won't spend that much on a tote bag.

Small contracts sell for a premium on the resale market, so for a 25 pt contract purchased directly, even a $40 per pt differential is still only $1000 extra total. You can make a factual case for how many AP discounts can make up the extra spent on a direct purchase...(assuming that DVC doesn't cut the AP discount for everyone)...but in terms of hard facts and not pixie dust, that's really about the only time a direct purchase is logically defensible.
 
With regards to future "perks", it's pretty clear that you differentiate between owners who are grandfathered resale and those that aren't. My question is, do you differentiate between owners who bought direct and those who are grandfathered resale? We have all resale points, some grandfathered, some not, but all were bought AFTER the first set of restrictions. All my blue DVC Membership cards (the very thing that lets me get the Gold Pass) have a 2021 expiration date on them. My concern is at that time they are not going to be sending replacements and simply say they are phasing out membership cards for all resale buyers. In your opinion, can they do this?
There are actually 4 groups, retail buyers, resale before any restrictions plus the 2 restricted groups you mention. Could they retroactively enforce any limitations, certainly they could even on retail buyers if they wanted. Other timeshares do in some situations but realistically I think the first 3 groups have what they have and the last group will not be grandfathered for future changes.
 
...but in terms of hard facts and not pixie dust, that's really about the only time a direct purchase is logically defensible.
I think there are others but they are all specialty situations. Smaller contracts (maybe 50 or less), contracts for high end options not available otherwise or not much savings resale where it makes sense to do so (pay cash, use only at that resort) like VGC or VGF. But it'd be a rare situation where any of these would be reasonable for a first purchase, the exception would be someone who had a ton of knowledge and experience like a second generation or similar circumstance or the group that's looked at DVC for years with real investigation but never pulled the trigger.
 
I think there are others but they are all specialty situations. Smaller contracts (maybe 50 or less), contracts for high end options not available otherwise or not much savings resale where it makes sense to do so (pay cash, use only at that resort) like VGC or VGF. But it'd be a rare situation where any of these would be reasonable for a first purchase, the exception would be someone who had a ton of knowledge and experience like a second generation or similar circumstance or the group that's looked at DVC for years with real investigation but never pulled the trigger.

So you believe smaller contracts are best resale however any initial purchase should general go thru the mouse to insure best outcome ? VGF is currently only available resale correct? That is on our list... again we are a ways out still but are we are getting closer :) Ready for that 1st retirement to hit before we pull the trigger
 
So you believe smaller contracts are best resale however any initial purchase should general go thru the mouse to insure best outcome ? VGF is currently only available resale correct? That is on our list... again we are a ways out still but are we are getting closer :) Ready for that 1st retirement to hit before we pull the trigger
No, I feel that in almost every case a buyer (both new and existing) should buy resale with very limited and specific exceptions. One of the exceptions is VERY small contracts esp 25 and often up to 50 points. The gist of other exceptions I outlined above.
 
So you believe smaller contracts are best resale however any initial purchase should general go thru the mouse to insure best outcome ? VGF is currently only available resale correct? That is on our list... again we are a ways out still but are we are getting closer :) Ready for that 1st retirement to hit before we pull the trigger

From one Kat to another - save your money - buy resale first. :goodvibes

For the most part the only reason not to make your main purchase resale would be if the resort were brand new to DVC and there wasn't much or any resale yet so the price difference was very negligible.
 



















DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest

Back
Top