American Idol Top 4 Idol Chatter and Idle Chatter

[TruBlu]

And he needs to take those ROLLED UP SOCKS out of there.

I love Adam, but I have to agree... I think there was some enhancement going on!

 

[marymrg]

I can never figure out why American viewers are OK with seeing tons of gruesome murders, serial killing, rape, torture etc. on 100s of evening TV shows, yet they freak when any nudity or sexually sugestive behaviour is shown.


Priceless!

Actually, if you look at the ratings for network news, I think many Americans are turned off by the "tabloid turn" they have taken. Other than tuning in for the occasional weather report, I can't even recall the last time I watched an entire local or national news broadcast. But, then again, it's the same story here every night. Fire, shooting on the East side, DWI/fight with a pro athlete, right Nancy? (we are from the same general area)

So, I don't freak over any of it. I just don't watch. Plus, I get all my breaking news from the CB here.

 

[marymrg]

I think they should change it to one vote for however number of contestants left, like DWTS. So for top 10 you get 10 votes, for top 3 you get three votes. I have said this every year but obviously the show just does not read this board!!!

I guess AT&T makes a ton of money off it? Does AT&T also financially support the winner when they win? Not sure I understand exactly what the agreement is between AT&T and Idol.

AT&T is a major sponsor. AI loves to boast about vote totals so I don't see them limiting votes in any way.

 

[damo]

AT&T is a major sponsor. AI loves to boast about vote totals so I don't see them limiting votes in any way.

So, they probably have had a contract with the show since the beginning?

Even if the voting rules were different this year, I still think Kris would have won. I think the elimination order may have been a bit different though. People would also have strategized a bit differently.



Adam's response when asked to comment about the Clay thing:

"Yeah, I dont know what that was about but hey, he made some headlines; I was happy to help him out".

 

[Cmbar]

Wow, I haven't been on in a while.


I am surprised to see the "only one person gets to vote threads" Why in the world would we want that? We all have equal time to vote as much as we want. The only way your guy doesn't get enough votes is if they didn't have enough people voting as many times for him as the other guy. Why is that unfair? It isn't like they gave Arkansas 7 hours to vote and California 2. Why can't the Adam lovers just stop with this "it ain't fair he didn't win". stuff. And how in the world could you possibly assume that if everyone had one vote that Adam would have won? Why in the world would you assume that? I'm sorry but he just wasn't all that. Only the judges and the media loved him beyond ridiculous. The rest of us meaningless americans only liked him some and most of us got sick of hearing all the hype about him.

I think of it this way. The two guys were so different there really was no way of saying one was better than the other. But if you watched the finale you saw two totally different artists. When Adam got up and looked totally natural in his Kiss getup with those stupid looking old men dressed up in painted faces, I realized there is no way he can win. This is his style - over the top. And he is VERY good at it. But he is NOT mainstream. Kris has a broader appeal and that is why he won, not because Adam is gay.

Sure there were those narrow minded people who said don't vote for him because he is gay, but there are equally as many over the top gay activist who said you have to vote for him to be the first gay idol. I say those people were the extremes on both end and that the more mainstream STYLE won out. Again to say that Adam is better than Kris or that Kris is better than Adam is silly.

Sorry I say lets all keep being able to vote as much as we want. I wouldn't watch the show if that was the case. How deflating to be able to only vote 11 times the whole year. Can you imagine having the the top 10 and having to pick just one person to vote for. That would be boring!

 

[Tx_Belle]

Why can't the Adam lovers just stop with this "it ain't fair he didn't win". stuff. And how in the world could you possibly assume that if everyone had one vote that Adam would have won? Why in the world would you assume that? I'm sorry but he just wasn't all that.

You took the words straight out of my mouth.

And who cares if he did win/didn't win? If there's enough interest in him in the long run, he'll be successful and his fans will be happy. Winning AI doesn't necessarily = instant success.

 

[TwinsinCA]

The one vote per phone number will never happen. There are too many families that share phone lines. And then people will argue that people who don't have money for a cell and landline will be at a disadvantage, etc. I just don't see that happening.

The night of the voting it seemed as those of us on the west coast had a MUCH easier time getting through than those of you back east. I literally got through nearly 1000 times and some of you said you only got in a few votes. There are a LOT fewer people in this time zone. Since Adam is from out here, that might have given him an advantage. People in Kris's hometown had to compete with the entire Eastern and Central time zones when trying to get in votes.

The new Idolatries are up if anyone is interested. Right now it is in 5 parts. Three of those review the finale, one part has them talking to Jessie Langseth and another where they talk to Ricky Braddy. Michael's bright red hair suits him.

The interviews with Kris, Adam, and Danny will be up later in the week. All of them should be really interesting.

 

[marymrg]

In the past, I know they had a relationship with Cingular which I think was bought out by AT&T.


I think Danny and Adam probably started out with relatively large fanbases with Adam having the slight edge. Since AI was really pushing a Gokey/Lambert Finale, they probably envisioned some kind of "opposites" theme. As the season progressed, they probably knew "by the numbers" that Adam's best chance of winning was by beating Danny since they were probably either number one or two most nights. But as long as the producers got the finale they wanted, the actual winner really didn't matter. (much like the David vs. David finale last year)

But, instead of Danny or Adam garnering all of the "castoff" votes, Kris was slowly but surely grabbing more and more. They did all they could to get rid of Kris during Top 4 night. When Kris made top 3, I think they (the powers that be) knew that was a snowball they couldn't stop. Plus, throw in the "scream heard round the world" and Danny's fate was sealed.

This season may have played out differently if Nigel was the producer instead of Ken Warwick. I know they always try to manipulate things, but this year it seemed more in your face right from the beginning. I felt all season that it became more about the judges and less about the singing.

But, I'll still tune in next year. It's the show that I love to hate because of the payoff at the end. We get to witness an unknown's journey to stardom. If it's an exceptional year, we may even see more than one potential superstar. (Allison) I think I am channeling EW's Michael Slezak here.

ps - the finale idolatries are up.

 

[Cmbar]

In the past, I know they had a relationship with Cingular which I think was bought out by AT&T.


I think Danny and Adam probably started out with relatively large fanbases with Adam having the slight edge. Since AI was really pushing a Gokey/Lambert Finale, they probably envisioned some kind of "opposites" theme. As the season progressed, they probably knew "by the numbers" that Adam's best chance of winning was by beating Danny since they were probably either number one or two most nights. But as long as the producers got the finale they wanted, the actual winner really didn't matter. (much like the David vs. David finale last year)

But, instead of Danny or Adam garnering all of the "castoff" votes, Kris was slowly but surely grabbing more and more. They did all they could to get rid of Kris during Top 4 night. When Kris made top 3, I think they (the powers that be) knew that was a snowball they couldn't stop. Plus, throw in the "scream heard round the world" and Danny's fate was sealed.

I agree with all of this, especially that they tried to get rid of Kris on Top 4 night. They were really hoping Allison would knock Kris off. You could see that by them introducing the new "duets" on ROCK night, yeah! It was really bad. They were really hoping for Allison to get through that. But she didn't because she was in direct competition with Adam fans. They appealed to the same crowd and the Adam fans had been scared the week before by Adam landing in the bottom two.

The main thing that bothers me about the "adam should have won" or "adam was robbed" crowd is that if anyone had an unfair advantage the entire season it was Adam. (not of his own making)

He had the judges hypervenitlating over him, Kara and Paula both having on screen Orgasms (sorry that is what it looked like) and Simon actually asking people to vote for him. Not to mention that Adam got to go last a large number of times and had Celebrity guest (Elvis meets snow white) wearing his name on their capes and being on the front cover of magazines. You could not have set up the guy any better to win, but in the end he still didn't win and the Adam fans are still crying foul.

It really wasn't hard to figure out who was going to win with only a million separating them between Adam and Kris on top 3. That vote count was 88 million and you knew Danny had to at the very least get a 1/4 of the votes that week. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Kris had the advantage. There were not going to be many fans of Danny's soulful singing that all of a sudden decided they liked Adam's style. Kris had it won after Danny got kicked out. Even Adam knew that. Now I would really like to know the breakdown of the votes. I really do suspect it was a bit of a landslide and the show does not want to publicize how far off the judges were. Because if it was close why would they not give the guys that information. I do know that on the east coast I could not vote for Kris more than 20 times in 2.5 hours. After that I got through each time. Don't know what happened out there in California except to assume that they just weren't interested.

 

[damo]

I agree with all of this, especially that they tried to get rid of Kris on Top 4 night. They were really hoping Allison would knock Kris off. You could see that by them introducing the new "duets" on ROCK night, yeah! It was really bad. They were really hoping for Allison to get through that. But she didn't because she was in direct competition with Adam fans. They appealed to the same crowd and the Adam fans had been scared the week before by Adam landing in the bottom two.

The main thing that bothers me about the "adam should have won" or "adam was robbed" crowd is that if anyone had an unfair advantage the entire season it was Adam. (not of his own making)

He had the judges hypervenitlating over him, Kara and Paula both having on screen Orgasms (sorry that is what it looked like) and Simon actually asking people to vote for him. Not to mention that Adam got to go last a large number of times and had Celebrity guest (Elvis meets snow white) wearing his name on their capes and being on the front cover of magazines. You could not have set up the guy any better to win, but in the end he still didn't win and the Adam fans are still crying foul.

I think that attention is a complete disadvantage. People tend to vote for the underdog.

 

[Camicar]

Sorry I say lets all keep being able to vote as much as we want. I wouldn't watch the show if that was the case. How deflating to be able to only vote 11 times the whole year. Can you imagine having the the top 10 and having to pick just one person to vote for. That would be boring!

Well, see, it is the opposite for me. I don't watch for the fun of voting a million times. In fact, I never voted prior to this year. I watched so I would know what folks were talking about, for the fun of hideous auditions and for the occasional decent musical moment. This year I had not been planning on watching it at all because I'd found it increasingly boring over the years -- until I caught Adam Lambert in the auditions and immediately thought, "STAR! Who is this and how can I get more of him?"

I won't be watching AI again because my previous minor frustration that the winner is by no means the most talented performer has been deepened into bitterness by how very clear it's become that the winner is the one with the fan base which knows how to stuff the ballot box and which has a corporate sponsor helping them, as well as by how many people I heard who chose to vote against Adam even though they felt he deserved it because he was favored to win. So let's punish the performer because TPTB and the media liked him? Okeydokey.

Certainly thru the years I have often wondered if the judges were watching the same show I was. That disconnect is in part due to the fact that taste is inherently personal and in part because the judges do have favorites for other reasons (mostly in Simon's case for financial reasons). I've also seen that there is often a backlash against their favoritism (which IMO accounts for them not hammering Danny for his Scream On debacle). So we now have people in the last 2 seasons who voted against a worthy contestant to get revenge on the judges or on the media. I see that behavior as being akin to a grade schooler sticking out their tongue and saying, "So THERE!" It's become tiresome to be any part of this voting process.

I have no problem with the judges giving honest appraisals of the performances they see/hear. If the judges truly felt Adam was the best, should they not say so? I mean, Paula said that at his audition, long before they could have come up with some plan to crown him the chosen one. If the judges are not supposed to give their critiques for fear of influencing the vote one way or the other, then let's do away with them entirely.

At this point, I think the show has become so problematic that if I were the producers I'd be doing a huge overhaul. And I'd start with the voting system which is tarnishing a wonderful guy's win. (I wanted Adam to win and Kris bores me to tears, but I do feel badly for Kris that his win basically will forever have an invisible asterisk next to it.)

I'm grateful that Lambert was able to use this opportunity to propel his career in the direction he wants (as I am for ANY of the contestants, save a select number who need to crawl back under their rocks), but the show has clearly become less important as a singing competition and more about the process and how people feed into that process. IOW -- it's no longer about the singer, it's about us, which is a perfect fit for our self-absorbed society.

 

[Robinrs]

And I'd start with the voting system which is tarnishing a wonderful guy's win. (I wanted Adam to win and Kris bores me to tears, but I do feel badly for Kris that his win basically will forever have an invisible asterisk next to it.)

Don't forget the LARGE invisible asterisk that Taylor and Ruben carry around with them DAILY. Chris Daughtry and Clay Aiken will always be the ONE THAT SHOULD'VE WON and they will probably go to their graves hearing it and feeling it.

Did they do anything to deserve that invisible asterisk? NO, neither did Kris. None of the contestants have that power. But they have to live with it.

 

[DisneyDukeGirl]

This whole unfair voting uproar is annoying as all get out! I like Adam and Kris and I think it does a disservice to both to continue this ridiculous argument. Arkansas did not cast 38 million votes. That has been debunked. Kris' fanbase was not the only one that knew how to text and send out 10 at a time and use "go phones". Adam and Danny fansites promoted the exact same things! How is it wrong now just because Kris won?

Adam was definitely a "love him or hate him" contestant. That never bodes well in a voting setting. Think about politicians--the polarizing candidate rarely wins an election. Kris appealed to more people even if he didn't attract the rabid fanbase that some people on here are looking for. He is selling well on Itunes-just like Adam.

Every year the contestant with the most votes wins and every year there are complaints. There can only be one winner and every viewer is not going to be happy with the results. Unfortunately this year the judges' favorite and media darling didn't win so it's now being brought up about the multiple voting and texts?

 

[irishbosoxfan]

The only place Adam touched himself during AI was down the side of his abdomen. The Bible Belt would have had a meltdown if it was anything more risque.
I can never figure out why American viewers are OK with seeing tons of gruesome murders, serial killing, rape, torture etc. on 100s of evening TV shows, yet they freak when any nudity or sexually sugestive behaviour is shown. I'd rather see Adam's video on repeat loop than seeing people get shot, thrown off a buildings, carved up, poisoned, etc.



Priceless!

I know that I watch shows that are graphic--however I watch them when my kids are in bed. I don't allow them to watch stuff that I think would be inappropriate so when I turn on the tv to a family show that we can all enjoy together I don't expect to see things that I'd watch at a later time----That's where the uproar comes from.

I don't want to have to worry about "wardrobe malfunctions" and such when my 7 year old is sitting right there.

And if Adams abdomen is for some reason about 6 inches lower than every one elses then I'm remembering it correctly--I even posted a comment about it in the previous Idol thread

Adam's line very funny. Pastor's statement...there isn't a big enough eye rolling smilie here to convey how I feel.



I would have remembered that if it was remotely close to what was in the clip. At first I thought he was in pain because the zipper was rubbing or the pants were way too tight, then I wanted to say "don't worry, it's still there"

The pastors statement is asinine. It's because of people with that mentality that gay people can't get the rights they deserve.

Yeah it wasn't what was in the clip,there would've been lots of screaming if it was,it was more of a rub over. I tried hunting youtube for his clips but couldn't find any.

As for the bolded it reminded me of when my baby brother was younger and he was always digging around in his diaper/training pants and my mom would tell him "Leave it alone,it'll grow"

 

[Tatania]

So I just read that Kris Allen will be at Disney on Friday. So my mom says today that if I thought Steve was crazy, I should imagine how she would be if Adam was there while we were there. She said that she would do whatever she had to to meet him and would be the first one in line. She would even camp out and miss a day at the parks if she had to. And I'd probably be right there with her!

Your Mom sounds like a lot of fun. I think Adam has lots of "mature gals" in his fanbase because he reminds us of all the fun rock used to be with theatrical performers like Bowie, Michael Jackson, Queen, etc.

STILL waiting for the Kris Love... if it came one inch as close as the Adam dislike he'll be a SUPERSTAR!!

I like Kris as well - though am not tuning in to hear his interviews.

It really wasn't hard to figure out who was going to win with only a million separating them between Adam and Kris on top 3. That vote count was 88 million and you knew Danny had to at the very least get a 1/4 of the votes that week. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Kris had the advantage. There were not going to be many fans of Danny's soulful singing that all of a sudden decided they liked Adam's style. Kris had it won after Danny got kicked out. Even Adam knew that. Now I would really like to know the breakdown of the votes. I really do suspect it was a bit of a landslide and the show does not want to publicize how far off the judges were. Because if it was close why would they not give the guys that information. I do know that on the east coast I could not vote for Kris more than 20 times in 2.5 hours. After that I got through each time. Don't know what happened out there in California except to assume that they just weren't interested.

I actually think this is the reason Kris won in a landslide and Adam (& his family) have mentioned this several times. I think Kris won fair and square and since Adam is not in the least bitter or affected by it, I wish his fans would let it go as well. The problem with the multiple voting argument is that it prevents so many people from getting through and actually casting a vote. In 4 hours I managed to get through maybe 50 times and I was on the West Coast. Adam fans has loads of problems getting through. We kept getting dead air, or no message, or a busy signal. There's got to be a better way than forcing that kind of frustration and time waste on fans .

However, let's not take anything away from Kris. His sales are doing extremely well and that speaks louder than any votes. From today's reports:

Kris Allen and Adam Lambert have nine combined tracks on this week’s Billboard Hot 100. Week Ending 05/24/09:

Digital Downloads
4 Kris Allen “No Boundaries” 134,458 (NEW) Total: 134,458
5 Kris Allen “Heartless” 125,344 (NEW) Total: 125,344
7 Adam Lambert “Mad World: 114,763 (NEW) Total: 114,763
10 David Cook “Permanent” 102,595 (22310%; lw 308) Total: 126,905 (OFF)
17 Kris Allen “Ain’t No Sunshine” 72,080 (NEW) Total:72,080
30 Kelly Clarkson “I Do Not Hook Up” 50,633 (-9%; lw 55,729) Total: 285,499 (24)
32 Adam Lambert “Change is Gonna Come” 48,068 (NEW) Total: 48,068
38 Kris Allen “Apologize” 40,173 (NEW) Total:40,173
43 Adam Lambert “No Boundaries” 35,984 (NEW) Total:35,984
46 Daughtry “No Surprise” 33,684 (-51%; lw 68,774) Total: 206,051 (14)
49 Carrie Underwood “Home Sweet Home” 32,812 (184%; lw 11,571) Total: 287,846 (116)
57 Adam Lambert “One” 30,851 (NEW) Total: 30.851
72 Kris Allen “Falling Slowly” 27,087 (NEW) Total: 27,087
75 Adam Lambert “Cryin’” 24,580 (NEW) Total:24,580
84 Allison Iraheta/Adam Lambert “Slow Ride” 21,742 (NEW) Total: 21,742
87 Kris Allen “What’s Going On” 21,060 (NEW) Total: 21,060
90 David Cook “Come Back To Me” 19,188 (65%; lw 11,607) Total: 147,449 (115)
94 Kris Allen “To Make You Feel My Love” 18,525 (NEW) Total:18,525
102 Adam Lambert “The Tracks of My Tears” 17,130 (NEW) Total:17,130
107 Adam Lambert “Feeling Good” 16,178 (NEW) Total: 16,178
110 Danny Gokey “You Are So Beautiful” 15,297 (NEW) Total: 15,297
112 Adam Lambert “Ring of Fire” 14,970 (NEW) Total: 14,970
113 Adam Lambert “Whole Lotta Love” 14,454 (NEW) Total: 14,454
141 Adam Lambert “Black or White” 11,261 (NEW) Total: 11,261
145 Adam Lambert “If I Can’t Have You” 11,151 (NEW) Total: 11,151
147 Kris Allen “The Way You Look Tonight” 10,884 (NEW) Total: 10,884
148 Kris Allen/Danny Gokey “Renegade” 10,826 (NEW) Total: 10,826
155 Adam Lambert “Born to Be Wild” 10,450 (NEW) Total: 10,450
172 Kris Allen “Come Together” 9,839 (NEW) Total: 9,839
174 Danny Gokey “What Hurts the Most” 9,680 (NEW) Total: 9,680
176 David Cook “Light On” 9,509 (48%; lw 6,423) Total: 934,469
186 Adam Lambert “Play That Funky Music” 9,072 (NEW) Total: 9,072
190 Allison Iraheta “Cry Baby” 8,666 (NEW) Total: 8,666
191 Kris Allen “She Works Hard for the Money” 8,651 (NEW) Total: 8,651

Total Sold by Season 8 (out of the Top 200 - Duets not included):
Kris Allen: 468,101 (10 Songs) Top 100: 438,727 (7 songs)
Adam Lambert: 358,912 (13 songs) Top 100: 254,246 (5 songs)
Danny Gokey: 24,977 (2 songs)
Allison Iraheta: 8,666 (1 Songs)


Album Numbers
29 David Cook “David Cook” 16,719 (111%; lw 7,926) Total: 1,150,578
33 Adam Lambert “Season 8 Favorite Performances” 15,720 (NEW) 15,720
36 Ruben Studdard “Love Is” 15,213 (NEW; lw 33) Total: 15,246
40 Kelly Clarkson “All I Ever Wanted” 13,273 (-24%; lw 17,509) Total: 581,018
44 Carrie Underwood “Carnival Ride” 12,033 (-5%; lw 12,604) Total: 2,864,087
50 Kris Allen “Season 8 Favorite Performances” 10,217 (NEW) 10,217
89 Daughtry “Daughtry” 5,886 (-19%; lw 7,226) Total: 4,450,098
90 PICKLER*KELLIE KELLIE PICKLER 5,870 26 4,653 221,898
133 Elliott Yamin “Fight for Love” 3,930 (-40%; lw 6,514) Total: 30,472
134 Jennifer Hudson “Jennifer Hudson” 3,921% (-20%; lw 4,919) Total: 735,133
193 David Archuleta “David Archuleta” 2,826 (-10%; lw 3,150) Total: 704,912

Top 50 download numbers leaked from Nielsen Soundscan:

4 Kris Allen, NO BOUNDARIES - (tw)134,458 (Total)134,458
5 Kris Allen, HEARTLESS (tw)125,344 (Total)125,344
7 Adam Lambert, MAD WORLD -(tw)114,763 (Total)114,763
10 David Cook, PERMANENT -(tw)102,595 (Total)126,905
17 Kris Allen AIN’T NO SUNSHINE - (tw)72080 (Total)72,080
30 Kelly Clarkson I DO NOT HOOK UP - (tw)50633 (Total)285,499
32 Adam Lambert, CHANGE IS GONNA COME - (tw)48068 (Total)48,068
38 Kris Allen APOLOGIZE (AMERICAN IDOL STUDIO) - (tw)40173 (Total)40,173
43 Adam Lambert, NO BOUNDARIES - (tw)35984 (Total)35,984
46 Daughtry, NO SURPRISE - (tw)33684 (Total)206,051



Stats from last year by comparison:
David Cook: 942,000 (60% of S7 downloads, 15.7% of all US downloads).
David Archuletta: 323,000 (21.5% of S7 downloads, 5.4% of all US downloads)
Jason Castro with 64,000
Brooke White with 47,000
Michael Johns with 40,000
Carly Smithson with 33,000
Syesha Mercado with 18,000
Kristi Lee Cook with 10,000
Chikezie with 5,000

 

[TwinsinCA]

The problem with the multiple voting argument is that it prevents so many people from getting through and actually casting a vote. In 4 hours I managed to get through maybe 50 times and I was on the West Coast. Adam fans has loads of problems getting through. We kept getting dead air, or no message, or a busy signal. There's got to be a better than forcing that kind oof frustration on fans.

Didn't you say you lived in Canada? I thought you weren't allowed to vote at all.

I tried voting for Adam once just to see if his lines were busy. I got through and never tried again. I only had trouble getting through for Kris the first 20-30 minutes. After that the majority of the calls went through.

It would be interesting to see what the vote totals would be if they had enough lines to have no busy signals at all.

 

[damo]

Remember that those numbers are just from last week and don't include anything sold before that. Winning is important. At least in the short term.

Didn't you say you lived in Canada? I thought you weren't allowed to vote at all.

I tried voting for Adam once just to see if his lines were busy. I got through and never tried again. I only had trouble getting through for Kris the first 20-30 minutes. After that the majority of the calls went through.

It would be interesting to see what the vote totals would be if they had enough lines to have no busy signals at all.

I think that a lot of people don't even vote because they figure there is no point when some people are voting 1000 times. If everyone was allowed only a certain number, it would probably encourage others to actually vote.

 

[mandy200587]

I'm honestly sick of the whole voting drama. What's done is done and we can't go back in time and change it. Both of the guys are talented in their own ways, if 19e didn't think they were talented they wouldn't be giving the top 4 record deals. Each of them appeals to a different type of musical taste. You can't really tell who will do good and who won't in the industry anymore. It's changing to much to fast. Adam and Kris are going to do their own things, remain friends and appeal to their own fan base.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

i'm honestly sick of the whole voting drama. What's done is done and we can't go back in time and change it. Both of the guys are talented in their own ways, if 19e didn't think they were talented they wouldn't be giving the top 4 record deals. Each of them appeals to a different type of musical taste. You can't really tell who will do good and who won't in the industry anymore. It's changing to much to fast. Adam and kris are going to do their own things, remain friends and appeal to their own fan base.

amen

 

[TwinsinCA]

I think that a lot of people don't even vote because they figure there is no point when some people are voting 1000 times. If everyone was allowed only a certain number, it would probably encourage others to actually vote.

I don't think it matters how many votes are allowed. Some people are apathetic either way. How many people do you know who don't vote in actual elections that really matter and only allow one vote because they think their one vote really doesn't matter.

It all comes down to the size and determination of the fan base. I am sure there is plenty of "power voting" on both sides.