Bush was right

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From the article:

'Bush Was Right'
Posted 2/21/2006

WMD: The quote above is that of a former UNSCOM member after translating and reviewing 12 hours of taped conversations between Saddam Hussein and his aides. So what's on the covers of Time and Newsweek?

Funny thing about dictators and tyrants: Very often they are meticulous record keepers. The fall of the Third Reich, the Soviet Union and Saddam Hussein's Iraq all produced treasure troves of information. In Iraq's case, there were so many documents and records that even now only a small fraction have been translated and analyzed.

Among them are 12 hours of conversations from the early 1990s through 2000 between Hussein and his top advisers. They reveal, among other things, how Iraq was working on an advanced method of enriching uranium, how Iraq was conspiring to deceive U.N. inspectors regarding weapons of mass destruction and how these weapons might be used against the U.S.

The tapes were officially presented Sunday by former FBI translator Bill Tierney to a private conference of former weapons inspectors and intelligence experts in Arlington, Va. Tierney is an Arabic speaker who worked in the mid-1990s for the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), the agency responsible for overseeing Iraq's disarmament.

On one of the tapes, made in 2000, two years after Saddam kicked out U.N. weapons inspectors, two Iraqi scientists can be heard briefing Hussein on their progress in enriching uranium using plasma separation. If successful, their work would have given Saddam the fissile material he needed to make a nuclear bomb.

The plasma process got a brief mention in the 2004 final report of CIA arms inspector Charles Duefer, but only as a legacy program the Iraqis allegedly abandoned in the 1980s. "This not only shows the capabilities the Iraqis had, but also the weakness of international arms inspection," Tierney believes.

Some highlights from the tapes were played last Wednesday night on ABC's "Nightline." The chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Pete Hoekstra, has listened to some of the tapes and said they were "authentic."

In one exchange taped in April or May 1995, Saddam's son-in-law, Hussein Kamil al-Majid, briefed Saddam and his aides on his success at concealing Iraq's WMD from inspectors. "We did not reveal all that we have," he said. "They didn't know the extent of our work on missiles."

Of the information turned over to U.N. inspectors, Hussein Kamil told Saddam: "Not the type of weapons, not the volume of materials we imported, not the volume of production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct. They didn't know any of this."

Skeptics will no doubt claim that this is merely a case of a sycophant massaging Saddam's ego, telling him of programs that didn't exist and progress that was never made. But many of these were programs and weapons the U.N. documented after Desert Storm and of which the U.N. itself demanded a full accounting in Resolution 1441.

So what happened to them? Both Israeli and U.S. intelligence observed large truck convoys leaving Iraq and entering Syria in the weeks and months before Operation Iraqi Freedom.

John Shaw, former deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, told the conference that former Russian intelligence boss Yevgeny Primakov went to Iraq in December 2002 to supervise WMD transfers into Syria.

According to Georges Sada, Saddam's No. 2 Air Force officer, two Iraqi Airways Boeing jets were converted to cargo planes and moved the WMD to Syria in a total of 56 flights six weeks before the war. The flights were disguised as part of a relief effort after a Syrian dam collapsed in 2002.

So what is on the media's mind? Not Saddam's secrets, but those of Vice President Dick Cheney — as evidenced by his failure to notify the Washington press corps immediately after his hunting accident. That subject graced the covers of both Time and Newsweek and preoccupied the weekend talk shows.


No surprise.
 
History will tell. Even if we found stuff hidden there now there would still be those who would think this administration planted it.
 
:sad2: I never get into political discussions but I'm glad this came out. I think it's pathetic that the first time I've read or seen anything about this is on the Dis.
 
Thanks Joe, I was waiting for someone else to post it. It is such an "under reported story". I guess the Cheney shooting made it too much for the media to cover this. Given that some dems are about to put forth a plan to "impeach President Bush over manipulation of intelligence", this should make them look like the idiots that they are. Also ignored are the reports from the Iraqi officer that 55 plane loads to WMDs were flown to Syria.
 

Okay, this was released more than 24 hours ago. I demand to know why it's taking the mainstream media so long to inform the public (i.e. plaster it over every news show on and on and on). I mean, don't we have the right to know? Could the use of alcohol on the part of reporters be causing them to overlook (ignore?) this story? ;)
 
I'd like to see if this story does come out. No matter which way the media leans this is NEWS and if it's true someone should be chomping at the bit to get it on the air.
 
Look folks, this stuff has been reported in the mainstream media - you'll note above where it mentions the tapes being played on ABC's Nightline. They have been heavily reported for weeks by outlets such as WND, that also report on bigfoot sightings. But they haven't gotten much attention because they have almost no credibility.

There are two sides on the WMD in Iraq story. On the one side, you have the investigation of the US. We spent $billions. We didn't just look for weapons, we looked for places where weapons would have been designed. Found none. We looked for factories were the parts that would have gone into weapons would have been built. Found none. We looked for factories where the weapons would have been built. Again, none. We looked where they would have been stored, transported, etc. Nothing. We looked for people who would have worked planning, building, storing, transporting. etc. We looked for anybody who might have worked with the weapons, trained in their use, etc. Found none. We looked for family members, friends, enemies, anybody who might have known anybody who worked designing, building, storing, transporting or having any contact with WMD. Nope. We traced down every rumor or bit of intelligence that led us to believe that Iraq had WMD before the war and every one proved unreliable.

On the other side you have an Iraqi general who wrote a book. In that book, he claims he saw yellow barrels with skull and crossbones painted on them being loaded into planes. That's his entire bit of evidence. He saw yellow barrels with skulls and crossbones on them. Doesn't know what was in the barrels, where they came from, who made them, what kind of weapon they might have been, how they came into existence, etc. But he knows he saw some barrels.

Most people find the evidence for there not being any WMD or programs in Iraq to be the more convincing story. Others are willing to throw out all that because an Iraq general who claims he saw some yellow barrels.
 
sbclifton said:
Okay, this was released more than 24 hours ago. I demand to know why it's taking the mainstream media so long to inform the public (i.e. plaster it over every news show on and on and on). I mean, don't we have the right to know? Could the use of alcohol on the part of reporters be causing them to overlook (ignore?) this story? ;)
This was also reported on CNN a few days ago. The jist of the tapes was that Saddam was trying to attain weapons and how to hide the early makings of a weapons program from UN inspectors in the mid 1990's. He also spoke of the possiblilty of a terrorist attack on the United States, but not one that would come from Iraq. As we all now know, after many years of pressure via economic sanctions and a continuous US military presence at Iraq's northern border, he was never able to attain these weapons. If we would have continued the inpections, we would have eventually found that out first hand peacefully, instead of finding out after flattening Iraq.
 
In your face you Kennedy-loving slime!!

Bush finally got one thing right, so lets see the liberal press choke on that for a while.

And to think there were those who said Bush would never get anything right. Well this just goes to show that with a little of that old National Guard perseverance, even George Bush will get the occasional thing right.

Don’t let the America-Haters get you down fellow conservatives. This just goes to prove that the Bush administration is not a total failure.
 
DawnCt1 said:
Thanks Joe, I was waiting for someone else to post it. It is such an "under reported story". I guess the Cheney shooting made it too much for the media to cover this. Given that some dems are about to put forth a plan to "impeach President Bush over manipulation of intelligence", this should make them look like the idiots that they are. Also ignored are the reports from the Iraqi officer that 55 plane loads to WMDs were flown to Syria.


Why don't we invade Syria, Dawn, and when we find them, Bush can parade them down Pennsylvania Ave. If it's under reported as you say, it's because as usual, it's not credible and it's unsubstantiated. Do you really think Fox wouldn't scream at the top of their lungs if they found definitive proof? Stop grabbing at every tidbit that you think will finally justify the WMD fiasco. You'll never find it because it ain't there.
 
I can't find the original on the OP's link. Who wrote that editorial?

Is there another link? I'm sure Fox must be 24/7 with this by now
 
eclectics said:
Why don't we invade Syria, Dawn, and when we find them, Bush can parade them down Pennsylvania Ave.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's the plan. They're trying to stir up something by sicking the Rush Limbaugh disco-heads on this at the same time Rice is in Lebanon. Nah. It's probably just a smokescreen to make us all forget about the Arab nation taking over our ports. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :hyper: :hyper: :rotfl: :rotfl: :lmao: :lmao:

Can't believe you guys would grasp at that thin straw. :lmao: Besides, I know it should be front page news if Bush ever gets something right...but in this case (since that's not what actually happened), I think I can speak for all of the mainstream media when I say yeah...um...no.
 
MossMan said:
In your face you Kennedy-loving slime!!

Bush finally got one thing right, so lets see the liberal press choke on that for a while.

And to think there were those who said Bush would never get anything right. Well this just goes to show that with a little of that old National Guard perseverance, even George Bush will get the occasional thing right.

Don’t let the America-Haters get you down fellow conservatives. This just goes to prove that the Bush administration is not a total failure.

When I read stuff like this , I feel very afraid. It shows shades of fashism that we have seen else where in the world and that lead to horrific things. At least th poster has something right : most of the Bush admistration is a failliure , and that last story , that should be incredible and earthshattering if it had a thread of credibility is not very trusted , even by the conservative media like Fox who would relly , realy love to be able to say "we told you so".

And to say that people are America-haters when thay disagree with the governement...You know what happens in China when you dont agree with the governement ? Are people speaking against the governement in China called "China-Haters " ? By there governement , certainly , but my guess is that it is because they love China thet they speak against there governement !

The poster would have felt right at home during the mass hysteria of the Mac Carty erea !
 
toto2 said:
When I read stuff like this , I feel very afraid. It shows shades of fashism that we have seen else where in the world and that lead to horrific things. At least th poster has something right : most of the Bush admistration is a failliure , and that last story , that should be incredible and earthshattering if it had a thread of credibility is not very trusted , even by the conservative media like Fox who would relly , realy love to be able to say "we told you so".

And to say that people are America-haters when thay disagree with the governement...You know what happens in China when you dont agree with the governement ? Are people speaking against the governement in China called "China-Haters " ? By there governement , certainly , but my guess is that it is because they love China thet they speak against there governement !

The poster would have felt right at home during the mass hysteria of the Mac Carty erea !


psssssst...he's being sarcastic ;)
 
toto2 said:
When I read stuff like this , I feel very afraid.
Psst - I don't know the poster, but I'm pretty sure he was making a joke. It's been my experience that true Bush supporters don't use the phrases, "even George Bush will get the occasional thing right" and "the Bush administration is not a total failure."
 
I personally never disputed that Sadaam was working on WMD at one time. The point in my view is that he didn't have them at the time of invasion.

Did he fly them to Syria? If we know that to be true, why didn't we invade Syria instead of Iraq? And why attack a country instead of using peaceful means if the WMD are long gone?

I don't see where anyone got anything right here.
 
If George W. Bush did something right, he was probably trying to do something else at the time ;)

Joking aside, I kow nothing about this; we've been following more important stories here, such as the Bird Flu crisis, the handover of power between Blair and his successor and the environment. Oh, and NHS procefures.

If I take this at face value as something good, then good for him! Always nice to have a bit of cake etc :)



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