Annoyed with my ex..Child support related (long)

OP, your first post made your husband sound like a decent guy who can't pay because he is now unemployed. Your most recent post makes him sound like a lazy jerk, so I don't really know which it is.

If he is a lazy jerk trying to get out of child support then give it to him with both barrels.

If he is a decent guy going through hard times then show a little compassion and forgive the money that you don't need.

Also, I don't understand why a court would throw him in jail for being unable to pay. I didn't think they had debtor's prisons anymore. I mean, if a custodial parent falls on hard times and can't provide much, they are not thrown in jail. Seems unfair to me.

For the record I have been in neither position.

I was thinking *maybe* he would go to jail not for being unable to pay, but unwilling. He is making "under the table" earnings. Still goes against the grain of being able to pay at all, but maybe the threat is there to get him into gear. I don't know.
 
OK after reading more into the replies I am going to point out a few things. When we went to court he had a job. He later got fired from the job. Those deluxe vacations you want to talk about were DVC vacations thorugh my inlaws. The first one in 2004 was gifted to my husband and I from my inlaws. We paid not one dime for that trip. Work work very hard to save for those vacations and have not been able to take one in 2 years. Not a big deal.

Honestly the money isn't that big a deal, I am mor eupset that he is placing blame on me. I actually offered to clear his debt back in September but when i told him it would be a one time thing he got uspet with me. Started yelling at me. Uh sorry if that doesn't make me want to be a bit more charitable. As for the "extra" nights he takes them...its one extra night a month if that and mostly its becuase my son wants to go there not because I need or want him too. He really loves spending time with his grandmother. My ex has lived with his family since I met him 12 years ago, he has never lived on his own.

The child support was figured as both of us having a full time job that paid minimum wage, I was unemployed at the time and he was working 30 hours a week. I did not want it raised but they have to do it based on their formula. Yes I thought it ironic that he brought me to court and yet all it did was the opposite of what he wanted. (wrong probably but at the time I was very stressed about being taken to court)

I do NOT want him to go to jail. And I will probably be calling our officer on Monday to see if there is anything I can do. I was just venting on here because I was frustrated with the fact that it seemed like some people in my life thinks its up to me to fix somethinghe should have fixed himself.

He did not get uneployment because he was fired. After he lost that job he got another job then decided to walk out and not go back because he wasn't getting enough hours. Later he talked to his managers and it was a one week thing and he should have talked to her before he just decided to walk out and not go back. He hasn't worked since he walked out on that job.

Good response OP!

Sometimes these things can't be let go.

My DH paid his ex wife through the state for a yr or so due to some state program she was in . One month she needed extra help and we gave her about 500.00 directly to her because she needed it immediately on top of what we sent to the state.

She tried to get the state to forgive part of the next months payment, but they wouldnt stop it even with her proof of us giving her extra.
She had no say so in what we paid and how it was paid to her.

I am a stepmother of a great 20 yr old. We wrote our last check to mom a cpl of years ago. ( still help him directly with school etc. )

You would think I would be bitter about all that money we have given her over the years.. but I am not. She needed help raising him and we were happy to do it. We also helped extra when we could. When times were tough she let us pay late or less once she finally managed to get it away from state.

A person that is paid under the table is taking money away from their child. I have known many a person that if just like the op's ex. He might have lost his job and while I understand that times are tough.. he needs to take a bit of that under the table money and pay up BEFORE the situation goes to court. Sounds as if the OP would be happy with ANYTHING.
 
The unpaying parents will be threatened with jail time as it's considered a contempt of a court order; as it should be.

And be it my-ex as I wrote about previously or some other dead beat parent- sometimes it takes the threat of incarceration to get some non-paying parents to pay up-men or women.
 
OP, your first post made your husband sound like a decent guy who can't pay because he is now unemployed. Your most recent post makes him sound like a lazy jerk, so I don't really know which it is.

If he is a lazy jerk trying to get out of child support then give it to him with both barrels.

If he is a decent guy going through hard times then show a little compassion and forgive the money that you don't need.

Also, I don't understand why a court would throw him in jail for being unable to pay. I didn't think they had debtor's prisons anymore. I mean, if a custodial parent falls on hard times and can't provide much, they are not thrown in jail. Seems unfair to me.

For the record I have been in neither position.

I have seen decent kind loving fathers out there.. but very lazy at the same time.

My best friends ex, loves his kids. Buys them useless presents and spends time with them . Works under the table and very rarely gives her money. He spends quite a bit of time in jail because of it, usually will end up tossing a cpl of hundred dollars at her and they let him out for a year or so till it all catches back up with him.

SHe makes about 48 k a year, works hard but still struggles a bit to make ends meet. Nothing big, but the girls cant take dance or gymnastics because Daddy won't help.

If he even paid her 50.00 a month he would avoid jail time, but he wont even do that until forced. She would honestly be happy with just the effort.

Sounds kinda like what the op is going through.. just pay something!!
 

I don't see how OP can expect her ex-husband to make his regular child support payments if he isn't working, or even just a part-time "payment under the table" kind of job. The man has to make a living for himself too. If he's completely jobless and homeless, or in jail, how does she expect him to make any kind of payment then? Seems to me she could work with him a little during this rough time. What if it was the other way around? Wouldn't she want him to be a little lenient with her on the payments? Sticky situation I guess, but like someone else said you can't get blood out of a turnip.
She offerred to forgive the past due amount. He yelled at her. You really feel pleasant toward people who yell at you when you are tring to help them. She also called the "friend of court" and said she didn't want him arrested and yet he is still blaming her. I don't get how people think she is being difficult about this.

OK after reading more into the replies I am going to point out a few things. When we went to court he had a job. He later got fired from the job. Those deluxe vacations you want to talk about were DVC vacations thorugh my inlaws. The first one in 2004 was gifted to my husband and I from my inlaws. We paid not one dime for that trip. Work work very hard to save for those vacations and have not been able to take one in 2 years. Not a big deal.

Honestly the money isn't that big a deal, I am mor eupset that he is placing blame on me. I actually offered to clear his debt back in September but when i told him it would be a one time thing he got uspet with me. Started yelling at me. Uh sorry if that doesn't make me want to be a bit more charitable. As for the "extra" nights he takes them...its one extra night a month if that and mostly its becuase my son wants to go there not because I need or want him too. He really loves spending time with his grandmother. My ex has lived with his family since I met him 12 years ago, he has never lived on his own.

The child support was figured as both of us having a full time job that paid minimum wage, I was unemployed at the time and he was working 30 hours a week. I did not want it raised but they have to do it based on their formula. Yes I thought it ironic that he brought me to court and yet all it did was the opposite of what he wanted. (wrong probably but at the time I was very stressed about being taken to court)

I do NOT want him to go to jail. And I will probably be calling our officer on Monday to see if there is anything I can do. I was just venting on here because I was frustrated with the fact that it seemed like some people in my life thinks its up to me to fix somethinghe should have fixed himself.

He did not get uneployment because he was fired. After he lost that job he got another job then decided to walk out and not go back because he wasn't getting enough hours. Later he talked to his managers and it was a one week thing and he should have talked to her before he just decided to walk out and not go back. He hasn't worked since he walked out on that job.
IMO it was perfectly clear from your first post that you were frustrated with his attitude much more than the money situation. I commend you for coming back to this thread when people were being so outright rude to you without knowing your story.

It was just a vent people. Good grief.
 
She offerred to forgive the past due amount. He yelled at her. You really feel pleasant toward people who yell at you when you are tring to help them. She also called the "friend of court" and said she didn't want him arrested and yet he is still blaming her. I don't get how people think she is being difficult about this.


IMO it was perfectly clear from your first post that you were frustrated with his attitude much more than the money situation. I commend you for coming back to this thread when people were being so outright rude to you without knowing your story.

It was just a vent people. Good grief.

Me too.
 
You shouldn't have to justify your vacations with your family. You are already spending a ton on the kids, between extra housing size, food, loss in terms of career potential (people without kids make more money), etc etc etc. Besides if you took the kids really he should have helped...travel makes a more rounded person and I personally consider it part of parenting to expose my children to more of the world than just our region. You don't have to be starving, or a single mom living cheque to cheque for you CHILDREN to deserve some help from their father.
 
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After a lengthy attack on the OP someone commented about Dr.Laura. My DH used to listen to her a lot and she would say..

1. It is between him and the court, don't let him guilt trip you.
2.Unfortunately it sounds like you chose to procreate with a deadbeat and we shouldn't let it disappoint us when deadbeats act like deadbeats. Be grateful for the DH you have, if the court gets the money out of him fine, if not let it go. Nothing you can do.
3. Don't discuss it with your mother anymore.
 
I don't see how OP can expect her ex-husband to make his regular child support payments if he isn't working, or even just a part-time "payment under the table" kind of job. The man has to make a living for himself too. If he's completely jobless and homeless, or in jail, how does she expect him to make any kind of payment then? Seems to me she could work with him a little during this rough time. What if it was the other way around? Wouldn't she want him to be a little lenient with her on the payments? Sticky situation I guess, but like someone else said you can't get blood out of a turnip.

I totally agree with this.
 
OP, you haven't done anything wrong. This is between your ex and the court. YOU didn't go to the court, you haven't been after him for the money, you aren't the one expecting him to make payments, you didn't have anything to do with this. YOU don't have to fix anything.
 
I think that a couple of women in this thread might be married to men who owe child support to their ex's and are resentful. :confused3



The OP has been picked apart pretty badly and I wish her luck with her decision. It's not an easy one.

:teacher:

OK after reading more into the replies I am going to point out a few things. When we went to court he had a job. He later got fired from the job. Those deluxe vacations you want to talk about were DVC vacations thorugh my inlaws. The first one in 2004 was gifted to my husband and I from my inlaws. We paid not one dime for that trip. Work work very hard to save for those vacations and have not been able to take one in 2 years. Not a big deal.

Honestly the money isn't that big a deal, I am mor eupset that he is placing blame on me. I actually offered to clear his debt back in September but when i told him it would be a one time thing he got uspet with me. Started yelling at me. Uh sorry if that doesn't make me want to be a bit more charitable. As for the "extra" nights he takes them...its one extra night a month if that and mostly its becuase my son wants to go there not because I need or want him too. He really loves spending time with his grandmother. My ex has lived with his family since I met him 12 years ago, he has never lived on his own.

The child support was figured as both of us having a full time job that paid minimum wage, I was unemployed at the time and he was working 30 hours a week. I did not want it raised but they have to do it based on their formula. Yes I thought it ironic that he brought me to court and yet all it did was the opposite of what he wanted. (wrong probably but at the time I was very stressed about being taken to court)

I do NOT want him to go to jail. And I will probably be calling our officer on Monday to see if there is anything I can do. I was just venting on here because I was frustrated with the fact that it seemed like some people in my life thinks its up to me to fix somethinghe should have fixed himself.

He did not get uneployment because he was fired. After he lost that job he got another job then decided to walk out and not go back because he wasn't getting enough hours. Later he talked to his managers and it was a one week thing and he should have talked to her before he just decided to walk out and not go back. He hasn't worked since he walked out on that job.


He wants you to drop his support completely IMO. It's his problem not yours. Let his mommy keep him out of jail...not your problem
 
OP, you have done what you could...vent away. In my opinion I would let the courts throw his sorry butt in jail. It is time he grew up and this sounds like a great lessson. His parents should be throwing his butt on the street instead of enabling their son!!

You have a child, you pay, and I am glad the courts are finally stepping up in some cases! Wish they had done that with my ex....my ex never paid a dime he owed, and they never went after him. My ex's picture is in the dictionary under dead-bead :rotfl:.

Thankfully with the help of my mom and my current DH, my sons are now grown up responsible men!
 
I'll just chime in and say that I live on both sides of the support divide, my DH pays and I recieve from ex's. In the state we live in a mother CANNOT legally give up her rights to support (I know a woman that's soon to be ex wanted her to do so in her divorce decree) Support is for the child, not the mother. Also GA has a new program that DOES give dads a bit of a break on their support for men that truly spend more time with their children (half time) but MOST sates have not adopted this yet. GA/AL also MAKES NCPs pay through paycheck deduction. It's mandatory on all orders now.

I was owed $12 K at one point. He was remarried and working, but simply did not want to pay. Later on, it caught up to him when he was in a bad situation, facing hard times. He filed bankruptcy (which he SHOULD NOT have been allowed to do) but it was the type you pay back. So the court couldn't punish him on the back support. Then he was given other breaks, and stopped paying the current. He ended up in jail right before Christmas. Did I feel badly for him? Yes. Was it my fault? Absolutely not. I did okay without his support, but there was so much more my children could have when he paid (ballet lessons, sports lessons, lots of extras) Were those things necessary? No, but my children deserve TWO parents that support them, just as my step children do.

Would I have EVER forgiven his past due support? No. Even if I didn't need it, my children deserve it. That money could go to their college funds, or even to take them places, allow them to do things they couldn't do otherwise. Would I feel bad about going on deluxe vacations while my ex husband struggled? Not a bit, would he feel bad for doing the same thing to me? No. He makes his choices and I make mine, I will not suffer for his poor choices.

He made a choice to have children, and he can help support them. He lived it up for over a year while not paying.


As for this situation, sorry, if he's getting paid under the table than he can take some of that money to pay his support.
 
Looks like some people need to rinse the bitter out of their mouth. There is some major conclusion jumping and speculation that is frankly no one's business on here.

OP, if you are still around why not see what kind of deal could be made? You did say that your ex does see your son and is good with him. I know that just seeing him isn't enough. He isn't following through with total parenting which is also financial contribution which especially includes health insurance and I'd be pissed too. Is there some compromise that could be found? Force his hand on the health insurance and then freeze what he owes or something?

I personally wouldn't listen to my mother and I wouldn't listen to my ex. I would talk things over with my current husband, who is taking the responsibility that the other father should be doing, and I would think about the relationship with my son and his father. Some things are more important than money no doubt but there is also a responsibility to be a total parent and not just when it's good for someone. Good luck to you.

I totally agree!

I am not going to judge the OP or any of the other DISers who've posted a reply here, but I will say that I am in a sort-of-similar position as the OP, but with some differences since my DSs are older now.

My DSs are now adults (ages 21 and 18) however both of them still rely on DH and I, fully. (My DH is not their father, by the way).

DS21 has had some very serious mental health issues (I've posted about this within the last few months) and lives with us; we provide everything for him while he's on the road to better health. (We pay within reason; all of his basic neccesities are covered here, plus we cover his doctor co-pays and medications, and give him a few $ in gas money for doctor appts and job-hunting). My first EX payed child support faithfully but that ended when DS dropped out of college. Legally, that was his right, however my DH and I continue to support him for the reasons stated, and we realize that this is OUR choice and while it'd be nice if my EX paid a little towards DS21's expenses, we realize that he is not obligated to do so. DS21 may start taking a college course or two in January, and if he does, we will pay for the class and his books. One step/class at a time with him. :)

Now on to DS18. He just graduated high school in June and has been going to university full time (and doing pretty well. :) ). He works around 20 hours per weekend at a restaurant near his school. My EX #2 has become physically disabled in the last couple of years and he and his wife (they have no other kids, she had none previously, and they had none together) manage to get by on his disability which is substantially less than what he made while working, and her job in a nursing home. They contribute a small amount to DSs living expenses, but DH and I are paying fully for his college education (tuition, books, gas since he's a commuter). EX#2 does send a few $$ here and there, when he can, to help DS18 pay for his car insurance, or whatever. I think that's awesome, and so does my DH.

My point in all this is to say that I'm EXTREMELY GRATEFUL to have a DH who is NOT the father of my DSs who has been willing to pay for things for us (I was a SAHM for 18 years, 9 1/2 of which were while married to DH) even though is not legally obligated to in any way, shape, or form. If it weren't for my DH, then my DS21 would be on the street or in a hospital setting, and DS18 would be racking up students loans. (DH and I believe in avoiding student loans if at all possible!).

Now having said all of THAT, I want to say that there is no way in hell I'd ever have either of my EXes put in jail for nonpayment of child support, in MY situation. I've felt that my DSs relationship with their father was AS important as their relationship with me. I honestly don't see how going to jail would ever HELP a non-paying parent; and certainly would hurt the parent/child relationship. Unless the thought of jail would be the motivating factor to make the parent find SOME way to come up with child support. But the OP said her EX wasn't a bad guy...so I don't know if that's the reason, in this case. :confused3

IF I would've been a struggling single mom on my own and was receiving no child support, I'd be upset if I felt that my EX wasn't doing enough to provide it, and I've have to persue things further simply to exsist. However, from what I've read here, both myself AND the OP have a DH who is able to, and does/did, provide for us and our children from previous marriages. In this case, why NOT be lenient, for the sake of the relationship between child and father. :confused3 The OP's situation is what it is; her EX should've been looking for more stable work for the past year, but the fact is, he hasn't. You have to deal with the present.
 
The OP is not "HAVING her ex put in jail." She doesn't have anything to do with that. :confused:

The only thing she isn't doing is asking the court to deny her kids their support indefinitely. She offered to do it for the overdue 3K of their support and her offer was apparently turned down by the ex because he wants it suspended indefinitely.
 
Thanks Kat! I DO NOT want him to go to jail. I don't know how many times I can type it. But I am not the law.
 
The OP is not "HAVING her ex put in jail." She doesn't have anything to do with that. :confused:

The only thing she isn't doing is asking the court to deny her kids their support indefinitely. She offered to do it for the overdue 3K of their support and her offer was apparently turned down by the ex because he wants it suspended indefinitely.

I understand this, and I didn't actually say that the OP was "having her ex put in jail"; I realize that I used that term though, to describe how I'd feel in a similar situation. I should've said it differently and said, "If there was anything that *I* could do to keep my ex out of jail, I would've done it".

Again, this is HER life, and we don't have all of the details. Who knows, maybe the guy really is not making a true effort to get employment and pay child support like he SHOULD be paying. Maybe the threat of jail will knock a jolt into him and make him take action. :confused3
 
Thanks Kat! I DO NOT want him to go to jail. I don't know how many times I can type it. But I am not the law.

There's nothing you can at this point to prevent it? Has it gone on so long that they'll pick him up no matter what you say or do? (I don't mean this to sound sarcastic, I realize that sometimes things can go on so far and then it's out of anyone's power to change the outcome). If so, then it truly is up to him to help himself now. All I know for sure is that you said that your son will miss out on spending time with his father if he goes to jail, and THAT'S why I made my comment about, if it was in my power, to NOT allow my EX to go to jail. :confused3
 
I understand your frustration and need to vent. By all means, get it off your chest.

But realize this: all you're really doing is condemning the man to having a prison record where it'll be difficult, if not impossible, to get a job in this economy. You will never get your money. You're merely punishing someone for leaving you, even after you've remarried and can obviously provide support for your child regardless of whether he pays you the child support or not.

You ask why doesn't your mother realize how you and your current husband had to struggle for months to put food on the table and pay bills, buy medication, etc. It's clear that your struggle is now behind you while your ex's struggle has been happening for over a year. And now you're going to make that struggle even harder, clearly indicating that you've learned nothing from your own struggle except how to get even with someone you think had some kind of a hand in your own struggle.

As I said before, vent all you want. The only lives you are impacting now are your ex's, your son's (when the ex decides not to see him anymore because of what you are doing to him), and, eventually, your current husband who sees how easy it is for you to crush someone you once said you loved under your heel.

Wth? Where did you come up with this?
 





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