Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

[bsnyder]

After reading the 9/11 Commission's Report, I'd say neither party was all that swift. Do you agree?

Agreed.

And again, I blame the failures more on a lack of imagination, and the notion that terrorist attacks only happen elsewhere, not on U.S. soil. (notwithstanding Oklahoma City and the first WTC attack).

What I find extremely objectionable is that even after 9/11, the Left continues to attack the Patriot Act and the Bush Administration, for trying to rectify these glaring shortcomings. My fear is that if we don't use some common sense, we'll end up with more frequent attacks and a huge segment of the general population will be clamoring for something much more draconian than the Patriot Act.

 

[chobie]

you know, I can put some perpective on the mother son thing. My MIL would be shouting from the roof where CNN broadcasts saying Bush killed her son. She hates the war, Bush, everything. If my dh died in the war, she would blame Bush. I have no doubt my husband would come back and haunt her. He supports the mission and is conservative. That wouldn't matter to her.


Now, we don't know this young man's view on the war, but it is possible she is going against his views.

Its possible, but for God's sake give the woman the benefit of the doubt. It's one thing to say you disagree with her or you speculate that he might not have wanted her to do this, but to villify her? It's disgusting.

 

[lyeag]

Its possible, but for God's sake give the woman the benefit of the doubt. It's one thing to say you disagree with her or you speculate that he might not have wanted her to do this, but to villify her? It's disgusting.

You are right, she shouldn't be villified. I do think she is surrounding herself with people who are using her.

 

[sodaseller]

We tied our own hands, with three decades of liberal hostility to federal law enforcement and intelligence gathering.

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That's pretty close to the opposite of reality. The libertarian streak of late is mostly on the right, and perhaps the biggest impediment to preventing 9/11, IMO, was hostility to the Clinton Admin's's desire to restrain PGP, which was defeated by hostility from both sides, but more the right

 

[Professor Mouse]

Really, you have lost a child so you can say from experience what a low blow is for grieving mother? How do you know what went through her son's head in his last moments of life?

Attacks on a grieving mother are not smart. If the Bushies keep these type of attacks up, then Bush's approval ratings can only continue to go down.

 

[bsnyder]

Really, you have lost a child so you can say from experience what a low blow is for grieving mother? How do you know what went through her son's head in his last moments of life?

Give me a break. Do you only form opinions on what you've personally experienced?

 

[sodaseller]

It was more than a "culture of secrecy" - there was a statutory "wall" in place that didn't allow information sharing. And thanks to the Clinton DOJ and Jamie Goerlick, that statute was then interpreted to make the wall even higher than intended.

Again, a talking point, but false. You don't understand how those regs worked or why

 

[Charade]

And again, I blame the failures more on a lack of imagination, .

Wasn't Bush quote as saying something like "The terrorist are thinking up new ways to harm the US and so are we". He was lambasted for it. But in all reality, we need people just as "creative" on *our* side.

 

[Charade]

Again, a talking point, but false. You don't understand how those regs worked or why

Do tell. Just how did they work?

 

[bsnyder]

Its possible, but for God's sake give the woman the benefit of the doubt. It's one thing to say you disagree with her or you speculate that he might not have wanted her to do this, but to villify her? It's disgusting.

Oh please. I'm not vilifying her. I've stated in earlier posts that I feel sorry for her. Her grief is obvious, and real. And I'm not speculating that he might not have wanted her to do this....it's there in black and white in the family's comments.

 

[bsnyder]

Do tell. Just how did they work?

Yes, I'm waiting too.

 

[chobie]

Attacks on a grieving mother are not smart. If the Bushies keep these type of attacks up, then Bush's approval ratings can only continue to go down.

Aah yes, the compassionate party. Only the most vile of Republicans could join in on the bashing of a grieving mother.

 

[sodaseller]

They are statutorily mandated guidelines that require walls - the claim that Gorelick or the DOJ created them is false. They came out of the Church Commission, but are really mandated by the CIA's enabling statute preventing domestic work and law enforcement.

The Gorelick diversion was a talking point for the rubes, and it worked

 

[bsnyder]

That's pretty close to the opposite of reality. The libertarian streak of late is mostly on the right, and perhaps the biggest impediment to preventing 9/11, IMO, was hostility to the Clinton Admin's's desire to restrain PGP, which was defeated by hostility from both sides, but more the right

From Wikipedia:

Both conservative and liberal ideologies have civil libertarian adherents, although it must be noted that they are far less likely to be found among conservatives and the religious right. The most prominent civil libertarian organization in the United States is probably the American Civil Liberties Union.

 

[sodaseller]

From Wikipedia:

Do you agree with that statement? Especially in the context noted - the PGP issue and Barr and the like. Look it up

 

[bsnyder]

They are statutorily mandated guidelines that require walls - the claim that Gorelick or the DOJ created them is false. They came out of the Church Commission, but are really mandated by the CIA's enabling statute preventing domestic work and law enforcement.

The Gorelick diversion was a talking point for the rubes, and it worked

Who claimed that that Gorelick or the DOJ created them? Not me.

 

[sodaseller]

Who claimed that that Gorelick or the DOJ created them? Not me.

You said she created the mechanism that prevented the conspiracy from being discovered through sharing - false

 

[bsnyder]

Do you agree with that statement? Especially in the context noted - the PGP issue and Barr and the like. Look it up

With the Wikepedia statement? Yes. And it acknowledges that there are civil libertarians on both sides, Barr being one on the right.

I'm interested in how you see the PGP issue as being perhaps the biggest impediment to preventing 9/11.

 

[bsnyder]

You said she created the mechanism that prevented the conspiracy from being discovered through sharing - false

No, you're misquoting me. I said:

And thanks to the Clinton DOJ and Jamie Goerlick, that statute was then interpreted to make the wall even higher than intended.

 

[sodaseller]

With the Wikepedia statement? Yes. And it acknowledges that there are civil libertarians on both sides, Barr being one on the right.

I'm interested in how you see the PGP issue as being perhaps the biggest impediment to preventing 9/11.

When we now refer to "chatter", what we mean is the volume of encrypted communications that we detect but cannot understand. We cannot understand them because they are encrypted with PGP, which can defeat NSA decryption through algorithms too complex. That's why the Clinton Admin said it was a national security issue to prevent it from getting out. The outcry was from all ovver, but much more so on the right. Civil Libertarian sentiments are much more on the right these days - thw hatred of government