Are average children

[wvjules]

Sorry, i dont facebook, tweeter or do any social networking so I am not exposed to that.

My child does have an IEP. The issue is, there is a resentment that these kids get something different then the average kids.

Parent: Why cant my average child get 1 on 1 education too!
What they fail to consider is the Public Education System's education technique works for 80 to 90% of the kids. The problem is, there are children both challenged and gifted who do not learn based on that format. Hence you have your IEP which addresses a learning differential. These learned differentials arent wide spread, especially with budget issues. I personally have to drive 30 miles to get my child to a school that has a facility that addresses her learning needs.

The resentment stems from these kids getting "special" treatment. People have this perception that

"Youre childs gifted, what do you have to worry about?"

When they have no clue what we have to go through so they have an education that will equip them with the potential they can achieve.

So average children don't derseve 1 on 1 instruction because they don't have potential to achieve? Got it!

 

[RabbitFood]

My child does have an IEP. The issue is, there is a resentment that these kids get something different then the average kids.

Parent: Why cant my average child get 1 on 1 education too!

What they fail to consider is the Public Education System's education technique works for 80 to 90% of the kids. The problem is, there are children both challenged and gifted who do not learn based on that format. Hence you have your IEP which addresses a learning differential. These learned differentials arent wide spread, especially with budget issues. I personally have to drive 30 miles to get my child to a school that has a facility that addresses her learning needs.
The resentment stems from these kids getting "special" treatment. People have this perception that

"Youre childs gifted, what do you have to worry about?"

When they have no clue what we have to go through so they have an education that will equip them with the potential they can achieve.

While you may have encountered such "resentment" with people in your community, please point out where any of that which you mention has been posted on this thread.
You keep suggesting that people on this thread have expressed contempt for "gifted" children and have encouraged bullying against those children. Please quote the posts that show this animosity that you seem to find running rampant among parents of "average" children. Thank you!

 

[Pooh Crew]

This right here is what this thread is all about. It has nothing to do with "gifted" kids at all...it's all about the crazy parents who are apparently "gifted" by proxy.

A mom at our school walked around the school for weeks clutching a book to her chest that was titled something like "How to Raise a Gifted Child"...title outward for all to see, of course. The book wasn't that thick, so I can't imagine that it took her that long to read it. Matter of fact, I never saw her actually reading it, just carrying it for all to see...and ooh and ahh over, I guess. It's not the kids that are the object of this thread to me, it's the parents.

 

[Robinrs]

Very well said.

With the attitude of that parent, you can only feel sorry for the child.

This is pitiful. Someone call protective services!

 

[dngnb8]

So average children don't derseve 1 on 1 instruction because they don't have potential to achieve? Got it!

If youre child is in that "average" group of the 80%, the whole education system is designed FOR YOUR CHILD.

So youre saying, my child should just be ignored because she doesnt fit in the 80%? Got it

Nothing like getting a whole system for you kid and thinking it isnt enough.

 

[tmarquez]

The resentment stems from these kids getting "special" treatment.

Really?

When I was in high school, all the football players got special treatment because they were on the team and we were a football school.

According to my own DD's friends, she gets special treatment sometimes because she is outgoing and "cute".

The lady down the hall got special treatment and an employee of the month parking spot because she perfomed well last month.

There's a kid on my street that gets to play in all 4 quarters of his soccer games because he is really good. Special treatment!

None of those people are "gifted". Yet you assume they resent a "gifted" kid? Silly.

 

[wvjules]

If youre child is in that "average" group of the 80%, the whole education system is designed FOR YOUR CHILD.

So youre saying, my child should just be ignored because she doesnt fit in the 80%? Got it

Nothing like getting a whole system for you kid and thinking it isnt enough.

Pot, this is Kettle

 

[dngnb8]

While you may have encountered such "resentment" with people in your community, please point out where any of that which you mention has been posted on this thread.

This thread started as satire making fun of parents who talk about their gifted kids.

You keep suggesting that people on this thread have expressed contempt for "gifted" children and have encouraged bullying against those children. Please quote the posts that show this animosity that you seem to find running rampant among parents of "average" children. Thank you!

Im using the same satire they are. So... youre saying, Im not allowed the satire they are? Just want to be clear.

 

[Magic Mom]

Sorry, i dont facebook, tweeter or do any social networking so I am not exposed to that.

My child does have an IEP. The issue is, there is a resentment that these kids get something different then the average kids.

Parent: Why cant my average child get 1 on 1 education too!

What they fail to consider is the Public Education System's education technique works for 80 to 90% of the kids. The problem is, there are children both challenged and gifted who do not learn based on that format. Hence you have your IEP which addresses a learning differential. These learned differentials arent wide spread, especially with budget issues. I personally have to drive 30 miles to get my child to a school that has a facility that addresses her learning needs.

The resentment stems from these kids getting "special" treatment. People have this perception that

"Youre childs gifted, what do you have to worry about?"

When they have no clue what we have to go through so they have an education that will equip them with the potential they can achieve.

As the parent of a non gifted child, it absolutely ticks me of that my child doesn't get the extra, supplemental services gifted kids get. She could learn so much more if she was pulled and worked with in a small group setting. I know what our GT program offers, and my daughter would gain SO much from it but too bad for her, she doesn't get it. Instead, if we want extra for her WE have to pay for it. Why shouldn't the parents of gifted kids pay for extra?

 

[RabbitFood]

This thread started as satire making fun of parents who talk about their gifted kids.



Im using the same satire they are. So... youre saying, Im not allowed the satire they are? Just want to be clear.

Maybe fourth time is the charm...

Please quote the posts on this thread that support your theory that parents of "average" children resent "gifted" children and encourage bullying against those children. Thank you!

And regarding your use of the word "satire": I do not think that word means what you think it means.

 

[Robinrs]

I was skipped in elementary school and the only resentment I got was from my sister at home because I was skipped INTO her grade!

ALL parents deal with issues with schools and how their kids are educated, it's the nature of the beast. I see you've dealt with it to an extent you can't deal with because you're reflecting it on people who had nothing to do with the people you were offended by. It's so much easier to attack the anonymous board person than to deal with real people, like my mother did.

I kind of wish she had a DIS board to rant and rave at, too!

 

[RabbitFood]

ALL parents deal with issues with schools and how their kids are educated, it's the nature of the beast. I see you've dealt with it to an extent you can't deal with because you're reflecting it on people who had nothing to do with the people you were offended by. It's so much easier to attack the anonymous board person than to deal with real people, like my mother did.

Yes!

 

[Plannin'Shannon]

And regarding your use of the word "satire": I do not think that word means what you think it means.

 

[Magic Mom]

This thread has nothing to do with "seeing"

Additionally, many of these kids are identified by the classes they take. The treatment occurs once they find out theyre gifted, not because they look gifted

You do realize gifted kids often make fun of all those lowly average kids too? I see it everyday at work. "What? You're still on addition fact tables, I finished those in 2nd grade? hahahaha!" "That assignment is easy, I can't believe you are still working on it!" There is no exempt group when it comes to being made fun of at school. 99% of kids will be made fun of for something at some point.

 

[LisaR]

You do realize gifted kids often make fun of all those lowly average kids too? I see it everyday at work. "What? You're still on addition fact tables, I finished those in 2nd grade? hahahaha!" "That assignment is easy, I can't believe you are still working on it!" There is no exempt group when it comes to being made fun of at school. 99% of kids will be made fun of for something at some point.

 

[Magpie]

I'm confused and depressed by this thread.

But I got to say - thumbs up for quoting The Princess Bride!

I love satire. Satire's my favorite genre of entertainment. So is parody. I wanted our local gifted advocacy organization to sell tees featuring that Far Side cartoon with the kid trying to go in the out exit. But sadly, I was vetoed by some of the other board members.

I still say it would have been beyond awesome...

 

[mickeyboat]

As the parent of a non gifted child, it absolutely ticks me of that my child doesn't get the extra, supplemental services gifted kids get. She could learn so much more if she was pulled and worked with in a small group setting. I know what our GT program offers, and my daughter would gain SO much from it but too bad for her, she doesn't get it. Instead, if we want extra for her WE have to pay for it. Why shouldn't the parents of gifted kids pay for extra?

I have an above average child and an average child. My average child is a very sensory learner who excels in a small group atmosphere. I have complained all through her elementary years that it is the average kids like her who get the shaft. They are not at the top of the heap, they don't have special needs. As long as they behave properly, they are just left to float along.

I was actually glad in a way that she scored a little low on her reading assessments last year. It qualified her for some small group instruction. She absolutely flourished in that group. But as soon as her scores improved, she wasn't eligible for the group anymore. Bummer.

 

[monsterkitty]

She is in the Middle Year International Baccalaureate Program. She was in a Charter School with an aggressive curriculum before. She took the state exam 1 year early, and she missed 1 question (Grant it, it was Arizona, not a bastion of education but still).

She's constantly is told, "youre gifted, you shouldnt have any problems" with a sneer. The kids tease her because she has good grades. Brainiac, You think youre so smart. etc... No, it isnt the kids in the MYIB program that tease her. Its always kids on an average curriculum. I use the word average because its the thread title btw. Not because I think that our education system is average

She plays piano, guitar, is a wonderful artist (had her pencil art described as text book quality by the Art Teacher for what that is worth), and has no plans to go to college. She wants to go to Cal Arts and do computer graphic design/animation (yes, my girl is a geek too). She was on the computer at 18 months old, using the mouse and keyboard for educational programs targeting 6 year olds, and she taught herself to read. This isnt just a parent EPeening a child who gets A's.

The ribbing she got when she was younger has made her even more shy then she already is. She even tries not to do so well so they wouldnt tease her. She felt if her grades suffered, some of the other kids wouldnt tease her. She was wrong of course, they just said

I thought you were gifted! HAHAHAHA they seem to celebrate when she doesnt succeed as they think she should because "She's Gifted". Honestly, I have come to despise that word.

When a parent has a child that suffers from other kids cruelty, and see adults acting the same way, it raises the hair on the parents neck. This sort of behavior is taught. Seeing statement like, maybe your kids should be taught a sense of humor, IMHO is just pure ignorance. How about we teach people not to be cruel and respect another on occasion? Just sayin....

Yes people are cruel in life, its reality. That doesnt give permission to keep being cruel. If this was a race issue, this thread would have been deleted. Its okay to be cruel to a family with a gifted child though....

And of all places, A Disney Board.... The Irony

The MYP program isn't for gifted kids. It is a program for average and above average children who are self-motivated. Or, in many cases, it is a program for children with pushy parents.

Are there gifted and talented students in the program? Yes! But just being in MYP doesn't make the child gifted.

GT kids are no more teased than any other student in a school. Teasing happens in every school, public, private, etc. It is a part of growing up. Yes, it can go too far, but calling a student brainiac isn't worse than calling a student the "r" word or gay. While the teasing hurts the child still should be taught coping skills.

 

[clutter]

This thread started as satire making fun of parents who talk about their gifted kids.

Actually, the thread seemed to be making light of the number of gifted kids on the DIS. And the parents that seem to think that if 1st grader Johnny can read at a 2nd grade level, he MUST be profoundly gifted.

I know parents IRL that have profoundly gifted kids. They do need differentiation. I also know lots of kids that are in the 'gifted' program that are not necessarily gifted. I have a good friend that spends half her life describing how her dd is gifted academically, a virtuoso at ballet, piano and a master of any activity that she puts her kid in. The reality is that her dd struggles with math and was put into a private school because she did not meet our districts VERY VERY VERY liberal gifted rules.

No one is picking on the kids themselves. Or the parents of kids that are truly gifted. It's the very loose application of the term by parents to kids that are most likely not gifted that is pretty funny.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

actually, the thread seemed to be making light of the number of gifted kids on the dis. And the parents that seem to think that if 1st grader johnny can read at a 2nd grade level, he must be profoundly gifted.

I know parents irl that have profoundly gifted kids. They do need differentiation. I also know lots of kids that are in the 'gifted' program that are not necessarily gifted. I have a good friend that spends half her life describing how her dd is gifted academically, a virtuoso at ballet, piano and a master of any activity that she puts her kid in. The reality is that her dd struggles with math and was put into a private school because she did not meet our districts very very very liberal gifted rules.

No one is picking on the kids themselves. Or the parents of kids that are truly gifted. It's the very loose application of the term by parents to kids that are most likely not gifted that is pretty funny.

ita.