"Black Lives Matter" - it's stupid. Just cut the crap.....

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He was forced to resign, and look at the video, she kept coming back when she was told to leave. Also, read about Tatiana Rhodes, she was grooming that girl to become a prostitute. She resisted being handcuffed. BLM was there, look it up. They were protesting and the department gave in forcing the officer to resign. Apparently you missed the coverage that showed BLM there, and the fact that the father was on MSNBC with his daughter. Maybe you ought to read what actually happened instead of a video which shows nothing.

That video shows everything. When he snapped at his worst with that girl she was sitting on the ground at that point. His actions were wrong, period. You can blame it on BLM but that just means you are blinded by your own prejudices.
 
I recall that situation quite clearly--and it made international headlines. I am not aware of the BLM organization spefically calling for that officer to be fired, but perhaps they did? Do you have a link?

What i do know is that m any officers wrote about it and MANY stated this person was out of line in how he performed. MANY tha i read (and the few i know personally, all felt tehy did not want to be represented by someone who can snap like that in a nonviolent basic event invovling teens. Were the kids brats? Yes. Would I have nsappedß Probably--but then I am not a police officer for many reasons: I get that he snapped after other hard things on teh job. personally--if you go back and find hte DIS thread here about it, I am almost positive that I did not necesairly think he should be fired (unless there was more history I was unaware of) but that he clearly needed some time off from working with the public, more trianing and that there needs ot be a system for police who have been through such trying daysand need a break to get one BEFORE they snap--he made a bad situation much worse, rather than better, IMO.

Look up articles in June 2015, or put in Black lives matter and McKinney Texas. It is there.
 
I'd love to know how you can possibly know each of those factors predominate this site and would suggest you've displayed an interesting insight into bias right there. Reading quite a few threads here I absolutely find liberal viewpoints strongly represented and supported. Judging by a wide amount of what I've seen on the budget board and theme parks board I'm not so sure a lot of people are in fact middle class. As far as the racial makeup, I'm not always sure about what race someone is unless they specifically identify themselves, which is similar to evaluating gender.

It is definitely predominately female by a wide margin. It really sunk in when I saw a recent custody thread and the first 3 word's were "My daughter's mother" and I must have read just those first words 4 or 5 times trying to figure out how the OP wasn't talking about herself. Felt like an idiot when I realized the obvious - that the OP was a man. ;)
 
That video shows everything. When he snapped at his worst with that girl she was sitting on the ground at that point. His actions were wrong, period. You can blame it on BLM but that just means you are blinded by your own prejudices.

Did he kill anybody? Did he shoot his gun indescriminately? Did he paralyze that girl? As I understand, she had a few bruises. Those young men came up behind him in the video you can see it. That was the only time he took out his gun. BLM claimed he was out of control, but where is the evidence he was out of control? She was resisting being handcuffed, instead of being cooperative she dug in resisting. BLM was there day one, so don't tell me about me being prejudiced or racist. I watched and read about the coverage of McKinney Texas. The hatred that came out of the Black community over what happened was appalling. The articles that kept saying about how history was repeating itself, how Blacks were not allowed to swim in community pools. This was a gated community, with bylaws that home owners have to abide by those laws. The home owner, Tatiana Rhodes didn't ask permission for a pool party. The security guards were the ones who called police. The video doesn't show what exactly happened.
 

Again, a few things about being dismissive.

When people of color are saying that they have been targeted by police and coming back and saying things like, "Well I got stopped for being in an authorized area on a military base," (which is, BTW, a wholly different thing) you are dismissing that this was this person's experience and that it was relevant to them. It is like me saying, "I was diagnosed with cancer, I have 6 months to live," and another person coming back with, "I have high blood pressure, I have to take medicine for the rest of my life." It isn't the same experience, but it is telling the persona that their experiences and emotions regarding it are trivial.

I think that every single person on here, and most in reality believes that there is never an excuse to target police officers. Ever. and that the whack job that did was dead wrong and that killing him was the right answer given the situation. What people are questioning is the use of force, often deadly, in much more questionable situations. The truth of the matter is that black men are, statistically, more likely to be subject to use of force than caucasian men. White people make up 77% of the population, black people 13%. While in sheer number, of course, more white people are shot by the police, but if you look at the percentages in terms of the population, black men vastly outnumber white people.

The difference between how minorities teach their children to interact with the police is this: While all people teach their children to be respectful, as they should, in saying "sir" minorities HAVE to teach their children to ONLY say "yes, sir" and ask for a parent or a lawyer. They have to teach their children to act meek so that they are perceived as less of a threat. This is sad. We should all be able to teach our children that police are helpers. That they are there to protect them, but for minorities it is a sad reality that police officers frequently aren't that.

I think that most people will agree that the majority of police officers aren't overtly racist. They aren't suiting up and saying, "I'm gonna shoot me a {insert racial epithet here} today." I think that what most people are saying is that prejudice is so ingrained in our consciousness that many people automatically see minorities as more of a threat than white people.

People are seeing the #blacklivesmatter slogan as divisive because that is how they want to see it. The sentiment behind that slogan is not that ONLY black lives matter, it is more "Hey, remember, black lives matter, too." Look at it this way. If your child is having trouble with math in school and you hire him a tutor to help him with math, you are not saying that he can forget about English and science, and social studies, you are saying, right now, math needs a little extra work.

As with any movement you are going to have people that take it to the extreme. People who lose control, it just is what it is, unfortunately. I am not condoning it and those people who are violent and destructive should be prosecuted. The reason, though, demonstrations are needed is because minorities have been saying for years, "this is happening, we need to change this." and no one is listening. You can talk all you want, and try to educate, but if people aren't listening and/or arguing that you are wrong, or dismissing your experiences or feelings, it goes nowhere. Demonstrations bring to the public's eye what is going on. Violence is never the answer, but public demonstration has it's place.

There are lots of movements going on in minority communities. Demonstrations to stop gun violence, gun buy back programs, neighborhood watches, block parties to raise funds for crime and gang prevention programs. You don't see these on the national news because news is a for profit thing now and these stories don't rile people up and sell copy or viewership.

The Las Vegas police department went through training as a result of these types of complaints. Incidents of use of force are down 30 some odd percent.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/l...egas-police-shootings-down-department-reforms

The problem is people have to admit there is a problem. Stop looking for excuses or justifications as to why these things are happening and admit, no matter how painful, that these problems exist in our society.

Truthfully, police need to be held to a higher standard. They are charged with the responsibility for people's lives. If you are in the wrong state of mind and you work at a deli, someone gets the wrong sandwich. If you are in the wrong state of mind and you are an officer, someone dies. These things are not equal.
 
It is definitely predominately female by a wide margin. It really sunk in when I saw a recent custody thread and the first 3 word's were "My daughter's mother" and I must have read just those first words 4 or 5 times trying to figure out how the OP wasn't talking about herself. Felt like an idiot when I realized the obvious - that the OP was a man. ;)
And then there's the occasions when, because of our "nicknames", some of us females are assumed to be males! I remember a conversation when someone first discovered I was female. Mid-thread someone was like, "wait...what? I thought you were a guy!"LOL!

And OT, you have me confused too. Your avatar looks like Rothliesburger, but CPanther is Carolina Panthers, yes? So confused....
Unless like NFLders you have nothing to do with football. I still think it's a secret NFL code though, no matter what he says :rolleyes1
 
And then there's the occasions when, because of our "nicknames", some of us females are assumed to be males! I remember a conversation when someone first discovered I was female. Mid-thread someone was like, "wait...what? I thought you were a guy!"LOL!

And OT, you have me confused too. Your avatar looks like Rothliesburger, but CPanther is Carolina Panthers, yes? So confused....
Unless like NFLders you have nothing to do with football. I still think it's a secret NFL code though, no matter what he says :rolleyes1

The Panthers part is the Pitt Panthers, the 95 was my number. My screen name predates Carolina having a team. If I'd had known, I would have changed it up.

What complicates matters further is I ended up moving from PA to Charlotte. :)
 
Here in Boston two groups of BLM protesters chained themselves onto concrete barriers in the middle of the main highways - north and south - into Boston during rush hour traffic. (I remember it well because I was stuck in it myself.) Thousands of people had their mornings disrupted - many were late for medical appointments and work, some missed funerals, etc. One elderly man who was being transported by ambulance into a Boston Level 1 Trauma Center with life threatening injuries had to be re-routed to a non-Boston hospital, potentially affecting his very survival - his daughters later asked if his life mattered, too. Anyway, when sentencing time came, guess what - they got no jail time despite a recommendation of 90 days by prosecutors, and offered no apology or remorse. Their statements indicated they cared only about one thing: their own agenda.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo.../no_jail_time_no_apology_from_i_93_protesters
 
Did he kill anybody? Did he shoot his gun indescriminately? Did he paralyze that girl? As I understand, she had a few bruises. Those young men came up behind him in the video you can see it. That was the only time he took out his gun. BLM claimed he was out of control, but where is the evidence he was out of control? She was resisting being handcuffed, instead of being cooperative she dug in resisting. BLM was there day one, so don't tell me about me being prejudiced or racist. I watched and read about the coverage of McKinney Texas. The hatred that came out of the Black community over what happened was appalling. The articles that kept saying about how history was repeating itself, how Blacks were not allowed to swim in community pools. This was a gated community, with bylaws that home owners have to abide by those laws. The home owner, Tatiana Rhodes didn't ask permission for a pool party. The security guards were the ones who called police. The video doesn't show what exactly happened.


Are you talking about the idiot that SAT ON A CHILD????? Yes, he was out of control and he deserved to be fired. Funny how the other officerside involved managed to remain in control during the whole ugly event.
 
Here in Boston two groups of BLM protesters chained themselves onto concrete barriers in the middle of the main highways - north and south - into Boston during rush hour traffic. (I remember it well because I was stuck in it myself.) Thousands of people had their mornings disrupted - many were late for medical appointments and work, some missed funerals, etc. One elderly man who was being transported by ambulance into a Boston Level 1 Trauma Center with life threatening injuries had to be re-routed to a non-Boston hospital, potentially affecting his very survival - his daughters later asked if his life mattered, too. Anyway, when sentencing time came, guess what - they got no jail time despite a recommendation of 90 days by prosecutors, and offered no apology or remorse. Their statements indicated they cared only about one thing: their own agenda.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo.../no_jail_time_no_apology_from_i_93_protesters

They really cared more about their own immediate gratification than they did their agenda. If they truly cared about the stated agenda, they wouldn't take actions that not only make people disregard what they are saying, they cause many to actively work against their agenda.
 
As with any movement you are going to have people that take it to the extreme. People who lose control, it just is what it is, unfortunately. I am not condoning it and those people who are violent and destructive should be prosecuted. The reason, though, demonstrations are needed is because minorities have been saying for years, "this is happening, we need to change this." and no one is listening. You can talk all you want, and try to educate, but if people aren't listening and/or arguing that you are wrong, or dismissing your experiences or feelings, it goes nowhere. Demonstrations bring to the public's eye what is going on. Violence is never the answer, but public demonstration has it's place.
I'm all for public demonstration, been to a few myself, but never violent. That is counter productive, I'm sorry. I still think they need to take a page from MLK and sign his commitment card before engaging in any protests. Look what he accomplished! Was he perfect? Nope. But he tried, and he knew the way to get the things done that needed to be done HAD to be done peacefully or it would never work. They would be dismissed as radicals and violent and dismissed as "see, we were right" by those who tried to keep segregation in place. I don't understand why his practices aren't adopted.
 
The Panthers part is the Pitt Panthers, the 95 was my number. My screen name predates Carolina having a team. If I'd had known, I would have changed it up.

What complicates matters further is I ended up moving from PA to Charlotte. :)
Gotcha! I'll probably forget and still think you're a confused Panther fan though:rotfl2: Never played pro?
 
There's no way you can think the DIS( a predominantly white, middle class, conservative group) is representative of how the rest of the country views this.

I would venture to say the Dis - predominantly female & heavily East Coast - leans left rather than right.

And who's to say what version is most believed?
 
Did he kill anybody? Did he shoot his gun indescriminately? Did he paralyze that girl? As I understand, she had a few bruises. Those young men came up behind him in the video you can see it. That was the only time he took out his gun. BLM claimed he was out of control, but where is the evidence he was out of control? She was resisting being handcuffed, instead of being cooperative she dug in resisting. BLM was there day one, so don't tell me about me being prejudiced or racist. I watched and read about the coverage of McKinney Texas. The hatred that came out of the Black community over what happened was appalling. The articles that kept saying about how history was repeating itself, how Blacks were not allowed to swim in community pools. This was a gated community, with bylaws that home owners have to abide by those laws. The home owner, Tatiana Rhodes didn't ask permission for a pool party. The security guards were the ones who called police. The video doesn't show what exactly happened.

So you are saying that it is okay for police to use excessive force as long as they don't cause death or permanent or serious injury?

It is okay for police officers to be out of control, as long as their lack of control doesn't cause death or permanent or serious injury?

Why are you continually looking for justification for all police actions?

Police are people. Some are great, most are good, a few are bad and a few are incompetent. Police are NOT above the law. Actually, because they are charged to uphold the law, they should be held at a higher standard.
 
I'm all for public demonstration, been to a few myself, but never violent. That is counter productive, I'm sorry. I still think they need to take a page from MLK and sign his commitment card before engaging in any protests. Look what he accomplished! Was he perfect? Nope. But he tried, and he knew the way to get the things done that needed to be done HAD to be done peacefully or it would never work. They would be dismissed as radicals and violent and dismissed as "see, we were right" by those who tried to keep segregation in place. I don't understand why his practices aren't adopted.

I agree with you 100%. Gandhi changed a nation without lifting a finger in anger. MLK made many many strides doing the same. I do believe that violence has no place, to quote Gandhi himself, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

But remember, even in the MLK civil rights era there were organizations who broke off and advocated violence. The Nation of Islam, comes to mind. They are listed by The Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. FTR the Dallas shooter was said to have been reading a lot of Nation of Islam material prior to the shooting.
 
Are you talking about the idiot that SAT ON A CHILD????? Yes, he was out of control and he deserved to be fired. Funny how the other officerside involved managed to remain in control during the whole ugly event.

How was he out of control? Sitting on someone who is resisting being handcuffed is not out of control. For about 10 minutes he was the only officer on the scene. Read about it, find out what was going on before you make a judgement like that.
 
But remember, even in the MLK civil rights era there were organizations who broke off and advocated violence. The Nation of Islam, comes to mind. They are listed by The Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. FTR the Dallas shooter was said to have been reading a lot of Nation of Islam material prior to the shooting.
Yes, but I believe he denounced them loudly and they were widely known to be separate. BLM doesn't seem to do this.

And good Lord, don't go there (the bolded) or this thread will spiral out so fast and get shut down!
 
Again, a few things about being dismissive.

I am a middle class white male living in an area that is about 98% white. I have no idea what it's like to be an urban black youth. But I can give one example of a story told to me by my white son:

My son and some of his friends were walking around a nearby "outside mall". A woman had complained to a police officer that somebody stole her phone. The police officer stopped and talked to only one of my son's friends: the African-American teen that was walking with them. None of these kids were doing anything wrong, and the boy in question didn't have the phone.
 
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