Am I the only one who knows nothing about The Divinci code?

Originally Posted by DisneyGerry
I havent seen or read one good thing about this movie/ book from any respectable Bible-fearing Christian. I do think EWTN is an important voice for Catholics as well as all Christians.

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So in your opinion - am I not respectable or am I not Bible-Fearing? Both???

and I absolutely agree with you on one point. If you want to learn about Jesus, the Fictional Book The Da Vinci code is not a good starting point. This is not the place to go for a good Christian Education.

However, that doesn't mean that the book isn't a good enjoyable read. I watched the Wizard of Oz too, doesn't mean I wholeheartedly believe that the Wicked Witch of the West really did try to destroy the Munchkins.
 
I read an article in the New York Times today that reported on how conservative Christians are planning to respond to The Da Vinci Code film. The individuals quoted represented organizations like The Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, and Opus Dei. They described the film as blasphemous and anti-Christian. For those of you who wish to read the article, it can be found at http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/11/us/11davinci.html?ex=1147579200&en=abf9f970b9459d6b&ei=5087

Like it or not, Jesus Christ is a central figure in western civilization and Christians should not expect to have the final and complete say on his life and cultural significance. While Dan Brown's novel is fiction, there has been serious scholarly research on the possibility that Jesus married and, yes, even had a sex life. Frankly I believe that a married and sexually active Jesus is much more plausible than the myth of resurrection.

As for those people who do not care for how the Catholic Church is portrayed, the Vatican is one of the most political institutions in world history. It served as a center of theological, military, diplomatic, and economic power for centuries and has an enourmous reserve of secret archives that are off-limits to researchers. Even today, it hosts many ambassadors and is the only church that receives official diplomatic recognition from the United States government.
 
LukenDC said:
and is the only church that receives official diplomatic recognition from the United States government.

Just to clarify, Vatican City is a country and it is that country which has diplomatic recognition, not the church. Though it might seem like the same thing, it isn't.
 
DisneyGerry said:
A lot of stuff we do is Very Entertaining but that doesnt make it right.

I havent seen or read one good thing about this movie/ book from any respectable Bible-fearing Christian. I do think EWTN is an important voice for Catholics as well as all Christians.


EWTN? That's that channel where you can see a Mother Superior hawking tacky Jesus merchadise for money, right? They were already pushing a DVD of Pope John Paul II's funeral- the DAY AFTER he was buried. He wasn't even cold yet. They wasted no time, did they? :sad2:

Where in the bible does Jesus say, "Thou shalt sell merchadise in my name." ??
 

Dare I say that our church is renting a theater to view the movie together and then have an intellectual conversation about it? We must not be "Bible fearing Christians" ROFL!

I read the book a few years ago; I didn't think it was the best written book ever but it was a page turner. Obviously a work of fiction but also a conversation starter =) Didn't come close to shaking my faith as I already know what I believe and am not easily convinced of anything else by way of a work of fiction.

I'm interested to see how close the movie comes to the book =)
 
I have no idea what the book or movie is about and no desire to know.
 
The hierarchy and the Opus Dei like Catholics are dead against the book and movie as a dangerous threat, and think it should be boycotted, or worse (Cardinal Arinze thinks the Church should sue Dan Brown).

Judging by the numbers of book sales, it does not appear that the laity is as alarmed (I can't belive that all those millions of books sold are only to Protestants). I suspect that the single largest factor in determining how many Catholics will see the movie will be it's entertainment value. I don't think that many of those in the pews see the story as a theological statement, just as entertainment. I think the strident protests from the Hierarchy give unintended support to the storyline that the Vatican seeks to suppress uncomfortable truths
 
Aimeedyan said:
Dare I say that our church is renting a theater to view the movie together and then have an intellectual conversation about it? We must not be "Bible fearing Christians" ROFL!

I read the book a few years ago; I didn't think it was the best written book ever but it was a page turner. Obviously a work of fiction but also a conversation starter =) Didn't come close to shaking my faith as I already know what I believe and am not easily convinced of anything else by way of a work of fiction.

I'm interested to see how close the movie comes to the book =)


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Cool! Just curious- what denomination?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code

The Da Vinci Code is a mystery novel by American author Dan Brown, published in 2003 by Doubleday Fiction. It is a worldwide bestseller with sales of more than 40 million copies (as of March 2006) and has been translated into 44 languages. Combining the detective, thriller and conspiracy theory genres, the book is part two of a trilogy that started with Brown's 2000 novel Angels and Demons, which introduced the character Robert Langdon. In November 2004, Random House published a "Special Illustrated Edition", with 160 illustrations interspersed with the text.

The plot of the novel involves a conspiracy by the Catholic Church to cover up the "true" story of Jesus. The Vatican knows it is living a lie but does so to keep itself in power. The novel has helped generate popular interest in speculation concerning the Holy Grail legend and the role of Mary Magdalene in the history of Christianity. Fans have lauded the book as creative, action-packed and thought-provoking. Critics have attacked it as inaccurate, sacrilegious and decry the many negative implications about the Catholic Church and Opus Dei.

Dan Brown's novel was a smash hit in 2003, even rivaling the sales of the highly popular Harry Potter series. It spawned a number of offspring books and drew glowing reviews from the New York Times, the People Magazine and Washington Post [1]. The novel has also inspired several tour groups like Da Vinci Code tours, and companies like Ravenchase Adventures to create Da Vinci code like races and adventures using codes, ciphers, actors and gadgets. It also re-ignited interest in the history of the Catholic Church. As well as re-invigorating interest in the church, The Da Vinci Code has also spawned numerous "knockoffs" (as they are referred to by Publishers Weekly) [2], or novels that have a striking resemblance to The Da Vinci Code, including Raymond Khoury's The Last Templar, and The Templar Legacy by Steve Berry.

Sony's Columbia Pictures has adapted the novel to film, with a screenplay written by Akiva Goldsman, and Academy Award winner Ron Howard directing. The film is set for release on May 19, 2006, and will star Tom Hanks as Robert Langdon, Audrey Tautou as Sophie Neveu, and Sir Ian McKellen as Leigh Teabing.
 
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ZDAVINCI.HTM

Debunking The Da Vinci Code

Leonardo's Real Intention

By Elizabeth Lev

ROME, 12 FEB. 2004 (ZENIT).

Truth be told, Leonardo da Vinci is not one of the 10 historical figures I would most like to invite to dinner. Perhaps the historical rivalry between Leonardo and Michelangelo was so fierce that one starts to take sides. Nonetheless, after 46 weeks of "The Da Vinci Code" ensconced at the top of the best-seller lists, I felt obliged to come to the defense of his work.

A little background for the remnant still unsullied by the reading of this book: Author Dan Brown makes the incredible claim that the individual seated at the right hand of Jesus in da Vinci's "Last Supper" is not, as commonly understood, the Apostle John, but rather ... Mary Magdalene, who would be Jesus' wife.

Although the work presents itself as fiction, it is written in such a way as to cause doubt. I have heard countless Rome visitors make comments like the following: "I know it is fiction, of course, but it brings up some interesting questions ..."

The acute nature of the problem set in when my American students, instead of asking where the outlet stores in Florence were, began inquiring where they could see "The Last Supper." Then one day in the classroom, the bomb was dropped: "Professor Lev, isn't that Mary Magdalene sitting next to Jesus?"

Now, there is a positive side to all this. The students are taking an interest in Leonardo and many are learning the names of the apostles for the first time. Unfortunately, the author stimulating these first impressions has no idea what he is talking about. The major religious and historical gaffes aside, a word must be said about Leonardo's "Last Supper."

Amid Leonardo's copious writings, very little reveals his personal thoughts and feelings. Artists generally do not look to be remembered through their diaries, notebooks or doodling pads. One thing for sure, nothing in Leonardo's writings suggests that the person next to Jesus is anyone other than John.

Brown capitalizes on Leonardo's soft-featured, beardless depiction of John to offer his fantastic claim that we are dealing with a woman. Of course, if St. John were really Mary Magdalene, we may well ask which of the apostles excused himself at the critical moment.

But the real problem stems from our lack of familiarity with "types." In his Treatise on Painting, Leonardo explains that each figure should be painted according to his station and age. A wise man has certain characteristics, an old woman others, and children others still.

A classic type, common to many Renaissance paintings, is the "student." A favored follower, a protégé or disciple, is always portrayed as very youthful, long-haired and clean-shaven; the idea being that he has not yet matured to the point where he must find his own way.

Throughout the Renaissance, artists portray St. John in this fashion. He is the "disciple Jesus loved" — the only one who will be at the foot of the cross. He is the ideal student. To the Renaissance artist the only way to show St. John was as a beardless youth, with none of the hard, determined physiognomy of men. The "Last Supper" of Ghirlandaio and Andrea del Castagno show a similarly soft, young John.

Leonardo's innovation lies not in his depiction of John, but rather in the dynamism of his composition. Unlike his predecessors who showed a group of men talking around a table, Leonardo selects the most dramatic moment of the meal. Jesus has just made the announcement, "One of you will betray me." The composition accordingly registers the shockwave that emanates from this statement.

Instead of the typical 11 apostles on the far side of the table and Judas on the side closest the viewer, Leonardo places them all on the same side, so there is a ripple effect from the isolated Christ framed by a window out toward the apostles who are grouped into threes. The most important set comprises Peter, John and Judas. Impetuous Peter thrusts himself toward John, asking him to inquire of Jesus who the betrayer will be; in doing so, he pushes Judas outward toward the viewer.

The original image (it has been heavily repainted) had Judas' head turned directly toward John, whose serene countenance manifests the assurance of his own innocence. The low forehead, and dark, brutish features of the traitor Judas stand in sharp contrast to the luminous delicacy of John. The viewer is forced to think about where he or she stands (or sits) in this picture. Are we calm in certainty of fidelity, do we protest too much, or do we hide in the shadows?

Unfortunately, all these truly important questions are overshadowed by the silly speculations of Dan Brown.

One thing is clear, during the real Last Supper, Mary Magdalene was elsewhere.

* * *

Elizabeth Lev teaches art history at Duquesne University's Rome campus. She can be reached at lizlev@zenit.org. ZE04021222
 
Frankly I believe that a married and sexually active Jesus is much more plausible than the myth of resurrection.

Without the resurrection, Christianity is null & void. If Jesus is who He claimed to be, resurrection is easily believable.
 
wvjules said:
Seriously??? You allow a television channel to dictate how you live your life w/o question?


Back OT, I don't understand how people get so worked up over this book/movie. What part of FICTION are people not getting? :confused3 :rolleyes:

I said I was an avid watcher and believer

Trouble is when authors manipulate fact and fiction and there certainly a good share buying into all this
 
declansdad said:
So you are saying that all the christian that have posted in the numerous threads regarding this topic and stated that they like the book are not respectable????

Where do I say that?

I reiterate I dont recall one reputable Christian group who are saying go see this movie and not upset with the treatment of Jesus/ Christian depicted in this book/ movie. Regardless if fact or fiction it is an attack on Christians and I dont like it. Yes, so I wont waste my time reading the book or see the movie.
 
crcormier said:
Why should the church be against a work of fiction that claims to be fiction? There are no claims that this book is an historical account about Jesus.

Blurred line he uses between fact and fiction and people believe it.
 
LukenDC said:
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As for those people who do not care for how the Catholic Church is portrayed, the Vatican is one of the most political institutions in world history. It served as a center of theological, military, diplomatic, and economic power for centuries and has an enourmous reserve of secret archives that are off-limits to researchers. Even today, it hosts many ambassadors and is the only church that receives official diplomatic recognition from the United States government.

What does the Vatican as a political institution have to do with the attacks from the Da Vinci Code?
 
tiff211 said:
I know the movie is coming out next week and the book has been on the best seller list forever but I have no idea what it's about. My DB who is very religious emailed me and asked if I was going to see it. I told him I knew nothing about it. He said it is trying to discredit everything about Jesus and what Christians believe. :confused3

What's all the hype?

I read the book back in 2004! Love it and cannot wait to see the movie!
 
DisneyGerry said:
Blurred line he uses between fact and fiction and people believe it.

People are morons. It doesn't mean that we have to alter entertainment accordingly.
 












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