Bin Laden - celebrations

[Freyja]

no, there is a wrong here- comparing those animals celebrating in the streets when over 3000 innocent men, women and children were murdered to American's celebrtaing the fact the man responsible was finally face to face with the smoking barrel of justice.

According to the reasoning that has been used here, there is no way for you to understand how those people in the middle East felt and what they had been through, since you didn´t live through it yourself. So I guess you really shouldn´t have an opinion about it either.

 

[GinnyEmma]

I think being an American DOES give you that emotional right.

A differing opinion.

Exactly.

 

[SaraJayne]

No ones criticizing (I'll go back to reread though). I live about uptown from ground zero and I found the parties distasteful. does that mean I'm not patriotic?

According to some, yes.

Freyja, as I'm sure you're well aware, Americans are notoriously ethnocentric.

I enjoy hearing a non-American point of view. Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[WDSearcher]

Yes we are. Other countries, other than the UK, are irrelevant in this discussion. We are not saying Iceland doesn't matter. BUT, as far as terror attacks, Iceland has no reason to be brought into a discussion about what OBL did.

... provided you know for certain that no one from Iceland died on 9/11. There were a lot of foreign banks with offices at the WTC -- who's to say that some Icelandic nationals didn't die that day? Not everyone who worked in the WTC was an American citizen. It was, after all, the World Trade Center.

There's a US naval base in Iceland that has supplied personnel and services to Americans and allies fighting in Afghanistan. It's an American base, but Iceland certainly plays a role in supporting the American families who live there. Iceland is a member of NATO, and members of Icelandic peace-keeping forces have been deployed in Afghanistan via both the Viking Squad and Icelandic Crisis Response. Some have been wounded in suicide attacks in Kabul and other areas.

So while Iceland may not have had terrorist attacks on their soil, they are a part of this, as is every other country who has provided aid, personnel or armies toward the effort since 9/11.

 

[Aisling]

Nice way to debate a topic, huh!

Freyja, I swear I'm thisclose to not going out to the park and I NEED my jog! I'm really going now, taking the dog, too. This topic gets too heated for the Dis board. I'd love to be in a respectful debate with you but this really isn't the place because the mods don't allow debates. No offense meant to you, I really do have to go! Good evening, truly.

 

[Freyja]

... provided you know for certain that no one from Iceland died on 9/11. There were a lot of foreign banks with offices at the WTC -- who's to say that some Icelandic nationals didn't die that day? Not everyone who worked in the WTC was an American citizen. It was, after all, the World Trade Center.

There's a US naval base in Iceland that has supplied personnel and services to Americans and allies fighting in Afghanistan. It's an American base, but Iceland certainly plays a role in supporting the American families who live there. Iceland is a member of NATO, and members of Icelandic peace-keeping forces have been deployed in Afghanistan via both the Viking Squad and Icelandic Crisis Response. Some have been wounded in suicide attacks in Kabul and other areas.

So while Iceland may not have had terrorist attacks on their soil, they are a part of this, as is every other country who has provided aid, personnel or armies toward the effort since 9/11.

 

[eliza61]

I think being an American DOES give you that emotional right.

A differing opinion.

Exactly.

Naw, I think it gives us more of an emotional connection but every one is entitled and has the right to their feelings.

are you saying that only Americans should be able to say how they feel about bin ladens death?

 

[princessmom29]

I don't understand why, but I cried too.




Actually CNN was reporting tonight that that information was wrong. It wasn't his wife and the woman was not being used as a shield.

It seems like the "facts" are slowing coming out.

MSNBC and others are saying the what CNN is saying is NOT correct. I have seen direct quotes from eywitnesses that say he DID in fact use the woman as a shield. Wether she was a wife are not has not been determined, but I don't doubt for a minute she was used as a shield.

 

[Angelhalo]

According to the reasoning that has been used here, there is no way for you to understand how those people in the middle East felt and what they had been through, since you didn´t live through it yourself. So I guess you really shouldn´t have an opinion about it either.

It may sound bizarre but on some degree, I agree with this. We have no idea the lives that those people have led or the things that they have been taught or brainwashed to believe about us. If you have no interaction with an entire population of people, it is easier for you to believe whatever someone else teaches you about them. I hesitate to judge them not only because I am a Christian but also because I know that they have been lied too and they believe what they have been taught.

I absolutely cannot understand what they were/are feeling.

 

[luvmy3]

According to the reasoning that has been used here, there is no way for you to understand how those people in the middle East felt and what they had been through, since you didn´t live through it yourself. So I guess you really shouldn´t have an opinion about it either.

There is nothing to understand, they celebrated 3000+ innocent people being murdered. It doesn't matter how they felt, its just wrong, at least to any person with a conscience, or a heart for that matter. Thats the reason it disgusts me when people compare what and why they were celebrating in the streets and what and why we Americans are. Maybe you not being an American makes you not able to understand that, but you are a human so I don't really know what your excuse is.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

Let me start by saying how happy I am that Bin Laden was caught. I think it´s amazing that the US Army was able to find him after all these years!
BUT....and yes, there is a but, I am disgusted by the celebrations in the streets. Just as much as I was disgusted by seeing muslim celebrations after 9/11.

I agree with you.

 

[penn19]

Lol, that would be similar if people actually had opinions about your country. Most people I know who visit think it is cold and pretty. Not much else is ever heard about it. Pretty easy to have a cavalier attitude.

And THIS is why "we" get the ugly American reputation.

 

[Angelhalo]

And THIS is why "we" get the ugly American reputation.

Agreed. It is important to remember that we do not ALL feel this way.

 

[Freyja]

And THIS is why "we" get the ugly American reputation.

Sadly, yes!

 

[SaraJayne]

And THIS is why "we" get the ugly American reputation.

There have been many posts today that would fit in the "ugly American" category.

 

[Freyja]

Agreed. It is important to remember that we do not ALL feel this way.

I know you don´t all feel this way! Otherwise I wouldn´t hang out on the Dis all the time, and spend most of my money in the US, lol.

 

[FireDancer]

According to the reasoning that has been used here, there is no way for you to understand how those people in the middle East felt and what they had been through, since you didn´t live through it yourself. So I guess you really shouldn´t have an opinion about it either.

You can dislike a country's foreign policy without wishing their citizens dead. I often disagree with our foreign policy but I'm not going to show that disagreement by killing people let alone people who have no say in that policy. No matter what country you are talking about the people and the government are not the same thing and anyone with the intelligence of a ten year old surely realizes this no matter where in the world they live.

I disagree with the foreign and domestic policies of many countries in that region of the world but I would not celebrate in the streets if an office building full of civilians in Egypt or Palestine or Saudi Arabia is blown up by terrorists. If Timothy McVeigh had blown up an office building full of civilians in Tel Aviv or Islamabad as opposed to Oklahoma City I would be ashamed and would want him brought to justice as much as the people of Israel or Pakistan would.

 

[RayaniFoxmur]

... provided you know for certain that no one from Iceland died on 9/11. There were a lot of foreign banks with offices at the WTC -- who's to say that some Icelandic nationals didn't die that day? Not everyone who worked in the WTC was an American citizen. It was, after all, the World Trade Center.

You made me look this up out of morbid curiosity. This is what I found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks#By_the_numbers

 

[WDSearcher]

There is nothing to understand, they celebrated 3000+ innocent people being murdered. It doesn't matter how they felt, its just wrong, at least to any person with a conscience, or a heart for that matter. Thats the reason it disgusts me when people compare what and why they were celebrating in the streets and what and why we Americans are.

Who are "they"? Are you saying that every single person in the country celebrated? You're dumping everyone in wherever "they" are into one group.

There's a huge group of people in the world who have grown up learning to hate Americans. They hate us for our way of thinking, for our wealth, for our resources, for our freedoms ... and they do so because it is how they were taught. But there are also many people in those same countries who feel very differently. They are the people who are risking their lives to help the American-led effort.

My guess is that there were a lot of Americans in the 1940s celebrating every victory in Germany. And that a lot of Americans celebrated Japan's surrender. Those Americans were celebrating tens of thousands of innocent people being murdered by bombs that American planes dropped. Those bombs dropped on Berlin didn't just hit the bad guys, you know. Women, children, old folks, innocents died as Americans celebrated each victory. Hiroshima alone is responsible for more deaths of innocent people than 9/11 was. And "we Americans" celebrated with parties and parades.

 

[SaraJayne]

Six people with Icelandic citizenship died on 9/11.