Bush was right

[TCPluto]

Now, we're hated by the civilised world. Our military is spent, unable to do more than token role for many, many years.

[EDIT 2]: I still haven't stopped laughing! I just dug another thing up that some geek came up with:

Rich::

If you think we are just now hated by what you term the civilized world, you continue in your delusion. That hatred has been around for decades.

Our military isn't spent. If we could do what was done when liberatiing England, Germany, and defeating Japan, this war would be over tomorrow.

Don't you think the carpet bombing in WWII was a little excesive? Never mind that it's what allowed us to win the war.

Great link by the way. Maybe you can figure out a site that works next time.

 

[dcentity2000]

Wouldn't it be great to help everyone out, all at the same time? Let me know how we can accomplish this.

Prioritise. No point in invading France when you could be invading Syria.

If you refuse to deny the facts to propel your hatred, so be it. To do so, only makes you look petty however.

If you refuse to deny? As in, we should listen to the facts that propel our supposed hatred?



Go back to school! You clearly have difficulties with grammar! Your hatred blinds you even to proper English!



Rich::

 

[eclectics]

If you are coming here expecting to exchange meaningful ideas through civil, thoughtful dialogue, I feel sorry for you. The hard left has made it clear that that type of exchange will not be tolerated. You'll certainly leave angrier and more dissatisfied than when you came.

I have been coming here for that and have indeed had many a thoughtful dialogue with right and left on many subjects. That's why I return. I only leave angry when someone repeatedly stoops to snarky personal slurs as a defense when they are challenged on their statements. We are all guilty of it from time to time but most people here don't make it a prerequisite for every post, as you seem to do.

 

[dcentity2000]

If you are coming here expecting to exchange meaningful ideas through civil, thoughtful dialogue, I feel sorry for you.

Um...

You mean I shouldn't feel sorry for you?



Rich::

 

[dcentity2000]

I think it is clearly your fault for not providing your crystal ball revelations before this started. From the comfort of your couch, you simply have all of the answers. Who would have thunk it? Not me...

I think the world did.

"There are no WMDs".
"It's illegal to invade."
"Saddam in not threatening any other state".
"Containment is working" (Ms. Rice to thank for that obvious statement).

Buh.

Bush decided to ignore the majority evidence and instead peered into said crystal ball. He couldn't have been more wrong.



Rich::

 

[dcentity2000]

If you think we are just now hated by what you term the civilized world, you continue in your delusion. That hatred has been around for decades.

Fail, again. Countries other than Israel admired the USA for it's unbending democracy and love for the rule of law and peace. When it jettisoned all three, you became loathed by the civilised world. So did we.

In turn, this hatred fuelled terrorism. We had given the radicals an excuse to take arms against us with even greter haste in even greater numbers.

That's why Bush supporters are often labelled as "traitors" by the majority of the public.

Our military isn't spent. If we could do what was done when liberatiing England, Germany, and defeating Japan, this war would be over tomorrow.

Ours is spent, for several years too.

Please provide evidence that you liberated Great Britain during the war; a curious notion as we were never invaded in the first place (Battle of Britain made sure of this).

I'd like to point out that your participation in the war was not as great as those in the middle of it; you had the luxury of being able to to sit on the other end of the world whilst Europeans had to suffer with nightly raids, bombings and the blitz.

Don't you think the carpet bombing in WWII was a little excesive? Never mind that it's what allowed us to win the war.

Whatever, eh? Sounds like the green light for nukes and chemical attacks! Great!

Great link by the way. Maybe you can figure out a site that works next time.

Not to finger you as being a little, well, slow or anything but I have to let you in on a little secret:

That error message wasn't real!

I'd say don't let your hatred blind you to that but the word "hatred" is SO passé.

Oh and one last thing - you made me laugh out loud today for the first time in a long while - thankyou

[EDIT] Not to say that the USA's participation in the war was unwelcome, just to point out that you were not in the direct line of fire compared to, say, the Russians.



Rich::

 

[wvrevy]

Don't let it bother you Wvrevy, the rabid right is just grasping at broken straws trying to make themselves feel better about blindly supporting an incompetent, corrupt, and impotent administration.

It's just sickening. I mean, they cry about the left's "hatred" while buying up books by a nazi @#%! (insert female derogatory word of you choice) that has advocated everything from the assassination of two supreme court justices to a foreign policy of "invading their countries and converting them to christianity"...as if that ignorant so-and-so would have a clue what christianity looked like.

As for the claim of "where were you before the war with your crystal ball"...obviously, they must have some kind of mental deficiency that doesn't allow them to remember back then when a lot of us were predicting exactly the scenario that is happening right now in Iraq. It's a nation made up of three distinctly different peoples, thrown together in a post-war amalgamation that wasn't a good idea from the start. Saddam was only keeping it together because he was more brutal than they were. Now that he's gone, the opposing factions are free to start the civil war that is roughly 50 years over due in that country. It doesn't take a genius to see that, but you'd think even the monkey in the white house could have figured it out.

And finally, to you, Pluto...We could bomb the living hell out of the people that are perpetrating the genocide in Africa, and it would take practically nothing from Bush's little war in Iraq. So, why haven't we ? What, exactly, will it take to turn your attention from this war of choice in the middle east to the mass murdering of hundreds of thousands of Africans?

 

[eclectics]

As for the claim of "where were you before the war with your crystal ball"...obviously, they must have some kind of mental deficiency that doesn't allow them to remember back then when a lot of us were predicting exactly the scenario that is happening right now in Iraq. It's a nation made up of three distinctly different peoples, thrown together in a post-war amalgamation that wasn't a good idea from the start. Saddam was only keeping it together because he was more brutal than they were. Now that he's gone, the opposing factions are free to start the civil war that is roughly 50 years over due in that country. It doesn't take a genius to see that, but you'd think even the monkey in the white house could have figured it out.

I have always found it amazing that this administration did so little in post invasion planning. If a good number of ordinary citizens knew exactly the chaos that was going to take place, why in God's name did Rumsfeld and Cheney think all three factions would greet us with open arms and settle down to live in peaceful coexistence? It boggles the mind!

 

[TCPluto]

It's just sickening. I mean, they cry about the left's "hatred" while buying up books by a nazi @#%! (insert female derogatory word of you choice) that has advocated everything from the assassination of two supreme court justices to a foreign policy of "invading their countries and converting them to christianity"...as if that ignorant so-and-so would have a clue what christianity looked like.

And finally, to you, Pluto...We could bomb the living hell out of the people that are perpetrating the genocide in Africa, and it would take practically nothing from Bush's little war in Iraq. So, why haven't we ? What, exactly, will it take to turn your attention from this war of choice in the middle east to the mass murdering of hundreds of thousands of Africans?

To the first parapraph, I have no idea what you are referring to. But that's ok, I don't think you do either.

You're advocating "bombing the hell" out of some/someplace? Would you let us do that in Iraq? I think not.

 

[dcentity2000]

You're advocating "bombing the hell" out of some/someplace? Would you let us do that in Iraq? I think not.

Aren't you supporting a war in Iraq in which we bombed the hell out of them?

I think the idea was (that you overshot by sever hundred miles, as per usual) that since you obviously have no problem with pulling the trigger, it shouldn't be hard to go after a nation suffering a humanitarian crisis - especially if your] military is as ready as you say it is.

What's your excuse for not invading Zimbabwe? Not good enough for you?



Rich::

 

[dcentity2000]

I have no idea

Quoted for truth



Rich::

 

[TCPluto]

Not to finger you as being a little, well, slow or anything but I have to let you in on a little secret:

That error message wasn't real!


[EDIT] Not to say that the USA's participation in the war was unwelcome, just to point out that you were not in the direct line of fire compared to, say, the Russians. Rich::

Regarding the error message, you entirely missed my point. Really though, shame on me for thinking you would pick it up.

I would just ask that you think about the tens of thousands US WWII war dead when you get up every morning. You see we went over to your house to help, remember? And we would gladly do it again. Oh wait, we are aren't we, the adress just changed a bit.

 

[wvrevy]

To the first parapraph, I have no idea what you are referring to. But that's ok, I don't think you do either.

I'm referring to the right's needs to continuously whine about the meanies on the left, and unless you are several people posting under the same name, you should have recognized that considering you were just doing some complaining about the "hatred of the left" a couple pages ago.

You're advocating "bombing the hell" out of some/someplace? Would you let us do that in Iraq? I think not.

If Saddam had been engaged in an active genocide in his country, I would absolutely have supported it. Or if he had invaded one of our allies (as he did to spark the first Gulf War). Or if he posed a serious threat to us or our allies and was planning an attack. Or if he was somehow aiding the people that did attack us (like...oh, I dunno...the United Arab Emerites, maybe?). But he wasn't ANY of those things. Nothing more needs to be said.

 

[dcentity2000]

Regarding the error message, you entirely missed my point. Really though, shame on me for thinking you would pick it up.

Do spell it out - we're dying to know!

I would just ask that you think about the tens of thousands US WWII war dead when you get up every morning. You see we went over to your house to help, remember? And we would gladly do it again. Oh wait, we are aren't we, the adress just changed a bit.

Oh silly me, you're right, those tens of thousands of dead people is proof that war is good!



Yeah, right.

But hang on, if you love the war so much, why aren't you in it? Your country needs you!



Rich::

 

[wvrevy]

Regarding the error message, you entirely missed my point. Really though, shame on me for thinking you would pick it up.

I would just ask that you think about the tens of thousands US WWII war dead when you get up every morning. You see we went over to your house to help, remember? And we would gladly do it again. Oh wait, we are aren't we, the adress just changed a bit.

Wow...Talk about your revisionist history.

 

[dcentity2000]

Never mind that it's what allowed us to win the war.

It just struck me - this is exactly what the 9/11 terrorists said. Anything, no matter what, to win the "war".



Rich::

 

[TCPluto]

Oh silly me, you're right, those tens of thousands of dead people is proof that war is good!

Yeah, right.

But hang on, if you love the war so much, why aren't you in it? Your country needs you! Rich::

No one is saying war is good. But I am saying to be afraid of having to go to war is bad.

No one is saying anyone loves war. Sometimes, like now, it is and was necessary.

Why aren't I in it? What has that got to do with anything? And why would you assume that I'm not or haven't been? Just curious...

 

[TCPluto]

I'm referring to the right's needs to continuously whine about the meanies on the left, and unless you are several people posting under the same name, you should have recognized that considering you were just doing some complaining about the "hatred of the left" a couple pages ago.

.

I guess I was referring to your remark about Nazi literature. I have no idea what you've been reading, or reading into, to make such a wild statement.

I don't hate you guys. I feel compassion for you.

 

[wvrevy]

I really wish I could say that this image had been photoshopped, but unfortunately not. Yes, that's right...the new talking point from the right will be that civil war in Iraq is a good thing.

 

[dcentity2000]

No one is saying war is good. But I am saying to be afraid of having to go to war is bad.

No one is saying anyone loves war. Sometimes, like now, it is and was necessary.

No one is afraid of war - look a quote that says otherwise.

Our protest lies with the situation. First we were fed evidence that was known to be dud. Then we invaded a country that was no threat to us or our allies. In doing so, we flaunted democracy and international law. In the process, we ignored other countries that had more immediate crises that needed the help far more. Then we felt the bite of a lack of long term planning. Finally, it turns out that the war only accelerated the inevitable - a collapse of the regime (your own Ms. Rice is the one to contend with if you feel otherwise).

Bottom line is, the war was misplaced, misguided and unnecessary.

Why aren't I in it? What has that got to do with anything? And why would you assume that I'm not or haven't been? Just curious...

Well, you advocate this war very strongly - Iraq could use another soldier and you sound more than happy with the morals of the situation.

And I have no idea whether you are there or not; if you are, why are you posting on a Disney forum?



Rich::