Bin Laden - celebrations

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have read plenty threads on the Dis where people have had very strong opinions about celebrations in the far East. I guess people in the US shouldn´t voice there opinions on those celebrations according to your reasoning?

I just don't see the need to comment in this case.

If you wish to apply my reasoning to other circumstances, you may.

But Al Quaida (sp?) celebrating 9/11 is NOT the same as Americans celebrating the capture/execution of a murderer.

You cited that those two celebrations were no different. I vehemently disagree.

What purpose does it serve for you to complain? You can say how you understand until you are blue in the face, but everyone is different and some people rejoice when justice was served.

So unless you are reasoning that 9/11 was justice for American government action in prior decades and the folks still should not have celebrated the carnage--we are talking apples and oranges and no, my statement would not apply to the celebrations of the death of innocent people.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

If the American Army had killed Hitler would it have been wrong for Europenans to be dancing in the street?

Sorry if you kill almost 3,000 Americans you can expect us to be dancing in the street when your time comes.

I'm amazed that anyone begrudges the celebration of the death of a man who caused so much pain to so many.

Our area got hit pretty hard so maybe I'm just taking this more personally.

 

[Aisling]

Cut it out. She's entitled to her opionion. Why does it bother everyone so much that some people find the celebrating a bit macabre?

I find it macabre, too. BUT my patriotism is all riled up over this and having someone living in Iceland with no way to understand us to be criticizing us has gotten to me in a big way.

 

[eliza61]

Maybe we should send flowers to his wife, you know, send our condolences.



Oh wait, he used her as a human shield to try and save himself.




Never mind........

yes, please never mind.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Of course you can be proud! I think you should be proud!
And believe me, I have seen the price of gas. I pay twice what you pay and our currency has dropped 50% in 3 years (which means that all imported goods are twice as expensive as they were).

When i hear/read that people should not celebrate--the only celebrations that have seen/heard are the gathering of students in front of the white house, the baseball game and the chants of USA, and the site of the twin towers.

I cannot fathom why folks are finding fault with that. It boggles my mind.

 

[snapppyd]

I don't care about the other countries. We're discussing America.

where over 3,000 people died in one day

 

[Freyja]

So we come full circle. It is just like your ignorance on our feelings over Bin Laden's death. I'm not saying you are stupid, or not smart. I have read your posts for years and you seem like a very nice and smart person. But, when it comes to an actual understanding of our feelings from that day as Americans you are ignorant. Not because you are dumb (because you are not) but, because you simply weren't here and you're not an American. So, you can't help but be anything but ignorant of the impact it has on us as citizens. For the first time in a long long time it made us all feel connected. Whether we had similar lives, or similar political or religious beliefs made no difference. On 9/11 we were all the same....Americans. And now years later we have a sense of that same feeling again.

It is ok if you can't understand the feeling. It is ok if it bothers you. But, you have to understand that it is upsetting to hear someone who is not an American, admonishing us for celebrating the riddance of someone who was pure evil. Someone who caused events that shook us to the core and killed nearly 3,000 of our citizens.

We can't possibly expect you to know exactly how we feel. So, we just ask for a little patience and a little compassion.

I actually think this is a great response! Don´t agree with all of this but think it is well said.
I have a lot of compassion for your country, I really do! And I´m not trying to tell anyone how to feel or how not to feel. I´m just telling you how I feel about it.

 

[Aisling]

So we come full circle. It is just like your ignorance on our feelings over Bin Laden's death.
We can't possibly expect you to know exactly how we feel. So, we just ask for a little patience and a little compassion.

OMG thank you!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CaliforniaDreamin]

I don't care about the other countries. We're discussing America.

Yes we are. Other countries, other than the UK, are irrelevant in this discussion. We are not saying Iceland doesn't matter. BUT, as far as terror attacks, Iceland has no reason to be brought into a discussion about what OBL did.

 

[eliza61]

I find it macabre, too. BUT my patriotism is all riled up over this and having someone living in Iceland with no way to understand us to be criticizing us has gotten to me in a big way.

No ones criticizing (I'll go back to reread though). I live about uptown from ground zero and I found the parties distasteful. does that mean I'm not patriotic?

 

[jaminmd]

Cut it out. She's entitled to her opionion. Why does it bother everyone so much that some people find the celebrating a bit macabre? I celebrate sports, weddings, birthdays and such. I can not celebrate death although I admit that this death gave me some relief. It's a first for me and it's confusing. I can celebrate a life that is finished, drink at a wake, dance at a funeral to honor the dead. For me, its not the right thing to do to party in the streets on this occassion-for me.. I find it a bit crass as a very public celebration although I understand that those who lost so much might want to do it and I would not try to stop them.

Why do you care if they celebrate? You lectured me in a previous post & I never had a chance to reply. I haven't watched the news so I haven't seen one celebration, nor do I have an opinion on it if it's right or wrong. My point is even though some who lost loved ones may feel this celebrating is wrong, there's a whole group who don't.

If Americans want to celebrate his death, have at it. Terrorists will hate us no matter what we do.

 

[Harley Quinn]

So we come full circle. It is just like your ignorance on our feelings over Bin Laden's death. I'm not saying you are stupid, or not smart. I have read your posts for years and you seem like a very nice and smart person. But, when it comes to an actual understanding of our feelings from that day as Americans you are ignorant. Not because you are dumb (because you are not) but, because you simply weren't here and you're not an American. So, you can't help but be anything but ignorant of the impact it has on us as citizens. For the first time in a long long time it made us all feel connected. Whether we had similar lives, or similar political or religious beliefs made no difference. On 9/11 we were all the same....Americans. And now years later we have a sense of that same feeling again.

It is ok if you can't understand the feeling. It is ok if it bothers you. But, you have to understand that it is upsetting to hear someone who is not an American, admonishing us for celebrating the riddance of someone who was pure evil. Someone who caused events that shook us to the core and killed nearly 3,000 of our citizens.

We can't possibly expect you to know exactly how we feel. So, we just ask for a little patience and a little compassion.

The bits in bold, what a lovely way of putting it. Thank you for putting it in a way that an non American could understand.

 

[Mermaid02]

Cut it out. She's entitled to her opionion. Why does it bother everyone so much that some people find the celebrating a bit macabre? I celebrate sports, weddings, birthdays and such. I can not celebrate death although I admit that this death gave me some relief. It's a first for me and it's confusing. I can celebrate a life that is finished, drink at a wake, dance at a funeral to honor the dead. For me, its not the right thing to do to party in the streets on this occassion-for me.. I find it a bit crass as a very public celebration although I understand that those who lost so much might want to do it and I would not try to stop them.

Are you going to scold everyone or just me?

I haven't gone out dancing.... I went to work.... BUT I feel good today... there's one less evil, soul less monster in the world tonight.

 

[CaliforniaDreamin]

No ones criticizing (I'll go back to reread though). I live about uptown from ground zero and I found the parties distasteful. does that mean I'm not patriotic?

Of course not.

 

[GinnyEmma]

Wow. How incredibly ignorant. You think people don´t have opinions just because the people you know don´t know more about it? Believe me, people in Britain and Holland for example most have lots of opinions on various issues that have been going on here in the past few years.

lol, so you post opinions based on media and minimal visits, and friends of friends, but offended when someone else does the same to you? You like hearing opinions about your country. I gave one. You don't like it?

 

[Freyja]

I just don't see the need to comment in this case.

If you wish to apply my reasoning to other circumstances, you may.

But Al Quaida (sp?) celebrating 9/11 is NOT the same as Americans celebrating the capture/execution of a murderer.

You cited that those two celebrations were no different. I vehemently disagree.

What purpose does it serve for you to complain? You can say how you understand until you are blue in the face, but everyone is different and some people rejoice when justice was served.

So unless you are reasoning that 9/11 was justice for American government action in prior decades and the folks still should not have celebrated the carnage--we are talking apples and oranges and no, my statement would not apply to the celebrations of the death of innocent people.

I´m not complaining. I´m voicing my opinion. Not telling you what to do nor telling you how to feel.

If the American Army had killed Hitler would it have been wrong for Europenans to be dancing in the street?

Sorry if you kill almost 3,000 Americans you can expect us to be dancing in the street when your time comes.

I'm amazed that anyone begrudges the celebration of the death of a man who caused so much pain to so many.

Our area got hit pretty hard so maybe I'm just taking this more personally.

Yes, I feel it would have been wrong.
I keep hearing people on the news say "Justice has been done". Do you really feel that killing Obama is justice for the 3000 lives that were lost?

 

[eliza61]

Let me start by saying how happy I am that Bin Laden was caught. I think it´s amazing that the US Army was able to find him after all these years!
BUT....and yes, there is a but, I am disgusted by the celebrations in the streets. Just as much as I was disgusted by seeing muslim celebrations after 9/11.

This does not sound like a criticism about Americans. This sounds exactly what it is AN OPINION.

 

[FireDancer]

But Al Quaida (sp?) celebrating 9/11 is NOT the same as Americans celebrating the capture/execution of a murderer.

You cited that those two celebrations were no different. I vehemently disagree.

There is a huge difference between celebrating the death of an admitted killer and celebrating that killers actions while hoping he kills more people.

No one here, at least not that I saw, were in the streets burning Pakistani or Saudi flags or firing AK47's into the air. We weren't chanting for the slaughter of innocent people or hoping for civilian deaths. We were celebrating the death of one man who admitted he committed the crimes he was accused of.

This is a win for the US and for everyone who Osama targeted and lets remember that just as often as not those targets were other Muslims.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting to celebrate but there is no reason to tell other people that they shouldn't. I have not yet once seen anyone say that everyone should be out in the streets lighting off fireworks and turning over cars.

ETA: Being outside you just don't know what it feels like here just like even though I am a US citizen I don't know what it feels like to be a 9/11 widow or orphan and can't tell you how they feel today. It was my generation's Pearl Harbor. It change our world. Pearl Harbor was a tragedy not only because of the people who died that day but because of all the death that followed. 9/11 wasn't just about the 3,000 people that died that day but about how we have had to change our lives because of it.

 

[Mermaid02]

I´m not complaining. I´m voicing my opinion. Not telling you what to do nor telling you how to feel.



Yes, I feel it would have been wrong.
I keep hearing people on the news say "Justice has been done". Do you really feel that killing Obama is justice for the 3000 lives that were lost?

It's the best we can get.... there is NOTHING that can be done to "make up" for what he has done.... but that doesn't mean we should DO NOTHING.

 

[Goofyluver]

Whoa! Come home from work and every thread on the CB is about Bin Laden.

I don't begrudge anyone their celebrations. I have a sense of relief that this horrible man is dead, absolutely.

Personally, I'll celebrate when the wars we're fighting come to an end. I don't see Bin Laden's death as a game changer or as an end to terror, nor do I think most folks do around here.

I understand the joy some folks feel at the death of this terrorist. I just wish this was some sort of end to...well, anything.

I think folks can be happy Bin Laden's dead without feeling the need to celebrate.

There's no right or wrong reaction here.