Bin Laden - celebrations

[Big Cuddly Bear]

I'm fine with the celebrations. I only wish I had been the one to end his life.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Why do you assume that just because I have never lived in the US I don´t know any Americans? My dad lived in the US, so did my aunt and my cousin. My aunts FIL died in Vietnam, when his son (my cousins father) was a very young boy.
My cousin has lived in the US for many years now and I have visited w. her and her family. I have friends living in many places of the US, some of them in NYC.

I don't think the poster meant any ill will.

I do not know your living history, we just know that you currently reside in Iceland. You are not happy with Americans that are celebrating. (or anyone else around the world I would imagine)

The problem is, that someone might take offense (as that poster did) because it seems that you, as someone from Iceland, are telling Americans how they should or should not behave.

Many people celebrating are feeling a sense of patriotism and those that do and are told or hear that it was inappropriate or wrong probably are not going to take too that opinion too lightly from someone not in America.

Now--I don't feel this way because of where you are from. It does just seem that folks feel they must share that they feel it is wrong as though them sharing is some how correct.

That being said, my UK relatives are thrilled for the US and were "cheering" along with "us".


I just don't see the need to call people out on their celebrations. If you feel it is inappropriate, then do not partake, regardless of where in the world (general) you might live.

To me--while it doesn't bring back the deceased, there is something rewarding about finally getting the person who caused that death. I have never lost anyone personally to murder and hope that I never do.

When justice is served, people celebrate in many ways.

OBL's peeps were not celebrating "justice" on 9/11. They were celebrating the death and destruction of freedom and all that it represents.

 

[princessmom29]

You're not understanding. There are millions of Americans who live no where near Ground Zero and don't know anyone connected with 9-11, BUT it still affected them directly! We were in a state of panic. What was done to us here goes much deeper than you having family and friends who've lived here. Please try to see.

You are exactly right. Unless you live here, you just cannot grasp the emotion involved. My Dad was in the air that day, and for a long time we didn't know if he was on one of those flights. Unless you experienced it with us and have dealt with the consequences since you don't and simply cannot understand.

 

[Freyja]

Lol, that would be similar if people actually had opinions about your country. Most people I know who visit think it is cold and pretty. Not much else is ever heard about it. Pretty easy to have a cavalier attitude.

Wow. How incredibly ignorant. You think people don´t have opinions just because the people you know don´t know more about it? Believe me, people in Britain and Holland for example most have lots of opinions on various issues that have been going on here in the past few years.

 

[IdesOmarch]

Let me start by saying how happy I am that Bin Laden was caught. I think it´s amazing that the US Army was able to find him after all these years!
BUT....and yes, there is a but, I am disgusted by the celebrations in the streets. Just as much as I was disgusted by seeing muslim celebrations after 9/11.

That would actually be the U.S.Navy.

 

[Freyja]

I don't think the poster meant any ill will.

I do not know your living history, we just know that you currently reside in Iceland. You are not happy with Americans that are celebrating. (or anyone else around the world I would imagine)

The problem is, that someone might take offense (as that poster did) because it seems that you, as someone from Iceland, are telling Americans how they should or should not behave.

Many people celebrating are feeling a sense of patriotism and those that do and are told or hear that it was inappropriate or wrong probably are not going to take too that opinion too lightly from someone not in America.

Now--I don't feel this way because of where you are from. It does just seem that folks feel they must share that they feel it is wrong as though them sharing is some how correct.

That being said, my UK relatives are thrilled for the US and were "cheering" along with "us".


I just don't see the need to call people out on their celebrations. If you feel it is inappropriate, then do not partake, regardless of where in the world (general) you might live.

To me--while it doesn't bring back the deceased, there is something rewarding about finally getting the person who caused that death. I have never lost anyone personally to murder and hope that I never do.

When justice is served, people celebrate in many ways.

OBL's peeps were not celebrating "justice" on 9/11. They were celebrating the death and destruction of freedom and all that it represents.

I have read plenty threads on the Dis where people have had very strong opinions about celebrations in the far East. I guess people in the US shouldn´t voice there opinions on those celebrations according to your reasoning?

 

[Aisling]

Wow. How incredibly ignorant. You think people don´t have opinions just because the people you know don´t know more about it? Believe me, people in Britain and Holland for example most have lots of opinions on various issues that have been going on here in the past few years.

I'd love to visit Iceland. It's a beautiful country. But let's get real. I watch the news every day and I can't remember the last time they reported on something about Iceland. Your country is just not discussed here, unless it has to do with vacations. I know for a fact that the USA is mentioned on your news every day in some manner.

 

[Freyja]

I'd love to visit Iceland. It's a beautiful country. But let's get real. I watch the news every day and I can't remember the last time they reported on something about Iceland. Your country is just not discussed here, unless it has to do with vacations. I know for a fact that the USA is mentioned on your news every day in some manner.

I hate to bring it to you, but there are other countries in the world besides the USA!

 

[Mickeyistheman]

When I heard that we had got him, my first reaction was disbelief actually, then when I put on the news I cried for a long time.

I wanted to go to Ground Zero because I wanted to sing our National Anthem and cry with others that were there that I am sure were also emotional.

Why can't we be proud about what happened. I think the MEDIA is portraying it wrong, but why can't we celebrate about this man being caught?

We are still feeling the backlash of what happened 10 years later, Hello do you see the price of gas, we are involved in 2 wars, soon to be only one thank goodness.

My brother who is a Marine, called me and was excited and shocked just as I was, but celebrate is not the right word. Last night we came together as a Nation and hugged and high fived and felt alive again.

We have had so much bad news day after day after day. This was for us, This was for those that lost their lives on that day for all of our Troops that gave the ULTIMATE sacrafice and the families who maybe now can rest and be at peace knowing we caught this man and yes he is dead.

We have a dress code at work and have uniforms, I wore my Red Shirt and Mickey Mouse USA pin today and my American Flag Earings because I again was proud of my country, Troops and President.

 

[Cinderella94]

I hate to bring it to you, but there are other countries in the world besides the USA!

No one said there weren't. This particular discussion just pertained to the USA.

 

[LaraK]

I have read plenty threads on the Dis where people have had very strong opinions about celebrations in the far East. I guess people in the US shouldn´t voice there opinions on those celebrations according to your reasoning?

Apples and oranges. People feeling relief for finally ending the mastermind behind the terrorist attacks on 9-11 is very different than people demonstrating in the streets demanding that the "infidels" be killed.

Personally, I didn't have the urge to go out and celebrate...I actually am kind of sad today because this brought back a lot of really bad memories. Memories that I agree you have to have been a part of to really understand. That said, those who expressed their satisfaction that that murderous ******* is dead in the street have genuine emotions I have no problem with.

I have a cousin who worked ground zero for months. For months he sifted through the rubble looking for bone fragments...he wants to dance in the street, he has that right.

 

[snapppyd]

Maybe we should send flowers to his wife, you know, send our condolences.



Oh wait, he used her as a human shield to try and save himself.




Never mind........

 

[shortbun]

Of course. My mistake.

Is there a fund where we can donate to Bin Laden's family??

Cut it out. She's entitled to her opionion. Why does it bother everyone so much that some people find the celebrating a bit macabre? I celebrate sports, weddings, birthdays and such. I can not celebrate death although I admit that this death gave me some relief. It's a first for me and it's confusing. I can celebrate a life that is finished, drink at a wake, dance at a funeral to honor the dead. For me, its not the right thing to do to party in the streets on this occassion-for me.. I find it a bit crass as a very public celebration although I understand that those who lost so much might want to do it and I would not try to stop them.

 

[Aisling]

I hate to bring it to you, but there are other countries in the world besides the USA!

I don't care about the other countries. We're discussing America.

 

[eliza61]

I'd love to visit Iceland. It's a beautiful country. But let's get real. I watch the news every day and I can't remember the last time they reported on something about Iceland. Your country is just not discussed here, unless it has to do with vacations. I know for a fact that the USA is mentioned on your news every day in some manner.

but that's because the American Media stinks. WE rarely if ever report on much that doesn't have to do with America. Maybe on some of the nightly news you'll get coverage of a war zone or some thing but that's pretty much it.
We have a very "isolated" view of the world especially before the net became popular.

For the record, I am a born and bred New yorker and I thought the celebrations were too much also. I understood the emotion behind them but I definitely did not think it was a cause for celebration.

 

[krcit]

The 'celebrations'' I have seen have been impromptu chants of "USA, USA" minutes after hearing the news that the evil mastermind behind the deaths of thousands of innocent people was found and killed. Picture being in Times Square and word comes over the ticker that Bin Laden is dead. People reacted and it was contagious. I can see why some people would find it distasteful but I can also appreciate the joy that this monster is gone. People began singing patriotic songs to show their love of our country and our military. I, for one, broke into a big smile when I saw the news. I am glad that he is dead. For my friend who lost her father, my friend who lost her sister, my friend who lost 2 brothers and a brother-in-law, the kids in my town who lost their dads, the 2 high school friends of mine who died. For my brother who spent weeks at Ground Zero in the rescue effort, for my firefighter friend who went to 100 funerals for his co-workers and brothers and will never be the same, for my cousin who escaped the 2cnd tower(FDNY) and for all the innocent people who did nothing except go to work or get on a plane, I am so glad that he is dead and I hope that they find some peace.

 

[peaceluv&mickeymouse]

I'm glad he is dead. I don't have any problem with the celebrations. I see any time evil is removed form the world as a reason to celebrate.

Well said....I am proudly flying my flag today!

 

[Angelhalo]

Wow. How incredibly ignorant. You think people don´t have opinions just because the people you know don´t know more about it? Believe me, people in Britain and Holland for example most have lots of opinions on various issues that have been going on here in the past few years.

So we come full circle. It is just like your ignorance on our feelings over Bin Laden's death. I'm not saying you are stupid, or not smart. I have read your posts for years and you seem like a very nice and smart person. But, when it comes to an actual understanding of our feelings from that day as Americans you are ignorant. Not because you are dumb (because you are not) but, because you simply weren't here and you're not an American. So, you can't help but be anything but ignorant of the impact it has on us as citizens. For the first time in a long long time it made us all feel connected. Whether we had similar lives, or similar political or religious beliefs made no difference. On 9/11 we were all the same....Americans. And now years later we have a sense of that same feeling again.

It is ok if you can't understand the feeling. It is ok if it bothers you. But, you have to understand that it is upsetting to hear someone who is not an American, admonishing us for celebrating the riddance of someone who was pure evil. Someone who caused events that shook us to the core and killed nearly 3,000 of our citizens.

We can't possibly expect you to know exactly how we feel. So, we just ask for a little patience and a little compassion.

 

[Freyja]

When I heard that we had got him, my first reaction was disbelief actually, then when I put on the news I cried for a long time.

I wanted to go to Ground Zero because I wanted to sing our National Anthem and cry with others that were there that I am sure were also emotional.

Why can't we be proud about what happened. I think the MEDIA is portraying it wrong, but why can't we celebrate about this man being caught?

We are still feeling the backlash of what happened 10 years later, Hello do you see the price of gas, we are involved in 2 wars, soon to be only one thank goodness.

My brother who is a Marine, called me and was excited and shocked just as I was, but celebrate is not the right word. Last night we came together as a Nation and hugged and high fived and felt alive again.

We have had so much bad news day after day after day. This was for us, This was for those that lost their lives on that day for all of our Troops that gave the ULTIMATE sacrafice and the families who maybe now can rest and be at peace knowing we caught this man and yes he is dead.

We have a dress code at work and have uniforms, I wore my Red Shirt and Mickey Mouse USA pin today and my American Flag Earings because I again was proud of my country, Troops and President.

Of course you can be proud! I think you should be proud!
And believe me, I have seen the price of gas. I pay twice what you pay and our currency has dropped 50% in 3 years (which means that all imported goods are twice as expensive as they were).

 

[WDSearcher]

The celebrations are, I think, a knee-jerk reaction by people to something that I think no one thought was possible. I don't think anyone really ever thought that bin Laden would be caught, captured, or killed. The belief, I think, was that he would just continue on to do his dirty work until one day he died of natural causes somewhere.

Even though we've all been told that the intelligence community was still looking for him, I don't know how many people believed that. I didn't ... not really. I looked at it almost as a cold case -- one of those things that the PTB would pick up from time to time, try for some new intel, find nothing, and put back on the "to do" pile. So when the news came through that bin Laden had been found and killed, and then more info came out about how and who ... I admit that I was thrilled! Finally -- all those jokes people would make, sneering about the "war against terror" and the "intelligence" community -- finally, there was this amazing realization that yes ... these men and women have been methodically working year after year, lead after lead towards this amazing moment of discovery. Who would have thought?

The celebrations are not about bin Laden being dead. They're about American victory. They're about the good guys winning and the bad guy losing. They're about a source of evil that has been stopped for good.