AP's to get 20 FP+ per quarter

[Sydnerella]

So at this point is there confirmation that:

Regular FP goes away?
OR
Regular FP cannot be used on the same day as one has a whopping 3 FP+ experiences reserved?

Perhaps this has been answered already - just did not see it clearly stated anywhere.

Wondering if during a 7 day trip if a person could one day opt to use FP+ and day 2 in the same park opt to use FP only.

Sydnerella's Mama

 

[Missyrose]

So at this point is there confirmation that:

Regular FP goes away?
OR
Regular FP cannot be used on the same day as one has a whopping 3 FP+ experiences reserved?

Perhaps this has been answered already - just did not see it clearly stated anywhere.

Wondering if during a 7 day trip if a person could one day opt to use FP+ and day 2 in the same park opt to use FP only.

Sydnerella's Mama

According to Cheshire Figment on this thread or one of the other FP+ threads, the reason why regular FP is incompatible with FP+ is the regular FP machine requires a car with a magnetic stripe, something the Next-Gen wristbands/RFID cards won't have.

Whether FP+ will incorporate regular FP characteristics (meaning being able to access more FP+s other than your advance reservations) remains to be seen.

 

[doconeill]

So at this point is there confirmation that:

1) Regular FP goes away?

OR

2)Regular FP cannot be used on the same day as one has a whopping 3 FP+ experiences reserved?

Perhaps this has been answered already - just did not see it clearly stated anywhere.

3) Wondering if during a 7 day trip if a person could one day opt to use FP+ and day 2 in the same park opt to use FP only.

Sydnerella's Mama

From what we DO know:

1) Not entirely sure on the long term, but it seems like it will go away. Short term, no. Both systems will be available at least until they are ready to have everyone use FP+. Whether it will be optional or not to use regular FP for resort guests at resorts that have been converted/enabled at least remains to be seen.

2) No. In the Terms & Conditions, it is stated that once you are converted to use FP+, you cannot use regular Fastpass. Set in stone, at least until the stone changes.

3) No, for the same reason as #2.

 

[Sydnerella]

According to Cheshire Figment on this thread or one of the other FP+ threads, the reason why regular FP is incompatible with FP+ is the regular FP machine requires a car with a magnetic stripe, something the Next-Gen wristbands/RFID cards won't have.

Whether FP+ will incorporate regular FP characteristics (meaning being able to access more FP+s other than your advance reservations) remains to be seen.

Thank you! OH... I had not thought this was a potential option - to get more FP+ than your 3FP+ reserved in advance once you were in the park...

That would be nicer.. far nicer. As 3 is not much - I assume that would be a reduction in daily FPs for most DIS members.

From what we DO know:

1) Not entirely sure on the long term, but it seems like it will go away. Short term, no. Both systems will be available at least until they are ready to have everyone use FP+. Whether it will be optional or not to use regular FP for resort guests at resorts that have been converted/enabled at least remains to be seen.

2) No. In the Terms & Conditions, it is stated that once you are converted to use FP+, you cannot use regular Fastpass. Set in stone, at least until the stone changes.

3) No, for the same reason as #2.

That makes sense, thanks. Would be nice if one could add to their 3 once in the park. Guess that will be known soon.

 

[doconeill]

According to Cheshire Figment on this thread or one of the other FP+ threads, the reason why regular FP is incompatible with FP+ is the regular FP machine requires a car with a magnetic stripe, something the Next-Gen wristbands/RFID cards won't have.

Whether FP+ will incorporate regular FP characteristics (meaning being able to access more FP+s other than your advance reservations) remains to be seen.

I wondered why they haven't already been retrofitting the existing kiosks with RFID readers. It's not that difficult to piggyback a swipe system with an RFID system...many credit card POS terminals have it now.

But I also wondered why hey didn't retrofit them with barcode readers when they started to add that as a backup feature on the tickets and turnstiles. They must have seen ahead and expected to be replacing the kiosks completely at some point.

It looks like once everyone had RFID media of some sort, THAT will be the way everyone uses FP+, and there will be no "regular FP". However, day trippers, or those who have at least not already chosen their "three" in advance, would likely use it similar to how FP works now - walk up, touch the MagicBand/card/embedded neural implant/etc, and either take the next available slot or pick a later one if available.

In addition, it appears that you won't necessarily have to go all the way to an attraction to do it, but can do it at any kiosk.

We still don't know for certain if everyone is limited to the "three". But I think it's a good bet everyone will be using the same system down the road.

 

[aubriee]

The uncertainty of it all is what's making me irritated. Knowing we have both AP's and MYW tickets in our group makes me very nervous about possible differences to the two groups and how they will be handled.

Just announce a date already.

Same here. In my case, my husband and I both have AP's, but he usually just goes once or maybe twice a year, whereas I go 4-6 times a year. Add in the fact that I take my mom one or twice a year and she'll have regular MYW tickets, I'm concerned. I'd have already used my 20 fast passes for the quarter, when my husband makes his trip, so there would be some trips where I'd have to stand in long standby lines, while he uses fast pass+. If all three of us happen to be down there the same trip, how do we use fast passes together? Plus we'd be staying offsite, so wouldn't qualify for however many they decide to offer for onsite guests.

 

[aubriee]

That's all I'm really concerned with, how us APs will be treated with these changes.

I'm semi-local and make frequent weekend trips, my APs expire in May and I want to make sure that the changes will be worth it for me to renew for 2013. My kids absolutely love going, but if Disney is going to make it harder for us locals then I can spend my money elsewhere (US, IOA, BG)

My WDW AP expired in Nov and I planned on waiting until I got there May 10th to get a new one (have an old one day ticket to trade in, so can't do it online now). My Universal AP will expire the first week of May and I usually renew it every April to get the discount. I currently have airfare booked for midMay and also have a one bedroom villa booked at Wyndham Bonnet Creek. I really wished WDW would just give us all the details, so we can make an informed decision on what to do. So far I am not liking anything I'm hearing about Fast Pass Plus. My husband and I talked about this the other night. If they are going to do away with the old fast pass system and if they are only going to allow AP holders 20 fast pass+ per quarter and those are only three/day, that can only be used for one headliner/day, then we are not going to renew this year. We'll be taking our money elsewhere. Hopefully more information will come out soon and we'll be pleasantly surprised, but if not this will be the first time in almost nine years that I won't be making a trip to WDW (and usually 4-6 per year).

 

[SaraJayne]

Same here. In my case, my husband and I both have AP's, but he usually just goes once or maybe twice a year, whereas I go 4-6 times a year. Add in the fact that I take my mom one or twice a year and she'll have regular MYW tickets, I'm concerned. I'd have already used my 20 fast passes for the quarter, when my husband makes his trip, so there would be some trips where I'd have to stand in long standby lines, while he uses fast pass+. If all three of us happen to be down there the same trip, how do we use fast passes together? Plus we'd be staying offsite, so wouldn't qualify for however many they decide to offer for onsite guests.

I am worried because my DD is the one that will have a MYW ticket, so obviously we will be doing everything together.

I'm holding out hope FP+ won't be in effect until after our trip. Then I won't have to worry about it anymore.

 

[mom2rtk]

I wondered why they haven't already been retrofitting the existing kiosks with RFID readers. It's not that difficult to piggyback a swipe system with an RFID system...many credit card POS terminals have it now.

But I also wondered why hey didn't retrofit them with barcode readers when they started to add that as a backup feature on the tickets and turnstiles. They must have seen ahead and expected to be replacing the kiosks completely at some point.

It looks like once everyone had RFID media of some sort, THAT will be the way everyone uses FP+, and there will be no "regular FP". However, day trippers, or those who have at least not already chosen their "three" in advance, would likely use it similar to how FP works now - walk up, touch the MagicBand/card/embedded neural implant/etc, and either take the next available slot or pick a later one if available.

In addition, it appears that you won't necessarily have to go all the way to an attraction to do it, but can do it at any kiosk.

We still don't know for certain if everyone is limited to the "three". But I think it's a good bet everyone will be using the same system down the road.

For people without smart phones, I wonder what their plan is to help people actually remember what time their FPs are. My mind is going a million directions when I'm at Disney and have to consult those printed tickets many times over the course of the day to make sure I don't get it wrong. Maybe the kiosks in the parks would have printers?

And can you imagine standing behind someone at a FP kiosk who actually has to decide what time they want? Now that I think about it though, I can't imagine that would be an option. Too many early day slots would just go unused.

 

[MAGICFOR2]

I wondered why they haven't already been retrofitting the existing kiosks with RFID readers. It's not that difficult to piggyback a swipe system with an RFID system...many credit card POS terminals have it now.

But I also wondered why hey didn't retrofit them with barcode readers when they started to add that as a backup feature on the tickets and turnstiles. They must have seen ahead and expected to be replacing the kiosks completely at some point.

It looks like once everyone had RFID media of some sort, THAT will be the way everyone uses FP+, and there will be no "regular FP". However, day trippers, or those who have at least not already chosen their "three" in advance, would likely use it similar to how FP works now - walk up, touch the MagicBand/card/embedded neural implant/etc, and either take the next available slot or pick a later one if available.

In addition, it appears that you won't necessarily have to go all the way to an attraction to do it, but can do it at any kiosk.

We still don't know for certain if everyone is limited to the "three". But I think it's a good bet everyone will be using the same system down the road.

I just had a thought while reading this - once you get your return time by bracelet and not printed FP, I will have a hard time remembering when to return!

 

[MAGICFOR2]

For people without smart phones, I wonder what their plan is to help people actually remember what time their FPs are. My mind is going a million directions when I'm at Disney and have to consult those printed tickets many times over the course of the day to make sure I don't get it wrong. Maybe the kiosks in the parks would have printers?

And can you imagine standing behind someone at a FP kiosk who actually has to decide what time they want? Now that I think about it though, I can't imagine that would be an option. Too many early day slots would just go unused.

I guess you were thinking the same thing I was - should have read your post first.

I had the same thought about waiting for someone to decide, too. Families standing there arguing about whether to take the time or not, trying to remember what time their ADRs are, etc. Think the "brain surgery" ordering style at CS kiosks x 10!

 

[doconeill]

For people without smart phones, I wonder what their plan is to help people actually remember what time their FPs are. My mind is going a million directions when I'm at Disney and have to consult those printed tickets many times over the course of the day to make sure I don't get it wrong. Maybe the kiosks in the parks would have printers?

And can you imagine standing behind someone at a FP kiosk who actually has to decide what time they want? Now that I think about it though, I can't imagine that would be an option. Too many early day slots would just go unused.

I just had a thought while reading this - once you get your return time by bracelet and not printed FP, I will have a hard time remembering when to return!

I haven't seen any official word on this yet, but I did see someone mention it in one of these threads. Apparently Disney may be able to make them flash, like a restaurant "pager".

As I've said before, the October FCC filing by Disney says the MagicBands have a Wi-Fi transceiver embedded in them. This may be the purpose for it. However, it's of limited life (non-replaceable battery), so I don't know how it would work for AP holders over a longer term.

 

[mom2rtk]

I guess you were thinking the same thing I was - should have read your post first.

I had the same thought about waiting for someone to decide, too. Families standing there arguing about whether to take the time or not, trying to remember what time their ADRs are, etc. Think the "brain surgery" ordering style at CS kiosks x 10!

It's definitely going to be interesting to see how this rolls out. And yes, I was definitely picturing standing behind someone ordering CS!

 

[mom2rtk]

I haven't seen any official word on this yet, but I did see someone mention it in one of these threads. Apparently Disney may be able to make them flash, like a restaurant "pager".

As I've said before, the October FCC filing by Disney says the MagicBands have a Wi-Fi transceiver embedded in them. This may be the purpose for it. However, it's of limited life (non-replaceable battery), so I don't know how it would work for AP holders over a longer term.

So would that pager type device have a screen with times displayed?

 

[Colleen27]

I am worried because my DD is the one that will have a MYW ticket, so obviously we will be doing everything together.

I'm holding out hope FP+ won't be in effect until after our trip. Then I won't have to worry about it anymore.

That's my worry too. I'll have an AP this year but each of my kids is only traveling with me once so they'll all have MYW tickets. I'm particularly concerned about December, when I'll be traveling solo with my 4yo, because obviously we'll need to have the same times for everything and I'm not sure how that is going to work with different ticket types.

 

[Colleen27]

I had the same thought about waiting for someone to decide, too. Families standing there arguing about whether to take the time or not, trying to remember what time their ADRs are, etc. Think the "brain surgery" ordering style at CS kiosks x 10!

Can you imagine getting behind a Brazilian tour group guide?!

 

[doconeill]

So would that pager type device have a screen with times displayed?

Not that I am aware of. It would only blink to remind you. If you can't remember what it was, you check a kiosk.

I'm kinda guessing on this part though, based on the FCC filing and a passing mention in a thread.

 

[mom2rtk]

Not that I am aware of. It would only blink to remind you. If you can't remember what it was, you check a kiosk.

I'm kinda guessing on this part though, based on the FCC filing and a passing mention in a thread.

Wow, I don't see that working very long. Or maybe it's just me. It would drive me nuts not having the time right there. Of course, I can write it down. But that makes the days of getting a ticket with the time printed on it look like a technological step forward.

 

[DVC4US]

I haven't seen any official word on this yet, but I did see someone mention it in one of these threads. Apparently Disney may be able to make them flash, like a restaurant "pager".

As I've said before, the October FCC filing by Disney says the MagicBands have a Wi-Fi transceiver embedded in them. This may be the purpose for it. However, it's of limited life (non-replaceable battery), so I don't know how it would work for AP holders over a longer term.

This doesn't seem like a great idea. Can you imagine sitting in a dark show - like Philharmagic, or Hall of Presidents and having all these wristbands flash?

 

[doconeill]

This doesn't seem like a great idea. Can you imagine sitting in a dark show - like Philharmagic, or Hall of Presidents and having all these wristbands flash?

True. And I haven't seen anything yet that shows any sort of indicator on the band. But I don't know what the wi-fi transceiver is for.