Argh mom vent

Welcome to girls growing up.:lmao: I feel sorry for your oldest. She is really going to take a lot of the heat for the younger ones.:duck:

I hope I totally misunderstood this, 'cause I'd hope an adult wouldn't mean it this way, but I can't believe you just "mean-girled" a little kid! I have a teenager myself, so I completely understand how mean and vicious tween aged kids are, but holy smokes, I sure wouldn't be so flippant about it :sad2:

OP, I had a mom like yours, well she was a hundred times worse, and you need to put your foot down now if you don't want her to interfere with your parenting choices. You've allowed it for a long time, and she isn't going to be wild about it. Also, it's nobody's business but yours and your husbands what kind of clothes you allow your kids to have or not have... sheesh!
 
I'm sure your mom doesn't mean to be mean, and I'm really glad she's open to talking about it.

Here's my perspective: I was your kid. My grandmother used to criticize me all the time when I was little: what I wore, how my hair looked, and so on. I hated it. When she would visit, I would be so worried that I would get stomach aches. In general, I was a pretty resilient kid and didn't let things get to me, but I felt entirely powerless--I was trying to be good and respectful so I never stood up to her, but would stand there and take it.

I'm sure from the outside it didn't seem like a big deal, and any one of the comments on their own wouldn't have sounded many alarm bells: "wearing your hair down would be so much more flattering to your round face" or "I don't think that shirt works with your figure" (for a nine year old!) or "you could be so pretty if you just wore more blue". But it was constant, and it was always the same theme--I'm not pretty enough, I'm not good enough, and I need to improve myself. It was also relentless, and I ended up being really scared to walk into the kitchen in the morning because I knew there was a huge chance she would find something to criticize me about. The worst part was that she could be quite kind in other instances, which always threw me off; it kept me from growing a thick skin with her, and it also made me wary around other people who were kind (because I worried that she was saying what everyone else was secretly thinking).

The hardest part was, I didn't think my mom was on my side. I was pretty stoic about it, as much as I could be, because I was sure that my grandmother was right and I did need to try to make myself prettier. But I remember feeling so alone and so hurt that I had to take her critiques over and over again without any support for my mom. The breaking point was at ten when she swapped my after-school cookie for an apple because she thought I was getting, as she told me, chubby. (I was a perfectly normal weight, even a little skinny for my height.) I ran down to the basement sobbing, and I heard my mom yell at my grandmother, and it was the first time that I thought that maybe my mom was on my side and maybe she didn't secretly agree with my grandma.

I brought it up with my mom a couple years ago, and she said that she had actually spoken privately to her mother many times before that--I just hadn't known. I still remember the feeling of absolute relief that my mom stood up for me when I couldn't, no matter how belated. (I should say that my mom never made fun of me or criticized me like this, and actually told me I was wonderful and beautiful many times a day. I think she was just trying to figure out how to stop her unstoppable mom, until she realized that the behind-the-scenes chats weren't having the desired effect. My mom, I should emphasize, was and is fantastic.)

I'm now over 30, and I still don't like to be alone with my grandmother. Seeing her still makes me feel panicky and prickly, and I avoid her as much as I can. I still try to be a good granddaughter--I've visited her in the hospital, etc.--but I don't like spending time with her. It's made even sadder because I'm quite close to my other grandparents.

Phew--therapy session over. All of this is to say, if it's gotten to the point where your daughter is actually scared of her grandmother and has been brave enough to tell you, it's gone way too far. Your mother may not realize it, but what she's saying is deeply hurtful to your kids and is making at least one of them think less of herself. You need to set some firm boundaries and stick to them: for instance, if she brings it up in front of the kids again, you will say, "Mom, I think Jane looks great. I'm really glad she's picked something she likes"--and if she says it again, you leave. Sticking up for your kids, respectfully but firmly, is fundamental.

I'm not saying the situations are totally analogous, nor do I want to project overly much, but I thought something from the kids' perspective might be useful. I'm sure your mom is actually a lovely person whose concern for her grandkids is just manifesting in a less than productive way. I'm really glad you're talking honestly and openly with her, and I hope the situation gets better.
 
My MIL is very similar in she buys my dd8 fancy labels ect and has issues with what I buy. I just ignore the color, fabric, cartoon char comments, and let her buy her clothes and shoes. There is no argument she buys prolly 80% of her clothes. Sometimes I buy justice off eBay, but I cannot shop like she does and both my dd and I are okay with it. I like the Disney store and oweeee Terrible me I won't let dd wear a bikini unless fully covered .

She has clothes she knows she can't wear to grammas without getting picked on .. Specifically blue jeans ., no really. Or pants that don't have elastic wastes ...

Dd8 And I joke about it but dd is fine with it. No hurt feelings, she knows gramma wants her to not wear cartoon char and when she goes over there she doesn't.
She also knows the pink bikini I'd have a hard time watching her wear as an adult has a short sleeve shirt cover up she now has to wear with it.

Instead of getting mad I lover her for how much she loves my girls .. Just different than me. ... And she made dd bday with 8 boxes filled with justice clothes for her bday... Ok by me I can only afford target.
 
I am happy that you confronted (in a nice way) your mom about the situation. I teach elementary school, and guess what? 95% of the kids could care less who wears what from where. LOL! Props to you for encouraging your daughters to be unique individuals. Allowing them to choose their own clothes and encouraging their ideas/opinions builds their self esteem, and will make them the kind of kids who will STAND UP to bullies and choose the right types of friends. Good for you! :goodvibes:thumbsup2:cool1::hug:

Thank you! I appreciate hearing that! I just want my kids to be who they are and to let them form who they are and what styles they like.

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Glad to hear this! I hope your meeting later in the week goes well and you have made some progress with your mom.

Thank you! I hope so too! I may need some pixie dust sent my way!

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I'm sure your mom doesn't mean to be mean, and I'm really glad she's open to talking about it.

Here's my perspective: I was your kid. My grandmother used to criticize me all the time when I was little: what I wore, how my hair looked, and so on. I hated it. When she would visit, I would be so worried that I would get stomach aches. In general, I was a pretty resilient kid and didn't let things get to me, but I felt entirely powerless--I was trying to be good and respectful so I never stood up to her, but would stand there and take it.

I'm sure from the outside it didn't seem like a big deal, and any one of the comments on their own wouldn't have sounded many alarm bells: "wearing your hair down would be so much more flattering to your round face" or "I don't think that shirt works with your figure" (for a nine year old!) or "you could be so pretty if you just wore more blue". But it was constant, and it was always the same theme--I'm not pretty enough, I'm not good enough, and I need to improve myself. It was also relentless, and I ended up being really scared to walk into the kitchen in the morning because I knew there was a huge chance she would find something to criticize me about. The worst part was that she could be quite kind in other instances, which always threw me off; it kept me from growing a thick skin with her, and it also made me wary around other people who were kind (because I worried that she was saying what everyone else was secretly thinking).

The hardest part was, I didn't think my mom was on my side. I was pretty stoic about it, as much as I could be, because I was sure that my grandmother was right and I did need to try to make myself prettier. But I remember feeling so alone and so hurt that I had to take her critiques over and over again without any support for my mom. The breaking point was at ten when she swapped my after-school cookie for an apple because she thought I was getting, as she told me, chubby. (I was a perfectly normal weight, even a little skinny for my height.) I ran down to the basement sobbing, and I heard my mom yell at my grandmother, and it was the first time that I thought that maybe my mom was on my side and maybe she didn't secretly agree with my grandma.

I brought it up with my mom a couple years ago, and she said that she had actually spoken privately to her mother many times before that--I just hadn't known. I still remember the feeling of absolute relief that my mom stood up for me when I couldn't, no matter how belated. (I should say that my mom never made fun of me or criticized me like this, and actually told me I was wonderful and beautiful many times a day. I think she was just trying to figure out how to stop her unstoppable mom, until she realized that the behind-the-scenes chats weren't having the desired effect. My mom, I should emphasize, was and is fantastic.)

I'm now over 30, and I still don't like to be alone with my grandmother. Seeing her still makes me feel panicky and prickly, and I avoid her as much as I can. I still try to be a good granddaughter--I've visited her in the hospital, etc.--but I don't like spending time with her. It's made even sadder because I'm quite close to my other grandparents.

Phew--therapy session over. All of this is to say, if it's gotten to the point where your daughter is actually scared of her grandmother and has been brave enough to tell you, it's gone way too far. Your mother may not realize it, but what she's saying is deeply hurtful to your kids and is making at least one of them think less of herself. You need to set some firm boundaries and stick to them: for instance, if she brings it up in front of the kids again, you will say, "Mom, I think Jane looks great. I'm really glad she's picked something she likes"--and if she says it again, you leave. Sticking up for your kids, respectfully but firmly, is fundamental.

I'm not saying the situations are totally analogous, but I thought something from the kids' perspective might be useful. I'm sure your mom is actually a lovely person whose concern for her grandkids is just manifesting in a less than productive way. I'm really glad you're talking honestly and openly with her, and I hope the situation gets better.

Wow thank you for sharing your story and I'm so sorry you had to deal with it. This will defiantly help me when I do have my face to face with my mom. I want my kids to enjoy grandma and grandma to enjoy them for who they are. I do think things will work out better this time and I owe a lot of that too y'all! I truly appreciate all the help and advice

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Our only rules for clothing are belly and chest areas have to be completely covered. Shorts need to be fingertip length and no bikinis. They can have takinis(how do you spell that) and there can't me any bad writing or derogatory writing on the clothes other than that we are pretty flexible in what they wear and don't really care where it's from

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I have to also admit that me and my mom still shop at Childrens place 0-3mths clothes that fit my DD10's American Girls dolls... we cant go there without looking through the clearance items lol.

Our last trip to DW we bought DD and her doll Brooklynn matching outfits :goodvibes

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sidenote: gymboree closed out before my children were in elementary school so I never looked at that age.

What a great idea! AGD clothes are so expensive at the store and DD is tall for her age and has sized out of the knock-off matching outfits like Dollie and Me. We sometimes buy her and my niece matching clothes from TCP since they have the same things in toddler and girls, never thought of clothes for their dolls too!

OP- Your clothing rules sound just like mine.:thumbsup2

I've let my kids pick out their own clothes for a long time now. DD10 doesn't care where it's from as long as it's bright and sparkly, LOL. She also likes things to fit a certain way as she is a little sensitive to the feel of some materials. We currently have the most success finding clothes for her at Justice, The Children's Place and Target with the occasional Old Navy or Kohl's thrown in. She also likes to wear her Disney shirts (mostly Perry, Tinkerbell and Minnie). She's never been made fun of for her clothes.:confused3 On the contrary, kids are always asking her where she gets things as she always puts together some pretty funky outfits. :laughing:

Good luck with your mom. It sounds as though you are on the right track.:)
 
I hope I totally misunderstood this, 'cause I'd hope an adult wouldn't mean it this way, but I can't believe you just "mean-girled" a little kid! I have a teenager myself, so I completely understand how mean and vicious tween aged kids are, but holy smokes, I sure wouldn't be so flippant about it :sad2:

OP, I had a mom like yours, well she was a hundred times worse, and you need to put your foot down now if you don't want her to interfere with your parenting choices. You've allowed it for a long time, and she isn't going to be wild about it. Also, it's nobody's business but yours and your husbands what kind of clothes you allow your kids to have or not have... sheesh!

I have no idea what you are talking about. I meant girls grow up and change their minds on what they like on a dime.:confused3
 
What bothered me believe it or not is the fact that she had the name put on the bag, I don't find that safe

This is my big problem as well. Bad decision to have name on the backpack so anyone can see it. Best to use that bag to go back and forth to nanny's.
Now my girls are older, (21, 23, 25) and were never teased about their clothes and most came from walmart when they were in school. They never had name brand shoes, except when Saucony opened and we all got a pair or two. Not until high school anyway and they bought the nike's themselves if that is what they wanted. Once they had their own money, if they wanted to shop other places they could, and they found their way to Old Navy, Hollister, Aeropostale... their money their choice.
 
Kinda of :offtopic:

I personally dont care about the Brand name but I do like CP since their clothes dont seem to shrink or fade. Ive tried Target and Walmart but I cant stand S/M/L clothing that dont show sizes. Some of them do but either dont fit right or shrink the first time I washed it. I tried H&M here which seemed good prices but they didnt fit and their size was by age :confused3. Only reason we wont shop CP for school this year isnt because its not for 10 yr olds, my daughter is outgrowing them since they only go up to 14 and thats what she's wearing now. I have no clue who/what Justice is. :confused:
 
My girls are 11 and 6. I let them pick out all their clothes for the most part. My DD6 LOVES dresses and leggings. Hates wearing pants or jeans as they are "uncomfortable". The fancier the dress the better. In the winter she wears them with leggings. She is going into 2nd grade this year and doesn't really like clothes with characters anymore (besides pyjamas).

My DD11 has always had her own sense of style and has always hated dresses and overly girly clothes. Hates anything pink, purple or sparkley. She shops at any store as long as she likes the clothes. Sometimes Justice, sometimes Walmart. She doesn't really care about brand as long as she likes the clothes. She has never been made fun of. In fact she says people love her clothes. We have spent many an afternoon tie-dying clothing for my girls. She has never mentioned anyone getting teased for their clothing. In fact she still has jeans from the children's place that she wears. She has been wearing the same size 8 jeans for years now and they still fit her going into 6th grade. In fact she still has plenty of size 6 shorts that she still wears that are from "baby stores":laughing: I'm thinking that maybe she'll hit a growth spurt soon and we'll have to move into bigger sizes as she still wears mostly size 7/8.
 
I haven't read through the whole post, but
OP, you said you want your kids to pick out their own clothes, but do you take them to places like Justice or Abercrombie to see if they like that, or only to pick out what they like from the stores you want them to shop at.

I see both points. My mom used to interfere much more and we had many discussions about it. At this point, my DDs are 11 and 9 and grandma will just take them shopping where they want to go for their birthdays or christmas and they pick out what they want. I do the same, and we all shop and they try on and pick out their clothes.

On the other hand, I agree with your mom too... I would not send my kids to school in clothes that other kids could make fun of. Kids are mean sometimes! And maybe its giving in to society or whatever, but I don't want my kids to have to deal with it.
 
How awful. I thought the whole point of uniforms was to prevent this sort of thing.

My kids go to Catholic school and they are not made fun of at all.

Now when I went to Catholic school, we were not made fun of for our uniform clothes but what we wore on the weekends, to dances, and whether or not we had a Trapper Keeper or things like that.


Since I rarely got brand name clothes growing up and was teased about it and always felt left out when all the girls would come back from Christmas break and talk about their Benetton and Jordache, that I know I am uber concisous of what my boys where...and guess what they could care less and so do most of their classmates!!!! I ask my DS15 all the time do you want to shop here, what about here, bc I "hear" that all the boys shop at AE etc. Nope he has no interest and I say only a handful of boys wear the stuff. He does ask for Nike and Under Armour so he is not totally antibrand stuff, but I do not see the emphasis on the brand names that I expected as he got older and that I hear form the parents of his public school friends.

He goes to private HS and last year one of the moms told me all the boys wear Sperrys..ok so I insisted he try on the Sperrys, he HATED them! He said they did not feel comfortable at all, we tried different sizes etc. He finally got a pair of boat shoes in Dockers. He said they were more comfortable. He said he was sitting in class and one of the boys grabbed his shoe off his foot and said..."hey what kind are these?" DS sais Dockers...now I of course am thinking "Oh no!". The other kid tosses the shoe back and says cool....I think I will get those next time, I HATE these Sperrys LOL
 
To the pp who asked if I only take them to the stores I want. I take them to a town square that has all of the stores you could imagine and we just go in all and they pick what they want. Store brand doesn't matter to me. I could care less where it comes from. All I care about is that they are covered in appropriate clothing

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Honestly I don't even know any 6 year olds that wear Gymboree.

it sounds like you and your mother are both using the girls as an outlet for issues between the two of you. My guess is you influence the girls to dress in a more young child way (Childrens Place) and your mom tried to influence them to dress older and more trendy. I doubt your mother is really super mean about the girls' clothes because it has gone on for this long. Its probably more likely you are taking her comments as a criticism of you (because that's how you influence the girls to dress) and taking it to be harsher than it really is.

I mean, seriously you'd stop letting your mother see her granddaughters because she doesn't like their clothes?
 
I really don't know how many times to say that once my girls hit an age they can tell me and pick out clothes they want that they pick the place. My kids don't dress like babies and have clothes from a variety of places. My kids don't really have many clothes from children's place but my 9 year old did like a bag from there and asked for it so I bought it. Yes my 8 year old wears gymboree bit that is because she likes the Cotten dresses.

My mom calls them dorky, she says it looks dumb, and stuff like that.

Her and I talked and by me telling her my 8 year old was afraid of what she would say about the clothes SHE picked out my mom woke up and said she didn't realize how she was making the girls afraid to see her. She called and apologized to me and the kids.

My kids wear what they want and I do allow them to be trendy if that's what they want. They have toms, sperrys etc...

I'm sure I could have taken some of it wrongly and thought she was in the wrong. I also think at times she is undermining my parenting

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I really don't know how many times to say that once my girls hit an age they can tell me and pick out clothes they want that they pick the place. My kids don't dress like babies and have clothes from a variety of places. My kids don't really have many clothes from children's place but my 9 year old did like a bag from there and asked for it so I bought it. Yes my 8 year old wears gymboree bit that is because she likes the Cotten dresses.

My mom calls them dorky, she says it looks dumb, and stuff like that.

Her and I talked and by me telling her my 8 year old was afraid of what she would say about the clothes SHE picked out my mom woke up and said she didn't realize how she was making the girls afraid to see her. She called and apologized to me and the kids.

My kids wear what they want and I do allow them to be trendy if that's what they want. They have toms, sperrys etc...

I'm sure I could have taken some of it wrongly and thought she was in the wrong. I also think at times she is undermining my parenting

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You don't have to defend yourself for buying your girls clothing from stores that plenty of people also buy their school aged kids from :rolleyes2. I guess everyone else only buys their kids stuff from Aeropostle and Abercrombie and GAP and who knows where else? My kids get clothing from Penneys, Sears, Aero, CP, Kohls, Meijers, Kmart, Justice. I don't know many people who don't shop wherever they see something cute or that their kid likes. The bottom line is that your mom is being a turd. She needs to back off and let you clothe your kids unless she just wants to add a few things to their wardrobes and keep her mouth shut.
 
lol I really can't believe this thread.. do kids really not wear childrens place after they are out of toddler clothes in most places or what? I have no idea what sperrys even are so needless to say my kids dont wear them. They have new balance sneakers and a few other pairs of shoes (from sears).. my kids are VERY low maintenance. Most of their clothes are old navy, childrens place, crazy 8 (the old navy of gymboree) older dd has some aero because she needs longer shirts. they are in uniforms for school. Which is VERY VERY strict about no logos on any clothes.. now I see why! ah! its more expensive but after this thread it might be worth it! Also on my street we pass kids clothes around like water. I didn't have to buy my 8 yr old son any shorts this summer I got all of his from my friend who I give all my 4 yr olds clothes to after he's done with them for her 2 yr old son. my 10 yr olds clothes go to a 9 yr old who I am babysitting right now.. she is wearing one of my dd's old shirts from last year. This whole thread is crazy! I will admit their backpacks are from pottery barn only because I got them for 3.50 a piece they also have jansport ones because i'm not buying them cheap ones to fall apart midschool year.. if it was up to them they'd all probably pick them out from childrens place
 
My mom calls them dorky, she says it looks dumb, and stuff like that.

WOW, that is the ONLY thing that I need to hear, and any other discussion about what the brand or store are is completely and totally unwarranted and inappropriate.

OP, if this quote above is true, then YES, if your mom is unable to 'put a lid on it', then I would definitely limit contact. Only when you are present, and at the very first comment... out the door.

And, if she is all about the more expensive 'trendy' brand names. (which seem to be stores I would never even walk into) Then perhaps the fact that the expensive personalized back-pack will NOT be used can be part of the wake-up call for her. For here to see an expensive item of clothing or accessory be totally rejected... That might help do it. I would leave her under NO misunderstanding that this backpack might be used.

I can't even believe that there are posters here who think it is okay to, basically, do what this grandma is doing, by flaming the OP about her childrens style of dress... WOW... :confused3
 














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