Busdriver Attacked By Guest

[A Mickeyfan]

No, don't cancel your trip no matter what happens. It's not fair to you and your family. Disney incompetents, I mean management, do a lot of stupid things. If they fired him, it's just another one.

You are 100% right.. and if all looked at that way, there would be massive lay-offs for many CM's... and that is something we don't want to see

 

[Disney Von Drake]

Unrelated to topic of the bus driver but I just had to share this with you. One of the BEST character interactions I ever saw was at Park Fare breakfast with characters. Tigger was there. At the table behind us and perhaps a bit to the right was a family with an infant. Not a newborn but certainly not walking, talking, crawling either. Barely able to sit up without all the blankets around her to bolster her up. Cutest thing...anyhoo, along comes Tigger, who took his sweet time with this baby, and it was GLORIOUS. I took pictures!!! With of course parental consent...anyhoo, the baby was a little startled and unsure, and Tigger just hunkered down, started to wave, and soon enough had the baby playing pattycake. And the HUGS and SMILES from that baby!!! So there are many enjoyable moments to be had with infants.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...

You don't need any sort of consent to take pictures of a child in such a situation. There is no legal, moral or custom requirement nor is it a matter of being polite. Common sense would dictate that you turn your flash off rather than blast the eyes of an infant.

 

[DizzDoll]

I did take pictures, but from my table, and without flash (digital camera). I always ask parental permission as a courtesy because I've had people approach my daughter on too numerous to mention occasions and take her picture and she gets uncomfortable. She's an Irish dancer, and has a gorgeous school dress that she wears VERY well, and with her straight hair she looks fabulous. And people like to take her picture. The one time I got rather pissed was when a man took a picture of her from the rear. BIG no-no in my books so I asked him what he was doing. Turned out that he took a picture from the front and wanted one from the back so he'd have the entire dress and was raving about how gorgeous she looks in it. I told him to ask the next time. So that's why I ask permission. It's just a me thing . And that whole interaction was so precious with Tigger...

Back to our discussion...

 

[A Mickeyfan]

You don't need any sort of consent to take pictures of a child in such a situation. There is no legal, moral or custom requirement nor is it a matter of being polite. Common sense would dictate that you turn your flash off rather than blast the eyes of an infant.

I don't understand how you can say it is not a matter of being polite or morally correct. If I saw an adult purposely taking a picture of my child, I would tend to ask them why they just did that. I understand that there are Disney Characters in the picture as well, however it is a matter of being polite to ask, as well as morally correct. You just do not go taking obvious pictures of other's children.. When you say, legal.. I might want to re-think that. The way laws are with perverts & child molesters, you may just qualify for that if you were caught taking pictures of baby's and children without consent.

 

[Zuzu03]

I haven't had a chance to read this whole thread and maybe this has been already said, but DH had a good point. He's a karate instructor (5th degree black belt) and I asked him if he would have done anything in the situation to try to help the bus driver. He said not unless the situation turned dire really quickly because if he had helped him and something horrible happened to the attacker, DH would have been sued so it makes him think twice about "stepping in."

 

[joelkfla]

Yes, I did read post #14 and I did realize that you were quoting it. I guess I was asking the question in relation to that post.
The person that orignally wrote that says they work in bus operatons, but I'm wondering if they really do.

We all know from the news reports that the Sheriff's office was never involved.

I spoke to somebody today who was at the scene, and I now believe that post was a complete fiction. That's just my opinion, and I don't think I can go into any detail.

 

[Pineapple Whip]

If they don't get into any more trouble and don't get into any self defense situations involving violence there, then they may very well get away with visiting Disney again despite having been banned. Otherwise there may be a violation of restraining order, and jail time.

Platescan, banned names database, ID at ticketing, facial recognition, fingerprints... in this day and age, I wouldn't travel there to risk a charge of criminal trespass and dealing with the Sheriff's office unless I had written a formal apology requesting to be allowed back, and received written permission from WDW.

But if you don't want to deal with all that, don't eff around in the first place, and make sure your kids don't eff around.

 

[disneymomma1978]

I don't understand how you can say it is not a matter of being polite or morally correct. If I saw an adult purposely taking a picture of my child, I would tend to ask them why they just did that. I understand that there are Disney Characters in the picture as well, however it is a matter of being polite to ask, as well as morally correct. You just do not go taking obvious pictures of other's children.. When you say, legal.. I might want to re-think that. The way laws are with perverts & child molesters, you may just qualify for that if you were caught taking pictures of baby's and children without consent.

--bolding is mine--
I couldn't agree more with your statement, especially the part I bolded!

 

[PaulaSB12]

I don't understand how you can say it is not a matter of being polite or morally correct. If I saw an adult purposely taking a picture of my child, I would tend to ask them why they just did that. I understand that there are Disney Characters in the picture as well, however it is a matter of being polite to ask, as well as morally correct. You just do not go taking obvious pictures of other's children.. When you say, legal.. I might want to re-think that. The way laws are with perverts & child molesters, you may just qualify for that if you were caught taking pictures of baby's and children without consent.

You are in public with no expectation of privacy. This has nothing to do with perverts and child molesters and a person just taking a picture certainly doesn't qualify as eith of these to any sane person.

 

[disneymomma1978]

You are in public with no expectation of privacy. This has nothing to do with perverts and child molesters and a person just taking a picture certainly doesn't qualify as eith of these to any sane person.

Technically your first sentence is correct. But I don't find it acceptable to be sitting at a table, inside a restaurant, and the people at the table next to me are taking pictures of my daughter. Anyone with common sense and a bit of decency would either not take pics of her or would ask first.

 

[DizzDoll]

I did ask, and I got permission.

 

[disneymomma1978]

I did ask, and I got permission.

I know you did!
My post was not directed towards you but to the OP who mentioned no expectation of privacy in a public place.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

We all know from the news reports that the Sheriff's office was never involved.

I spoke to somebody today who was at the scene, and I now believe that post was a complete fiction. That's just my opinion, and I don't think I can go into any detail.

That is exactly what I thought.. I said it didn't sound right.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

You are in public with no expectation of privacy. This has nothing to do with perverts and child molesters and a person just taking a picture certainly doesn't qualify as eith of these to any sane person.

and where do you think some perps get their child victims at, public places.. not just privately owned places. Do you think that it is impossible for a child molester to be in Disney at any given time, with his camera snapping away "innocently" taking pictures of children.. get real, this can happen. Disney is magical only in the eye of the beholder, it is a real place.. and real things can & do happen. There was a case where a child was held captive in a room at Port Orleans being molested. Disney is a playground for a perp....
There was also a case where a man pulled down a young girls bathing suit at one of the water parks.. again, a public place. No, you don't expect privacy but when one is outwardly taking pictures of your child, you do have to wonder, and question. If someone was doing that to my child, I would report them to the nearest CM and let them handle it. Sorry, but I don't take my children lightly...and I am not a over protective parent. What is mine is mine and unless you ask, you have no business taking a picture of them... simple as that.
What if the "innocent" picture taker was stopped by a CM and it turned out he had various snap shots of children from there through out the day, do you think he is not going to be questioned by the authorities? That is how some get caught.. you just never know..

 

[rebster]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...be-bus-driver-attack-20101014,0,7585871.story

Maybe this has already been posted. I didn't wade through all the posts.

 

[PaulaSB12]

and where do you think some perps get their child victims at, public places.. not just privately owned places. Do you think that it is impossible for a child molester to be in Disney at any given time, with his camera snapping away "innocently" taking pictures of children.. get real, this can happen. Disney is magical only in the eye of the beholder, it is a real place.. and real things can & do happen. There was a case where a child was held captive in a room at Port Orleans being molested. Disney is a playground for a perp....

They can get them anywhere from stills in films to the sears catelogue. This is a more safe time for children than ever before. When I was a kid the only children who where brave enough to say they had been abused where accused of lying. Now you don't get that but people assume that everyone else is a molester. I have to admit to trying to make sure that I don't have anyone else's child in any picture but that is because I have no desire to take any child's pictures but my nephew and nieces.

 

[Disney Von Drake]

and where do you think some perps get their child victims at, public places.. not just privately owned places. Do you think that it is impossible for a child molester to be in Disney at any given time, with his camera snapping away "innocently" taking pictures of children.. get real, this can happen. Disney is magical only in the eye of the beholder, it is a real place.. and real things can & do happen. There was a case where a child was held captive in a room at Port Orleans being molested. Disney is a playground for a perp....
There was also a case where a man pulled down a young girls bathing suit at one of the water parks.. again, a public place. No, you don't expect privacy but when one is outwardly taking pictures of your child, you do have to wonder, and question. If someone was doing that to my child, I would report them to the nearest CM and let them handle it. Sorry, but I don't take my children lightly...and I am not a over protective parent. What is mine is mine and unless you ask, you have no business taking a picture of them... simple as that.
What if the "innocent" picture taker was stopped by a CM and it turned out he had various snap shots of children from there through out the day, do you think he is not going to be questioned by the authorities? That is how some get caught.. you just never know..

By virtue of what authority? You sound as if you've been caught in such a situation.

 

[TisBit]

What if the "innocent" picture taker was stopped by a CM and it turned out he had various snap shots of children from there through out the day, do you think he is not going to be questioned by the authorities? That is how some get caught.. you just never know..

As another poster stated, by what authority and what law would have been broken? Being in Law Enforcement, there must be a law that is broken for anyone to have any ground to stand on when it comes to this type of stuff. If my camera has snapshots of children on it, there is nothing that can be done to me legally, unless those snapshots somehow violate that person privacy (bathrooms, changing rooms, upskirt, etc) and I could only be "asked" to remove them from my camera. As a matter of fact if someone wanted to look at my camera, they could only ask, unless there was some reasonable suspicion that I had done something illegal.

Now, with it being private property, certainly WDW could tell me to leave and that I was not welcome back, but that is it. The police could run my information to check if I was on a sex offender list or on probation/parole, but that is it.

Yes, this is how people get caught and the best part is that most criminals are too stupid not to get caught or implicate themselves and we rely on that to keep the street somewhat safe.

Do I agree or disagree with this, it all depends on perspective. If someone is obviously following my daughter around, sure they would have a parent to deal with. But if they made it illegal to take pictures of others in a public place, we would have to outlaw photography altogether. Go through your picture album and see how many strangers are in your photos.....

 

[disneymomma1978]

You sound as if you've been caught in such a situation.

wow, I hope you didn't mean that the way I'm reading it!

 

[marivaid]

There was a case where a child was held captive in a room at Port Orleans being molested.

If you're referring to the "Disney World Girl", Masha Allen case (where they identified Port Orleans from a photo distributed online), she wasn't technically being "held captive". That child had been legally adopted from overseas, and she was on vacation with her adoptive father, who also happened to be her abuser.

We have drifted faaaaaaaar away from the original discussion.