Anyone already post that paper FP will be gone at MK as of 1/14?

You really should try to be a bit less dismissive. You originally denied the very existence of FastPass end-of-line CM's because you had never personally observed them, despite the reports from others.

I've noticed several "just got back" posts lately that comment about long FP waits. And during one of the historically low crowd weeks of the year?

Where did I deny that there were EVER CMs marking the end of FP lines? I said that I didn't see any on our trip and you apparently made the leap to that conclusion.

Maybe you need to realize that other people's observations are just as valid as yours, even if we didn't spend hours and hours on our trips standing around and observing and talking to CM's about how things are working.
 
Where did I deny that there were EVER CMs marking the end of FP lines? I said that I didn't see any on our trip and you apparently made the leap to that conclusion. Maybe you need to realize that other people's observations are just as valid as yours, even if we didn't spend hours and hours on our trips standing around and observing and talking to CM's about how things are working.

I've never doubted the observations or reports from others. In fact, it is the growing number of less than positive opinions and reports that I have noticed and am concerned about. Yet I also see positive reports from some people but I don't attack them and dismiss their experience simply because I didn't experience it myself.

There are legitimate concerns about:

1. The limit of 3 FP's
2. Tiering
3. Only 1 FP per attraction
4. Only 1 park per day
5. Offsite guests not being able top rebook

Those are the facts as they stand right now, and the present real and tangible issues for a lot of people. They have concerns about how those restrictions will work for them before they plunk down thousands of dollars.

Then there are also the subjective and speculative issues of long or longer lines or other less than desirable conditions that may result as well.
 
I've never doubted the observations or reports from others.

Oh, really, what would you call this comment that you directed at me a few weeks ago:

"And you sang it's praises before you went, then came back and proclaimed your experience to be wonderful. Got it. You are a proponent of FP+ and can't understand why anyone could be critical of any aspect of it. Understood."

That sounded then and sounds now like you were doubting or dismissing my observations because they were too positive for you.
 

Oh, really, what would you call this comment that you directed at me a few weeks ago: "And you sang it's praises before you went, then came back and proclaimed your experience to be wonderful. Got it. You are a proponent of FP+ and can't understand why anyone could be critical of any aspect of it. Understood." That sounded then and sounds now like you were doubting or dismissing my observations because they were too positive for you.

Actually, Wis, I didn't dispute that you thought you had a great time. I didn't dismiss your experience at all, simply pointed out that you weren't considering the experience of others.

But I'm sure your alter-ego will be along any minute now to reinforce your point.
 
Actually, Wis, I didn't dispute that you thought you had a great time. I didn't dismiss your experience at all, simply pointed out that you weren't considering the experience of others.

But I'm sure your alter-ego will be along any minute now to reinforce your point.

Just keep backpedaling. Your record speaks for itself.

And, as I pointed out in that thread, your statement that I do not consider the opinions and experiences of others was then, and still is, flat out false. Anyone who follows these boards closely knows that. If I am wrong about that, I am sure some of your usual allies (or should I call them alter egos) will come to your defense.

BTW, I object to your allegation that I am posting under multiple screen names. Maybe you should take a step back and realize that it is possible for 2 people to disagree with you.
 
And, as I pointed out in that thread, your statement that I do not consider the opinions and experiences of others was then, and still is, flat out false.

Then, one more time, here is what is terribly concerning to a lot of people:

1. The limit of 3 FP's
2. Tiering
3. Only 1 FP per attraction
4. Only 1 park per day
5. Offsite guests not being able top rebook

Those are the facts. More and more threads are being started, more and more posts are being made, more and more people are expressing their concerns about those five items. Even the people who say they "like" or "love" MB and FP often cite one or more of those issues as a concern. I don't think it is appropriate for anyone to minimize the concerns of others or accuse those who participate in those discussions of trying to convince or otherwise persuade people not to go to WDW for some sinister motive.

Because those five things concern a lot of people.
 
Then, one more time, here is what is terribly concerning to a lot of people:

1. The limit of 3 FP's
2. Tiering
3. Only 1 FP per attraction
4. Only 1 park per day
5. Offsite guests not being able top rebook

Those are the facts. More and more threads are being started, more and more posts are being made, more and more people are expressing their concerns about those five items. Even the people who say they "like" or "love" MB and FP often cite one or more of those issues as a concern. I don't think it is appropriate for anyone to minimize the concerns of others or accuse those who participate in those discussions of trying to convince or otherwise persuade people not to go to WDW for some sinister motive.

Because those five things concern a lot of people.

Good. Let's stick to the facts.

Those facts include that there are more and more posts being made from people who:

1. Don't care about a limit of 3 because they never used that many FPs in the first place.

2. Aren't upset about tiering because, while they would love to have FPs for everything, they also recognize that some limits are necessary to allow more guests to have an opportunity to enjoy these popular attractions.

3. Don't care about riding one attraction more than once in a day.

4. Don't care about the 1 park per day limit, either because they never park hop in the first place or are satisfied using their FPs at their second park where they could never get FPs for popular attractions before.

5. Don't have any problem with onsite guests getting some perks that offsite guests don't get.

6. Like the fact that they can have 3 attractions lined up in advance without having to make an appearance at the attraction first.

7. Like the fact that they can choose their FP return times instead of being stuck with what happens to be available when they go to the FP machine.

8. Like the fact that they have at least a possibility to change their FP reservations if something comes up that precludes them from making the original time. Even if the original choice isn't available, something is usually better than nothing.

These are also facts. I don't think it is appropriate to accuse others who participate in these discussions of thinking that Disney can do no wrong just because they don't share their opinion that FP+ is a "big mess". I think you would agree that it works both ways. There are more and more posts on both sides as more people learn about the changes and experience them.
 
Seriously guys, it is clear you are just antagonizing each other now. Take it to pm or use the ignore button already. For all the concern about first timers, I doubt many would continue to read any of these threads in the first place because of all the personal bickering
 
Seriously guys, it is clear you are just antagonizing each other now. Take it to pm or use the ignore button already. For all the concern about first timers, I doubt many would continue to read any of these threads in the first place because of all the personal bickering
I agree. While I think that one side sounds more rational than the other (won't say which ;) ) is there any point in continuing this?
 
Planogirl said:
I've done it for a few (no one on this thread - I think) and it makes it easier.

Same here (also no one I've referenced in this thread), and it has made the board more enjoyable
 
If you have a matter that you feels requires moderator input please send us a PM. Do not post on the boards.
There are no rules being broken if posters have other identifies; unless it is to deceive, and frankly the Poirot brigade are becoming boring.

Please get back to discussing Theme Park strategies rather than each other ;)
 
Figured I'd ask here - If I miss a FP reservation and , don't use it but don't cancel, will I be able to book another in that park, or will the FP be "lost"?
 
Figured I'd ask here - If I miss a FP reservation and , don't use it but don't cancel, will I be able to book another in that park, or will the FP be "lost"?

Unlike with paper FP, with FP+ if you miss one of your reservations you can schedule another one to replace it subject, of course, to what is available at that time.
 
Unlike with paper FP, with FP+ if you miss one of your reservations you can schedule another one to replace it subject, of course, to what is available at that time.

Can you change it once it's time has already passed though, provided you didn't use it? Also, can you change it to another park in that situation too (assuming it was the 1st of 3)? I think that's what was being asked, I also am curious to know that too.
 
Can you change it once it's time has already passed though, provided you didn't use it? Also, can you change it to another park in that situation too (assuming it was the 1st of 3)? I think that's what was being asked, I also am curious to know that too.

The original question referred to "that park" which I took to mean the same park at which the original FP was held.

I didn't try to do much changing, but on our last trip we missed our first FP+ on arrival day because of flight delays. I had reservations for 6-7,7-8, and 8-9. After we used the other two, at about 8:30 I was able to change the first one (for TOT) at a park kiosk from 6-7 to 9:55-10:55.

Although I didn't try it this time, in November I was able to change a complete set of 3 from one park to a different park because I hadn't used any of them. It was my understanding that once you used one you were locked into that park.

If you do want to change parks, you have to do that through the app or at a kiosk at the second park. In park kiosks only handle FPs in that park, though maybe a CM with an iPad could help with changing parks. I never tried that.
 















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