Any news when DVC members can get an annual pass???

[Sandisw]

If they don’t offer new passes for another cycle , yet continue to renew existing passes a strong argument can be made that Disney is violating our contract by creating 2 classes of direct members.

No violation because the membership extras document is clear that the offer of an AP is up to the sole discretion of DPEP, and sales can be suspended at any time,

Plus, membership extras are not part of our contract. They are incidental benefits which can come and go at anytime. We are not legally required to have them Which is why they can limit resale buyers from accessing them.

 

[Chuck S]

If they don’t offer new passes for another cycle , yet continue to renew existing passes a strong argument can be made that Disney is violating our contract by creating 2 classes of direct members.

Perks are not guaranteed, and APs are not controlled by DVC. So I doubt you have any legal standing to protest. Parks could offer APs to any association or group they wish.

 

[Nursemanit]

Perks are not guaranteed, and APs are not controlled by DVC. So I doubt you have any legal standing to protest. Parks could offer APs to any association or group they wish.

You are offering a perk to some members but not others - if they took away passes altogether then you don’t have a case. But they are offering a perk to only some members and new members don’t have the option that prior members have. That is not permitted we have to have equal access to perks if we are both direct members.

 

[Nursemanit]

No violation because the membership extras document is clear that the offer of an AP is up to the sole discretion of DPEP, and sales can be suspended at any time,

Plus, membership extras are not part of our contract. They are incidental benefits which can come and go at anytime. We are not legally required to have them Which is why they can limit resale buyers from accessing them.

The courts don’t care about internal cooperation divisions that are wholly owned. They consider them one cooperation.

 

[CarolMN]

You are offering a perk to some members but not others - if they took away passes altogether then you don’t have a case. But they are offering a perk to only some members and new members don’t have the option that prior members have. That is not permitted we have to have equal access to perks if we are both direct members.

No one may buy a Sorcerers or Incredipass AP at this time. Doesn't matter if one is DVC or not. There is no AP perk available to anyone right now.

Anyone, DVC or not, may renew their AP. Renewing has nothing to do with DVC. The only criteria is having an AP that is about to expire.

 

[Chuck S]

You are offering a perk to some members but not others - if they took away passes altogether then you don’t have a case. But they are offering a perk to only some members and new members don’t have the option that prior members have. That is not permitted we have to have equal access to perks if we are both direct members.

Actually, no,. They could offer them to direct purchasers that bought only in 1992 to 1993, for instance. And now Disney Parks are offering them to direct members that already had an existing AP in the form of a renewal. No other members, direct or not, can buy a new AP. Our DUES do not pay for the perks and discounts. If they did, you may have a case, but they do not.

 

[DL1WDW2]

I just think if you sell DVC points--there should be a way for people to make more than one trip a year. Can't they use their creative genius to give DVC members a modified pass or punch card (good for example 20-30 days in a year) at a discount. I see where this issue is keeping people from buying into DVC--so not a good business decision.

I agree that we should start a letter writing campaign, anyone know to whom or where?

Jut ask to take a tour and then let the Sales Guide know you would be interested if they offered AP…if enough of us did this The Guides would definitely discuss at next meeting . Or attend the Annual DVC Member Association Meeting in December every year and get huge applause when you voice this Perk .

 

[Sandisw]

The courts don’t care about internal cooperation divisions that are wholly owned. They consider them one cooperation.

Maybe so, but the point is that the incidental benefits are not part of your contract and you are not guaranteed to them.

The membership extras document provides the terms and it says that if DPEP is selling APs, we may, from time to time, be offered them. Nothing requires any division of Disney to give DVC owners something.

DVD gets to set the rules for who is and is not eligible for perks and why, as I said, they can restrict resale buyers. It’s why it’s defined in FL timeshare law that they can not be paid for by dues, etc. and must be things voluntary, etc.

Right now, there is no AP for sale…so all direct owners can not purchase…renewing a pass that one already bought is completely seperate..

We are simply not entitled to any such perk or product and while you can say that courts don’t care, they still look at the terms and conditions and the deal we have as DVC owners is with DPEP…negotiated by DVD…and that we are told upfront that access to an AP may not happen if they decide not to offer, or suspend the product…that is the key….

 

[Sandisw]

Jut ask to take a tour and then let the Sales Guide know you would be interested if they offered AP…if enough of us did this The Guides would definitely discuss at next meeting . Or attend the Annual DVC Member Association Meeting in December every year and get huge applause when you voice this Perk .

Plenty have, and plenty do. Do you really believe that if they, DVD, could get APs to be offered to DVC owners, especially to new buyers as a way to close the sale, they wouldn’t be available.

They are not because, ultimately, whether people want to accept it or not, the division that sells the tickets is not willing to sell them to any group, with the exception of the Pixie pass to FL residents.

 

[Nursemanit]

Right now, there is no AP for sale…so all direct owners can not purchase…renewing a pass that one already bought is completely seperate..

But direct owners who have passes can purchase them at a Floridian rate a significant discount - New owners can’t

 

[Brian Noble]

Interesting article:

The Problem With Pixie Dust at Walt Disney World

Yep. This is why, for example, waking Tink or riding Barnstormer with Goofy were quaint customs that turned into elbow-throwing free-for-alls.

 

[Nursemanit]

Anyone, DVC or not, may renew their AP. Renewing has nothing to do with DVC. The only criteria is having an AP that is about to expire.

I would argue that there is no difference between a renewal and a purchase- some can purchase and some can’t

Some members are getting a not insignificant perk that others are not. That discrepancy is the issue. As I said if no one got the discount then it is not a problem.

 

[Sandisw]

But direct owners who have passes can purchase them at a Floridian rate - he set a discount - New owners can’t

Any person, DVC or not, can renew a pass that was bought when the product existed for new sales. So, while you may see it as the same, it is not…they are simply allowing one to use a product they bought when they were on sale. It’s like those with non expiring tickers bought years ago. We can’t buy them now, but those peoole still get to use the product as is.

Now, could they stop renewals? Sure, but they have chosen not to do that.

The fact that new buyers can’t even get one is irreverent because they buy understanding this….it’s right there in the document they sign….you are not entitled to it…even says don’t buy expecting any membership extra or perk,

Again, the AP is not a DVC product….while we are fortunate that they decided years ago to offer DVC owners the Gold, now Sorcerer pass, that mimics one of the the FL resident passes, it still doesn’t mean we have any right to be allowed to purchase them, when they don’t exist for sale.…we are no different because we are DVC than the non DVC guest.

 

[sharkyandbones]

But direct owners who have passes can purchase them at a Floridian rate a significant discount - New owners can’t

As can non-owners. You're merging 2 unrelated groups - DVC owners and folks that can purchase APs.

 

[Nursemanit]

Any person, DVC or not, can renew a pass that was bought when the product existed for new sales. So, while you may see it as the same, it is not…they are simply allowing one to use a product they bought when they were on sale. It’s like those with non expiring tickers bought years ago. We can’t buy them now, but those peoole still get to use the product as is.

The fact that new buyers can’t even get one is irreverent because they buy understanding this….it’s right there in the document they sign….you are not entitled to it…even says don’t buy expecting any membership extra or perk,

Again, the AP is not a DVC product….while we are fortunate that they decided years ago to offer DVC owners the Gold, now Sorcerer pass, that mimics one of the the FL resident passes, it still doesn’t mean we have any right to be allowed to purchase them, when they don’t exist for sale.

You keep getting caught up in meaningless corporate divisions - Disney is giving a discount ( letting you buy passes at a local rate ) to a subset of Dvc members but not all of them.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I would argue that there is no difference between a renewal and a purchase- some can purchase and some can’t

Some members are getting a not insignificant perk that others are not. That discrepancy is the issue. As I said if no one got the discount then it is not a problem.

I don't think there's anything contractually wrong with it. However I do find it to be an odd decision on the part of the Theme Parks. Also blows the theory apart that Disney hated AP's at DL and wanted to abolish them since that's the one place they have reopened sales a couple of times. And of course even at WDW they are selling the cheapest pass to FL residents.

 

[Sandisw]

You keep getting caught up in meaningless corporate divisions - Disney is giving a discount ( letting you buy passes at a local rate ) to a subset of Dvc members but not all of them.

And, per the rules of the membership program, they have the right to do that. They can suspend the offerings of the sales of APs…but still offer renewals if they want to.

That seems to be the point you are missing…the terms and conditions of the actual program which you are citing as a reason they can’t do it, which is the first place any court would look…what is the contract and what does it say.

Agree to disagree.

ETA. Also, renewing passes has nothing to do with being DVC…we get to renew because we are passholders. Same as DVC owners who live in FL…they get an AP, not because they are DVC, but because they are FL residents.

 

[Skywalker3]

Still waiting......have to use some DVC points that can't be banked, and now resigned to either 1-2 days at spring break, if we can get a SSR room, just to go to Disney Springs, or a quick early summer trip, again, either only going to Disney springs, and other Orlando sites, or maybe 1 or 2 days at WDW. We bought resale in 2011, only dealt w an actual guide once, and were never under any illusions of most of the perks, or sales pitch. We know things come and go at Disney all the time. But we never thought we'd not be allowed to buy ANY AP. I'm resigned to not even getting a discount on AP, just let us buy. Not having APs is changing everything we do now w DVC and Disney.

 

[Brian Noble]

have to use some DVC points that can't be banked

The rental market is a little dicey right now, but you could also consider putting a confirmed reservation up for rent.

 

[Nursemanit]

As can non-owners. You're merging 2 unrelated groups - DVC owners and folks that can purchase APs.

No only dvc owners can purchase ap at a discount.

The general public can not