Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

[chobie]

Cindy looked real cute in front of the "No Blood for Oil" banner in the Chicago Sun Times today.

Apparently, she love conspiracies, too. Sorry for her grief, but she (and her supporters) are stomping on her son's grave with this nonsense.

How dare you roll you eyes at a woman who lost her son? You should be praying to you God that you never know the loss of a child, not vilifying a grieving mother because you disagree with her politics.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I absolutely agree with this. Perhaps this latest bit of news will put to rest (forever) that 9/11 happened just on this presidents watch - it happened on both. And, prior to 9/11, both of their hands were tied in many ways. They could have done more, but how much more? How much more would the American people have allowed prior to 9/11?

This information was pretty well known after the 9/11 Commission's Report was published earlier this year. It really isn't news that both Presidents have partial blame to bear. Didn't anyone read the report? It was on the NY Times best seller list for quite some time.

 

[Professor Mouse]

Can't speak for the others but I believe he never said Iraq had anything to do with the attacks on 9-11.

Bush and Cheney did their best to creat the impression that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam despite the fact that there was no link. Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship

"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting.

Remember that for a long time polls showed that a large number of people believed that there was a link (admittedly, a large number of these people were probably Faux News watchers).

 

[bsnyder]

Media Matters does a great job of documenting Drudge's lies and distortions about Cindy Sheehan. Cindy Sheehan "changed her story on Bush"? Tracking a lie through the conservative media John may not believe that Drudge is a slime artist but then again, John does not believe that Bush tried to confuse the American public about the Saddam being linked to the September 11 attacks.

Maybe you'd care to comment on this portion of the article (the Vacaville Reporter article, not the Drudge one).

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act.

She sure isn't deferring to him now, is she? Sad, that she's chosen to dishonor her son's memory in such a public way. I feel very, very sorry for her.

 

[transparant]

However, it all changed, and the debate began, when our President decided to derail the hunt for Bin Laden before it was finished and sent our best troops over to Iraq. Stupid, stupid move!

Tell the 19 Navy Seals and Army Aviators who died recently in Afghanistan looking for Bin Laden and still fighting Taliban that our "Best troops" are over in Iraq I've received many letter's from servicemen in Iraq lately and believe me - they are still fighting and hunting as strong as ever!

 

[Professor Mouse]

Maybe you'd care to comment on this portion of the article (the Vacaville Reporter article, not the Drudge one).
She sure isn't deferring to him now, is she? Sad, that she's chosen to dishonor her son's memory in such a public way. I feel very, very sorry for her.

First, this was when she was in active grief for her child and second this was before the Down Street Minutes established that Bush fixed the facts and the intelligence to justify the war. Accusing a mother of dishonoring the memory of her child is a low blow even for a conservative. Bush lied about the reasons for the Iraq war and as a result this mother lost her child. The idea that this mother is dishonoring the memory of her child is just plain wrong.

 

[Charade]

Bush and Cheney did their best to creat the impression that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam despite the fact that there was no link. Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship

"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting.

Remember that for a long time polls showed that a large number of people believed that there was a link (admittedly, a large number of these people were probably Faux News watchers).

I sure wish this board had multi-level quoting.

Anyways... That doesn't say that Iraq had anything to do with the attacks on 9-11. All it says (and it *is* a fact) that there was a connection between Iraq/SH and Al Queda.

 

[bsnyder]

Bush and Cheney did their best to creat the impression that there was a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam despite the fact that there was no link. Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship Remember that for a long time polls showed that a large number of people believed that there was a link (admittedly, a large number of these people were probably Faux News watchers).

You left out this direct quote from the President, from the same article:

"This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda," Bush said. "We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda."

 

[lyeag]

This information was pretty well known after the 9/11 Commission's Report was published earlier this year. It really isn't news that both Presidents have partial blame to bear. Didn't anyone read the report? It was on the NY Times best seller list for quite some time.

No, this wasn't included in the 9/11 Commission's Report according to these new claims. If you can prove otherwise, please share a link.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

We tied our own hands, with three decades of liberal hostility to federal law enforcement and intelligence gathering.

And I agree, before 9/11, there wouldn't have been much public enthusiasm for change.

Liberal? I always thought that conservatives prided themselves on states rights, limited government, and keeping a sharp eye on law enforcement. I guess I was wrong and instituting police states and big government programs have always been the Republican's platform.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

No, this wasn't included in the 9/11 Commission's Report according to these new claims. If you can prove otherwise, please share a link.

No, not this specific claim. I'm talking about the claim that both the Bush and Clinton Administrations shared blame in 9/11.

 

[bsnyder]

First, this was when she was in active grief for her child and second this was before the Down Street Minutes established that Bush fixed the facts and the intelligence to justify the war. Accusing a mother of dishonoring the memory of her child is a low blow even for a conservative. Bush lied about the reasons for the Iraq war and as a result this mother lost her child. The idea that this mother is dishonoring the memory of her child is just plain wrong.

What she's doing to the memory of her son's noble service and ultimate sacrifice is a low blow, even for a grieving mother.

 

[lyeag]

What I really want to know is who are these lawyers that decided Atta deserved rights to privacy even though the military had proof he was part of a terrorist cell. The military special ops had no authority to arrest him, they go looking to get people who could, and get shot down by lawyers.

 

[bsnyder]

Liberal? I always thought that conservatives prided themselves on states rights, limited government, and keeping a sharp eye on law enforcement. I guess I was wrong and instituting police states and big government programs have always been the Republican's platform.

Surely you don't think the Democrats have been thought of as "The party of National Security" do you?

 

[Charade]

You left out this direct quote from the President, from the same article:

Interesting... Kyle pulled a Drudge.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Surely you don't think the Democrats have been thought of as "The party of National Security" do you?

After reading the 9/11 Commission's Report, I'd say neither party was all that swift. Do you agree?

 

[bsnyder]

Interesting... Kyle pulled a Drudge.

 

[chobie]

What she's doing to the memory of her son's noble service and ultimate sacrifice is a low blow, even for a grieving mother.

Really, you have lost a child so you can say from experience what a low blow is for grieving mother? How do you know what went through her son's head in his last moments of life?

 

[lyeag]

you know, I can put some perpective on the mother son thing. My MIL would be shouting from the roof where CNN broadcasts saying Bush killed her son. She hates the war, Bush, everything. If my dh died in the war, she would blame Bush. I have no doubt my husband would come back and haunt her. He supports the mission and is conservative. That wouldn't matter to her.


Now, we don't know this young man's view on the war, but it is possible she is going against his views.

 

[Professor Mouse]

It is obvious that Rove has been so busy meeting with lawyers that the Bushies are totalling blowing the media war on Sheehan protest. Here is the just one of the AP stories on this protest. Grieving Mother's War Protest Draws Notice

The mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who started a quiet roadside peace vigil near President Bush's ranch last weekend is drawing supporters from across the nation.

Dozens of people have joined her and others have sent flowers and food. One activist called her "the Rosa Parks of the anti-war movement."

Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., says she was surprised at the response.

"Before my son was killed, I used to think that one person could not make a difference," she said Wednesday under a tent where she has slept since Saturday. "But one person that is surrounded and supported by millions of people can be heard."

Cindy Sheehan is becoming the Rosa Parks of the anti-Iraq war protest movement due to the poor handling of this issue. Claims that she is dishonoring the memory of her son are not helping the coverage of this issue. Attacking a grieving mother is always a smart PR move and is going to pay great dividends for the Bushies. If the Bushies are falling apart now, just wait until Rove is convicted and is behind bars.