AP sales…

[redboat45]

They are selling new passes to families whose children age up from 2-3

I've seen reports where they actually aren't.

 

[lowlight]

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I've seen reports where they actually aren't.

I can confirm they are as of a few days ago. It may be dependent on cast member, but mine didn’t even hesitate.

 

[redboat45]

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I can confirm they are as of a few days ago. It may be dependent on cast member, but mine didn’t even hesitate.

that's great. The report I saw was from a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Madame]

I've seen reports where they actually aren't.

The reports I’m referencing are on these boards & from FB groups - several that I’ve seen since they stopping offering APs.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[js]

I currently have a Sorcerer Pass with DVC and my mom has IncrediPass, both will expire in November.
Will we be able to renew APs that we currently have or has renewal also been suspended?

Thank you.

 

[redboat45]

I currently have a Sorcerer Pass with DVC and my mom has IncrediPass, both will expire in November.
Will we be able to renew APs that we currently have or has renewal also been suspended?

Thank you.

as of now you can still renew. Who knows what they'll do by November.

 

[js]

as of now you can still renew. Who knows what they'll do by November.

Thank you.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

as of now you can still renew. Who knows what they'll do by November.

When do APs come up for renewal? A month before expiration?

 

[CarolMN]

When do APs come up for renewal? A month before expiration?

60 days before expiration and up to 30 days after expiration.

 

[CraigInPA]

question for those lawyers out there .. will these civil proceeding be public information? Most notably , Disney’s data on the percentage of APs vs day tickets and packages. THAT would be fascinating info to find out

Disney will likely try to tag that as a "trade secret", which would prevent it from becoming public. But, as it is the central argument in the lawsuit, I suspect a judge would demand that it be public. IMO, if Disney wants to keep it private, they'll need to settle this before it goes to trial. In doing so, they can require the plaintiffs to sign a non-disclosure regarding the information, and those of us outside the lawsuit won't be able to see the actual figures.

IMO, while Disney has strong incentives to require a park reservation system (mainly due to staffing, and no longer due to social distancing), the impact on guests is fairly extreme. You can see the failure of park reservations when you look at what happens at 2pm, when park hopping begins. I was there at AK last week and saw the park empty, and at Epcot and saw the park become so crowded you could barely walk. I don't know whether Disney has an accurate model of how park hopping affects the various parks, but based upon what I saw, it seems like they do not. They seem to be basing staffing on park reservations (opening to 2pm) and are guessing as to what park attendance will be when park hopping starts at 2pm. I spoke to several other guests who, during the Spring Break period, couldn't get their top choice of park. So, they tapped into the park they were able to get, then park hopped to where they wanted to actually be after 2pm.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

I've seen reports where they actually aren't.

I had no problem at all purchasing one of these from guest services in Epcot in late February.

 

[js]

Disney will likely try to tag that as a "trade secret", which would prevent it from becoming public. But, as it is the central argument in the lawsuit, I suspect a judge would demand that it be public. IMO, if Disney wants to keep it private, they'll need to settle this before it goes to trial. In doing so, they can require the plaintiffs to sign a non-disclosure regarding the information, and those of us outside the lawsuit won't be able to see the actual figures.

IMO, while Disney has strong incentives to require a park reservation system (mainly due to staffing, and no longer due to social distancing), the impact on guests is fairly extreme. You can see the failure of park reservations when you look at what happens at 2pm, when park hopping begins. I was there at AK last week and saw the park empty, and at Epcot and saw the park become so crowded you could barely walk. I don't know whether Disney has an accurate model of how park hopping affects the various parks, but based upon what I saw, it seems like they do not. They seem to be basing staffing on park reservations (opening to 2pm) and are guessing as to what park attendance will be when park hopping starts at 2pm. I spoke to several other guests who, during the Spring Break period, couldn't get their top choice of park. So, they tapped into the park they were able to get, then park hopped to where they wanted to actually be after 2pm.

So, even if a park is "sold out" you can still go after 2 pm with an AP or hopper? I thought only if "available".
Thank you.

 

[CraigInPA]

So, even if a park is "sold out" you can still go after 2 pm with an AP or hopper? I thought only if "available".
Thank you.

Disney has never stated what "available" means. From my experience last week (when every park was sold out every day), "available" apparently means to "park capacity", which is a lot more than the number of "park reservations" initially offered. Epcot was so crowded at times that you literally had to hold onto your party members to avoid losing them in the crowds.

 

[ML_LovesDisney]

Disney has done a lot to frustrate me over the past few years, but when I go and analyze other vacations (and I OVER analyze: cost, things to do, etc), Disney just has the superior product for our family. This is why some people are willing to deal with it (including me). I sold our points in 2018-19 because my husband was disillusioned with Disney and didn't want to go as much. We then went on other trips, national parks, California, Med Cruise, etc. While I enjoyed my other trips, none were things I want to go back and do again and again, except for Mediterranean Cruise which is a once every 5-10 years vacation. I bought points again in 2020 and 2021 and plan to do at least one Disney vacation a year. I used to do 2-3 when my kids were younger, but now that's not as viable with their ages.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Ms Bibbidi]

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[CarolynFH]

So, even if a park is "sold out" you can still go after 2 pm with an AP or hopper? I thought only if "available".
Thank you.

Yes. The only time a park has been closed to hopping was MK for a few hours on the afternoon of October 1, the 50th anniversary. No parks have been closed to hopping other than that, not even during the Thanksgiving - Christmas - New Year's holidays and not during the recent Spring Break crush. BTW WDW has a phone number you can call before you hop (407-560-5000) to make sure the park you want is "available," but it doesn't seem that anyone is using it currently.

 

[SL6827]

So this had nothing to do with guest safety, but rather Disney's greed.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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